You need aggressive athletes for high intensity football.
Athletes who can play.
We don't have them.
STOP looking for complicated problems
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You need aggressive athletes for high intensity football.
Athletes who can play.
We don't have them.
Im watching so called lesser teams with lesser level players play so much better than we do.
Absolutely we have some players to get rid of but we are a very poorly coached team
Absolutely we have some players to get rid of but we are a very poorly coached team
As you wish.
Why didn't he sign them, then?
Agree with you except with respect to Wan bissaka, who I think has improved a lot in his attacking play and even technique. However, I concede the general point- too many of the players simply aren’t good enough. Partly that’s down to what ETH inherited, but more than that, his recruitment has been poor and lacking in lucidity.
He should have. Big mistake not to. Recruitment is everything.
Work your way through tonights XI. If we sold them tomorrow where would they end up? How would their careers go over the next three years.
I won't go through them one by one, it's been said enough, but so many of them are mid table players. Or players past their best or too young etc etc.
Neither. But Pep managed to clear the players he needed to quickly and identify those he needed to bring in. Ten Hag cannot take all of the blame for that, or even the majority of it. But the bottom line is that we’re not talking about winning titles. We’re talking about controlling a game against a fecking Turkish team or actually creating a meaningful chance against Newcastle. Pep would do that with this squad.
No club in the world has the patience for that kind of rebuild. Even United who hang on to mangers well past their sell by.
Pep would have transformed United within 2 years. I have no doubt in my mind Guardiola would have made United the same dominant force as City. It took him one year at City and here I bet would have taken him no longer than 2 years to win the league.
Agree with the sentiment. There are a million and one smaller problems but the disjointed, nonsensical recruitment is what has cost us ultimately.
All the money spent and we are relying on the likes of Hojlund, Garnacho and Mainoo. They're kids. The properly run clubs with squads that make sense are in a position of strength, where they can give kids like that game time without piling pressure on them before they're ready. That used to be us under Ferguson. Now we're utterly reliant on them because our expensive signings are almost always not up to it.
All the money spent and we are relying on the likes of Hojlund, Garnacho and Mainoo. They're kids. The properly run clubs with squads that make sense are in a position of strength, where they can give kids like that game time without piling pressure on them before they're ready. That used to be us under Ferguson. Now we're utterly reliant on them because our expensive signings are almost always not up to it.
Let's assume you're right and our squad is not good enough to win the title. Who entered this club asking for complete control of transfers and spent 400 million in two transfer windows that results in the mess we have now?
Not going to lie, ETH has to take the blame for these performances. Game after game we lack control in the midfield...every game is a ping pong match. That can not be the blame of the players...the blame goes to the coach for his instructions. Its actually more obvious when you consider that no matter which midfield we select, we always lack control...whether mctominay or casemiro,its the same theme. What instructions does ETH give these players every week. Its like the previous week didnt even happen
Are they? Because we took out de Gea and got the profile of keeper we wanted, who got to a champions league final. Now shit. We have several England internationals who have got to deep stages of tournaments and had great spells for us. Now shit. We have five times champions league winners who are now shit. We have several of ten hags expensive signings. Shit.
I will absolutely allow for the full backs and Martial, however we’ve looked just as shit with Hojlund up top mostly. We’ve been banging on about individual quality for years and things never change. We were shit with Di Maria and Ibra or Cavani and Pogba.
This team is squeaking past clubs with far less quality and that is just proving the point. There is no chance Copenhagen or Palace have a better man for man team. Defeats will absolutely happen against these teams from time to time, but it’s a pattern now.
TH is causing the problems by picking favourites over other players. Rashford has been awful all season. Antony McTom isnt good enough. He drops our best CH and brings in a DM then hardly picks him. Tries to sell Maguire, now picks him and been lucky he is playing to a good standard. He somehow thinks we have a plan on the pitch and he wants to stick to it, although the football played is a pile of shit. Its no difference to Oles final season, or Ragnick. At least Ragnick was right when he said Utd needed open heart surgery.
Because we keep signing the wrong individuals. Look at their careers post United for the one's who have left. What have they done?
Or as I say, ask where would these players end up if sold today. Would Martial even get a Premier League move? The fullbacks, Maguire, Lindelof, McTominay, Antony, they're nothing more than mid table players. That's a big part of our squad.
Likewise no top four team would now come in for Varane, they all know he's done. Equally no top 4 team wants a 20 year old striker with little goal scoring record.
Rashford crap under Rangnick, as he was for Ole's last 10 month.
I could go on with other players but you're falling for names and status. Look what they're actually doing on the pitch.
Ok, I won't
We didn't have WC manager, or at least level below, since Ferguson.
There is nothing complicated.
There is nothing complicated.
Ten Hag did, but id still argue that martinez, onana, hojlund, antony (yes antony) and mount can all be part of success and are all better players technically and work rate wise than the ones ive mentioned as examples of problems.
Who do you want in your line up, Onana, Martinez, Mount, Antony, Hojlund - or De Gea, Lindelof, McTominay, Sancho, Martial. These are upgrades, we just need many many more of them
For us…this is the whole point I was making. Yes no top clubs would sign these players now after they’ve been playing badly for us, but it certainly wasn’t the case when we signed them.
