Storeytime 2013/14

Crunch time for Arsenal the next 4 games:
  • Arsenal​
    v​
    Everton​
    16:00​
WED 11 DEC 2013 - CHAMPIONS LEAGUE
  • Napoli​
    v​
    Arsenal​
    19:45​
SAT 14 DEC 2013 - PREMIER LEAGUE
  • Man City​
    v​
    Arsenal​
    12:45​
MON 23 DEC 2013 - PREMIER LEAGUE
  • Arsenal​
    v​
    Chelsea​
    20:00​
 
B20 said:
Crunch time for Arsenal the next 4 games:
  • ​

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    Arsenal

    v

    Everton



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    16:00
WED 11 DEC 2013 - CHAMPIONS LEAGUE

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    Napoli

    v

    Arsenal



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    19:45
SAT 14 DEC 2013 - PREMIER LEAGUE

  • ​

    ​
    Man City

    v

    Arsenal



    ​
    12:45
MON 23 DEC 2013 - PREMIER LEAGUE

  • ​

    ​
    Arsenal

    v

    Chelsea



    ​
    20:00
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It really isn't crunch time at all.

Firstly, we can actually lose 2-0 in Napoli and still qualify so we're actually allowed to lose a game.

We are six points ahead of Man City, and they need to go to Southampton at the weekend. It's possible for us to be eight clear of them before our game at Eastlands, which would put them in a very difficult tactical situation.

Obviously, it'd be nice to get 3/6 from Chelsea and City, but what I think will happen is that by New Year's Day, we'll see a breakaway of those three teams at the top, probably very close together.

Crunch time is our run in around March. Not a couple of tough matches in December.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I made my predictions at the start of the season (including Spurs to finish above United), so think about all that wasted time when you could have been "starting to feel more confident" for the last 3 months and more.
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I'll do that.

I'm ok with it.
 
If it was game over on Wednesday I'm not sure what it is now. Taking shape a bit more now as Arsenal start to fade away and Chelsea and City just start to pull ahead.

Chelsea -1
City -2
Arsenal -3
Liverpool -4
Spurs -8
United -13

12 Storeytime points off Chelsea. We need four wins at the big sides (Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton, Stoke for example), unless Chelsea start dropping home points. Same with City. We really do need to win every single home game, and go on some mental away run where we win most of them. December still looks like the most promising month. City, Chelsea and Arsenal will all drop points.
 
Updated:

Chelsea -1
Liverpool -1
City -2
Arsenal -3
Spurs -9
United -10

Interesting positions given that losses to both city and chelsea for us won't change the storeytime table. Think it does show who has had an easy run of fixtures to flatter a bit (Arsenal) and especially how you have managed to balls up your fixture run.

Has anyone tried doing a comparison of how the storeytime table at the halfway point generally compares to the final table?

Also, it may be getting to the point where we should include Everton in the top group. Serie-A-in-the-90s style.
 
Actually it's:

Chelsea -1
Liverpool -1
City -2
Arsenal -3
Spurs -8
United -11

We should've drawn with Villa. A Chelsea win takes them three clear of Liverpool and four clear of City. Arsenal would be -6, nearly level with Spurs. An Arsenal win changes nothing, and a draw puts Arsenal on -5 and Chelsea on 0.

It's a strange table as anyone can see that City are the favourites and have been the side of the season so far, but the Premier League table differs (albeit only slightly) and the Storeytime is even more different.
 
ItsAmy4Ever147 said:
Actually it's:

Chelsea -1
Liverpool -1
City -2
Arsenal -3
Spurs -8
United -11

We should've drawn with Villa. A Chelsea win takes them three clear of Liverpool and four clear of City. Arsenal would be -6, nearly level with Spurs. An Arsenal win changes nothing, and a draw puts Arsenal on -5 and Chelsea on 0.

It's a strange table as anyone can see that City are the favourites and have been the side of the season so far, but the Premier League table differs (albeit only slightly) and the Storeytime is even more different.
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How are you getting that? Since dec 8:
Spurs - pool-loss (-3), soton-win (+2) - total: -1
utd - villa-win (+2), w.ham-win (0) - total: +2

Using your table from dec 8, it's

Chelsea -1
Liverpool -1
City -2
Arsenal -3
Spurs -9
United -11
 
ItsAmy4Ever147 said:
Chelsea -1​
Liverpool -1​
Arsenal -1​
City -2​
Spurs -11​
United -11​
So, despite a very good win at Hull we're still miles behind everyone, with most sides levelling out at the top.​
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Well that's depressing...

Just when things are starting to look salvageable in the real table, you have to show us that.

I think I'm avoiding this thread from now on.
 
Dominos said:
Well that's depressing...

Just when things are starting to look salvageable in the real table, you have to show us that.

I think I'm avoiding this thread from now on.
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Well one of the parts where Storeytime falls down is that we had a really tough game at Hull, which apparently we were supposed to get three points from. So when the likes of Chelsea/City go there, it'll go down as a Storeytime win for them, but in reality it should be much tougher where they could easily go to -4.
 
ItsAmy4Ever147 said:
Well one of the parts where Storeytime falls down is that we had a really tough game at Hull, which apparently we were supposed to get three points from. So when the likes of Chelsea/City go there, it'll go down as a Storeytime win for them, but in reality it should be much tougher where they could easily go to -4.
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That's because you're a bit crap not because a team wanting to win the league shouldn't win at Hull.
 
peterstorey said:
That's because you're a bit crap not because a team wanting to win the league shouldn't win at Hull.
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Thank feck Liverpool don't want to win the league then.

It's another failing of Storeytime; how teams' ranks would theoretically change throughout the season. Certain games like Cardiff and Hull away aren't gimmes, and are potential banana skins for when sides have to play them in March and April. Of course they could both have gone to shit by then and be walkovers. But it is a decent estimation of how well a side has done so far/given their fixtures.
 
