I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on Liverpool's history but wouldn't you think some of the players who have led the club to glory over the years (Gerrard has done in a cup or two and now a league) but I'm talking about sustained success are more important. You wouldn't be the club you are today without that history.
Steven Gerrard
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Sounds like you're describing John Terry
An absolute winner? He's not won all that much for an "absolute winner". I can understand why an Arsenal fan would look upon him as such, though. (lol)
Wouldn't you describe pre-1993/4 Bryan Robson as a winner? Because Gerrard is pretty much the scouse equivalent, in addition to being a local lad. I still hope for an unlikely Liverpool collapse, but if they do win it I can't understand why anyone would begrudge Gerrard a league-winning medal. A true winner, a class player who has always been full of respect for our club and players.
I think Gerrard has been world class since the Villa game. His form since then has been some of the best in his career. I think he's the reason for our title push. I don't think it's coincidence that since his form has hit a world class level we've gone on as a team and remained unbeaten. While people will focus on Suarez and Sturridge as both of them grab the goals (and are also undoubtedly top class), Gerrard for me is the catalyst behind our title push. When you read back through some of the things being said in this thread it really is incredible how he has changed his game. People were hoping he'd play in CM for many more years. Well I do too.90% pass accuracy, 4 interceptions, won every tackle he attempted and an assist vs the best team in the country. The man is incredible.
He's the the most important player we've ever had.
Now that's rewriting history, but I recall the excitement of the early 1990's. All is forgiven.
It pains me to say but if Liverpool do win the league this season, then will there ever be a more deserving 1st time winner than Gerrard?
I hated watching him after the City game yesterday. My first thought was 'what a pathetic cnut' but what would i give to have someone with that passion in our team right now!
Credit where credits due.
I hated watching him after the City game yesterday. My first thought was 'what a pathetic cnut' but what would i give to have someone with that passion in our team right now!
Credit where credits due.
He has?
Good point. I stand corrected. Would Gerrard have been the best player not to have a Premiership medal though? i struggle to think of anyone else.
Oh this place is getting sicker and sicker.
Good footballer, yeah, but the most hyporcricital, scummy, twat of a man ever to play in the Premier League. How any non-Liverpool fan can make themselves wriute a good word about him is beyond me. I hope with a passion he retires without ever winning the Premier League, and it eats away at him for the rest of his days.
Good footballer, yeah, but the most hyporcricital, scummy, twat of a man ever to play in the Premier League. How any non-Liverpool fan can make themselves wriute a good word about him is beyond me. I hope with a passion he retires without ever winning the Premier League, and it eats away at him for the rest of his days.
Gascoigne and Le Tiss immediately spring to mind. Bound to more if you go a bit further back (NB top flight English football did not start with the formation of the PL)
Co-sign.
The love-in for Gerrard and Liverpool at the moment is beyond sickening. Saw the title and couldn't get past that. If someone wants to read it and tell me how useless it is in a couple of words then that would be great.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...Liverpool-win-title-Mersey-Beat-Dom-King.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...Liverpool-win-title-Mersey-Beat-Dom-King.html
OK, I gritted my teeth and dived in, just for you. Here's the highlights:
- It's between Gerrard, Henry, Shearer and Giggs.
- Giggs is in there because... "He is now 40 but remains Manchester United’s best player."
- Ronaldo, Scholes and Keane (Yes, Roy Keane) all mentioned only in passing towards the end.
Thank you. That is journalism at its finest eh: Very controversial and enticing title which leads to no substantial evidence or analysis. I do despise the media
Aye. It's getting ridiculous at this stage. Some of the stuff I have read on here has been beyond belief. I don't see this obsession with giving them and their players all this credit. Is this another moral victory for our fans that think praising Stephen fecking Gerrard makes them better fans.
But he likes Phil Collins.
Finney, Matthews, Lofthouse, Moore, Banks and so on. There isn't a shortage of great English players who never got their hands on the trophy.
I think you must give credit where credits due.
Seeing Liverpool where they are in the league absolutley cuts me to ribbons inside and i would love nothing more than seeing them mess things up now - I really dont want them to win it. Id rather my missus tell me she has been having an affair for the last 2 years. BUT take away the rivalry and ill feeling, Liverpool have played the best football ALL season, they have done it by spending their own money unlike Chelsea and City and so far they have shown the most desire to win the league.
I probably hate Gerrard more than anyone, but he is a great player who, when you look at his career as a player, probably deserves a winners medal. As much as it pains me to say.
The media wankfest makes me want to gauge my eyes. Yeah Gerrard is leading Liverpool to a title and not Suarez who is currently having what is probably the greatest ever single premier league season. Not shocked that the media focus on his attention whoring at the final whistle rather than him being a huge liability after given the runabout by Silva who he couldn't handle.