Again, we’re not talking top four, we’re talking about being able to comfortably beat Turkish teams (by the way guess where Fred went) or Luton (guess where two of our unwanted youth players are).
I’m far more worried about our regression against poor teams than I am the top six, as it shows that it’s simply not about individual quality.
Our squad is top tier. We just have injuries and confidence problems. Stop ignoring these main issues. Nothing to do with the manager or the players.
I don’t think we have the structure to allow for that. We’d still have Mangala and Bravo in the team.
Funny as he has been playing Scott McTominay ahead of Mount for a long time now.
Onana isn't an improvement over De Gea no matter what.
Nah we have ton of money to spend. Guardiola would have just spent it better and would have been more ruthless in selling bad ones. United give too many chances to failed transfers till they lose their value and we become unable to sell them. Martial should have been sold years ago but United kept giving him chances after chances till he's going to leave on free now. This would never happen under Guardiola.
No Mount has missed 9 games this season through injury and not had any chance to build up some form. He's obviously going to start ahead of mctominay when fully fit and consistent. remains to be seen if he's a success or not though.
Wasn’t it one of the Glazers that gave Martial the new contract? It’s not so easy to move players on when they’re on inflated wages and we’re still paying off the fee. Ten Hag has frozen out Sancho and it’s killing us financially. I can’t believe this is even a debate.
That's just your wishful thinking though. Scott had started with Mount on the bench several times instead of Ten Hag trying to, say, play Mount into fitness. These are facts that actually happened
No, youre simplifying again. I genuinely think its best if you just put me on mute, I generally dont enjoy engaging with you. It's all a bit black and white for me.
It's easier to sell them when they still have value in the market. If you keep them until everyone realize they are shit players with no hope in them and on top of them are on big salary, good luck trying to sell them. Man United is just not ruthless enough.
Why would I put you on the ignore? If you don't want to see my posts, put me on yours.
You quote me and engage with me, i dont do the same. Its your call.
We have never been able to adapt to modern football. By "modern", I mean the era from around the end of Fergie's time to today. In the last couple of years of Fergie's tenure we won games through sheer habit, not because we were up to speed with, or pioneers of, any such tactical or stylistic innovations.
Look at this evening's match. Even just watching the first half, you knew we were never winning that game. Nor coming away with a draw most likely. Newcastle aren't a particularly good side but they have the fundamentals in place. They play with a level of intensity and to a man, have a basic standard of work rate that should be the absolute minimum you would expect. Yet it isn't the absolute minimum where Manchester United are concerned because we simply cannot compete with it. In fact, no United manager since Ferguson has been able to instill these very basic fundamentals into the side.
Look at this evening's match. Even just watching the first half, you knew we were never winning that game. Nor coming away with a draw most likely. Newcastle aren't a particularly good side but they have the fundamentals in place. They play with a level of intensity and to a man, have a basic standard of work rate that should be the absolute minimum you would expect. Yet it isn't the absolute minimum where Manchester United are concerned because we simply cannot compete with it. In fact, no United manager since Ferguson has been able to instill these very basic fundamentals into the side.
Are you for real?
I'm not the one annoyed with your posts. If you are annoyed with mine, put me on your ignore list. Easy.Can we stop with this shit? It's because the bench was littered with his signings that he, himself, decided to drop, because they have no place at this level at all.
Are you for real?
Im not annoyed, I simply ignore you and dont quote you or try to engage you in a back and forth. You do however, and they often go the same tedious way. I'm asking politely, there are plenty of posters here that youll get more useful conversation with. I dont see the point in us going back and forth and dont enjoy it.
Hojlund and Antony are both returning to fitness and both started in turkey. Reguilon and Amrabat are both loan signings, who we all pretty much expect to start every game on the bench. Amrabat also started on wednesday in turkey and we have another game on wednesday, after 3 away games in 6 days. None of them, were 'dropped.'
You are free to ignore my posts and don't reply on me whenever I quote you but I'm not obliged to ignore your posts. When I don't like to engage with someone I just put them on the ignore list and forget they exist, I don't go to them and ask them to ignore me. Weird.
The only reason Amrabat is a loan signing is because we didn't have enough money to sign him permanently. Also a 10M loan fee should tell you everything. Also, Mctominay is clearly prefered ahead of him right now.
Antony sat on the bench in multiple matches recently, while being fully fit, which was unthinkable last season. I'd classify him as dropped.
Fair enough on Reguilon, he was just an emergency last-minute signing so no expectations on him. And I agree that under different circumstances Hojlund would have started, but his minutes are managed.
Mount hardly played much before the injury, mostly watched the games from the stands, but what was the point of him anyway.
His transfers are obviously shocking and will ultimately get him sacked, but that's not the point of the initial post. The question was, what was EtH supposed to do when his players weren't starting the game today. And the answer is, if after more than 400M spent and 18 months on the training pitch with this group you are starting the game with 1 of your signings, then that's mostly on you. And let's just ignore the fact that Newcastle had a full XI missing today.
I don't think he's good though, very clumsy.
I think their squad is better on paper, I'm not sure what you are talking about.