I did it earlier in this thread, a comparison of results this season vs the corresponding fixtures last season:

Man City +8
Liverpool, Newcastle +7
Everton + 1 (for all the people fawning over Martinez and ignoring the kind of job Moyes used to do..)
Tottenham -1
Chelsea -2
Arsenal -3
Man Utd -16

(Southamptom fair play to them are currently doing best in this comparison at +11)

Poor showing from Moyes so far, though of course there is some element of regression to the mean, everybody could see last season that your squad wasn't 11 points better than every other squad in the league, Ferguson did an outrageous job last season.


18 games into last season?

Newcastle +13
Liverpool +11
Arsenal +9
Chelsea, Everton +4
Tottenham + 1
Man City -1
Man Utd -12

(Saints +11 here)

Again, don't think this kind of thing is too useful really, just interesting.

Newcastle benefiting from no Europe and half a season + a summer integration and settling in for all the players they bought last January?
 
Uniteds next two fixtures, Norwich away and Spurs at home, are ones they lost last year. Win them and the corresponding fixtures tables look a lot better. But United need to win all kinds of fixtures they dropped points in last season if they want top 4. Not easy.
 
I don't think you're playing very well at the moment at all but think you'll certainly be gaining points in the next 2 fixtures.

If the corresponding fixtures were to play out exactly the same for the rest of the season (obviously they wouldn't), the table would finish like this:

Man City 86
Chelsea 73
Man Utd 73
Tottenham 71
Arsenal 70
Liverpool 68
Everton 64
(Southampton 52)
(Newcastle 48)

Clearly the table won't end like this. But Man Utd need to start raising their game if they're going to guarantee top 4.
 
I think we need 70 points to be in the top 4. That's a massive challenge, as things stand. Hopefully we take it one game at a time
 
ItsAmy4Ever147 said:
Chelsea -1​
Liverpool -1​
Arsenal -1​
City -2​
Spurs -11​
United -11​
So, despite a very good win at Hull we're still miles behind everyone, with most sides levelling out at the top.​
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That table reflects how I feel the league has panned out so far. We've got a real challenge to force our way into that pack of 4 at the top.
 
MDFC Manager said:
I think we need 70 points to be in the top 4. That's a massive challenge, as things stand. Hopefully we take it one game at a time
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I have my doubts 70 will cut it this year.
 
Arsenal +1
Chelsea -1
Liverpool -1
City -2
Spurs -11
United -11
Strange one this weekend. We close the gap to two on Liverpool but still miles behind on Storeytime. Not to mention Norwich typically represents a tough fixture and it goes down as a very good one. As you were except Arsenal recording a good win at Newcastle.
 
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Looking at this it's a wonder that City are keeping pace in the storey table, though they have had 2/3 wins away against the middle 8.

Also explains why we're so far behind Liverpool.
 
Dominos said:
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Looking at this it's a wonder that City are keeping pace in the storey table, though they have had 2/3 wins away against the middle 8.

Also explains why we're so far behind Liverpool.
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How does it explain how you are so far behind Liverpool?
 
Also why Chelsea are doing so well; they've played most of the big sides away and come away relatively unscathed. Liverpool have to beat Everton, Chelsea, City, Spurs and Arsenal at home to stay on par in Storeytime and that just won't happen. City's Storeytime can only go up really, travelling to Spurs, United, Arsenal, Liverpool and Everton and get one point. Again, just won't happen. Arsenal's shows how they cannot win the league. Good in the Storeytime and that'll probably stay fairly similar but Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea and Everton is a struggle. At the moment I'd fancy no more than three points from those games. Good graphic though Dominos.
 
Updated:

Arsenal +3
City +2
Chelsea + 1

Liverpool -1

Spurs -6

United -14
 
City +5
Arsenal +3

Chelsea -1
Liverpool -1

Spurs -9

United -15

Arsenal (H) and Liverpool (A) play Palace and WBA respectively. On Monday Man City (H) play Chelsea.

Noteworthy that even though a win for us tomorrow would see us 9 points clear, the storeytime table would projects that as a 16 point gap considering fixtures played.
 
B20 said:
City +5
Arsenal +3

Chelsea -1
Liverpool -1

Spurs -9

United -15

Arsenal (H) and Liverpool (A) play Palace and WBA respectively. On Monday Man City (H) play Chelsea.

Noteworthy that even though a win for us tomorrow would see us 9 points clear, the storeytime table would projects that as a 16 point gap considering fixtures played.
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Yeah, we're done in terms of fighting for 4th.

More telling than all the tables you could construct is the quality of our football. You've been the better side by far this season, simply. I never saw that coming even with Moyes at the helm. It's astonishing.
 
Updated:

Arsenal +3
City +2
Chelsea +2

Liverpool -1

Spurs -9

United -15
 
Thisistheone said:
-15

If you don't :lol: you'll cry.

Edit: What about Everton?
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Think you'd need to rework the system to fit them in to make a 'top 7'.

In the current system though, Everton are -5.

Note though, that they have one less middle team to play against than the 'top 6' in this system, and one more 'top 6' team to play. Which means their target points total is 82 instead of 83. Adjusted to an 83 point target, they are -6. So odds on to finish 5th at this stage.
 
B20 said:
Think you'd need to rework the system to fit them in to make a 'top 7'.

In the current system though, Everton are -5.

Note though, that they have one less middle team to play against than the 'top 6' in this system, and one more 'top 6' team to play. Which means their target points total is 82 instead of 83. Adjusted to an 83 point target, they are -6. So odds on to finish 5th at this stage.
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Ok cheers. It's looking increasingly good for Liverpool.
 
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