I don't really disagree with any of that. Some of the gushing on here towards them has been a tad OTT at times. They have played good football despite the massive inadequacies in their defensive department. I can acknowledge that Rodgers has achieved nothing short of a miracle with the squad that he has to work with but I still don't feel any urge to gush about them.
If they - I seriously hope they don't - win the league, then fair play to them. But I certainly won't be coming on here harping on about how happy I am for them.
That would be bad enough. But it goes beyond that - he's so dedicated to the music of Phil Collins that he will physcially fight in its defence.
Well said.
He's certainly been important, but it's Suarez who is winning them the league (Why the feck no Englishman taken him out yet in preparation for the World Cup, I don't know).
Gerrard's contribution to their season has consisted of a whole lot of desire and commitment and a decent but ultimately limited about of ability. It's a role he's done well, but no better than several other midfielders of the Premier League era - Keane, Vieira and Toure all jump to mind as being better at a similar job.
Gerrard is easily a better player than Le Tissier was imo. Gascoigne was arguably more talented, but he wasted it.
Yeah - despite everything I've said before in this thread, I wouldn't claim either were better players than Gerrard on balance. As we all know there's a big difference between pure ability and effectiveness as a footballer. It's why Darren Fletcher is better than Hatem Ben Arfa.
Bit in bold is a bit of a blasé comment in all fairness, Suarez is the best player on our team but he is not winning the league for us, Suarez has been superb no doubt but Gerrard and Sturridge have played equally as important a role as Suarez this season.
The 2nd bit in bold is just utter rubbish. Gerrard has been great in the DM role, the limited ability bit in particular is ridiculous, he might not be as good in the role as those mentioned- particularly as it is his first year in the position, however he is definitely not limited of ability.
This is going to be the narrative from now til the end of time, but City and Arsenal were both much better in the first half of the season.
He would also have a lot more medals. If they win the league this season it will mean so much to him. He truly is inspirational. Great player, obviously we are going to be a bit bitter on here about him, but he will go down as being one of the greatest footballers I have ever seen.
You wouldn't be where you are if any of the three were missing, true - that's the nature of a team sport. You may well be lower down the league without several other players too. But as you rightly say, Suarez is the best player, and so the single biggest factor in your success.
Let me understand - Gerrard has unlimited ability? I'm not denying he's very good, but against those other three he is relatively limited, as you admit yourself.
The point being that the article above claims he's the best player ever in the Premier League, whereas in reality he is neither the best in his positoin or the best in your team. Smoke well and truly blown up arse, as usual.
Which is a demonstrable fact. Go back to any football discussion pre-xmas and show me a single person (other than the odd scouse nutter maybe) putting forward the view that Liverpool were the best team. It was all about City and Arsenal.
You win nothing unless you perform at the right time of the season (squeaky bum time!!).
Suarez isn't the single biggest factor in our success this season, the very basis of Liverpool's season this year is that they are not reliant on one player, Sturridge and Gerrard as just as important as Suarez for this Liverpool team. Taking into account their assists and goals Suarez has been responsible for 31 points and Sturridge for 27 (taking into account an 8 week absence for injury).
Not necessarily. In 05/06 Chelsea were absolutely monstrous in the first half of the season, winning all bar 2 games and being out of sight by the new year. Then they spent much of the second half dicking about (relatively speaking) but were still comfortable champions.
Had, say, City put up that kind of form in the first half of this season then Liverpool's incredible run would be meaningless. Hell, look at the exact season I'm talking about, where United won 9 in a row during 'squeaky bum time' but were just too far back to ever realistically make up the difference.
Good player that deserves a PL medal, just hate that it has to be with Liverpool.
OK, right, all players are equal in the communist republik of Liverpool.
So if I said to you you could play the rest of the season with either Suarez or Allen missing, you'd just shrug and say "take your pick"?
How do you come to this number exactly? How many of Gerrard's goals have been penalties and how many have been won by Suarez? Or How many of the free kicks or corners won by him being the 2nd best dribbler and most fouled player in the league (only Hazard has more on both counts) has led to Gerrard earning more scorepoints?. Take away set pieces and see what Gerrard's numbers look like. Raw stat's don't tell the full story you only need a simple eye test to see Suarez is reeking Havoc on every defence he comes up against.
I didn't say all players are equally as good as easy other, I said Sturridge and Gerrard are just as important as Suarez is to Liverpool this season, you implied Suarez is single handedly winning the league for Liverpool when this isn't the case.
Oh that's right, goals scored form set pieces don't count in the final table.
Yeah and if I joined Barca then got to score 15 goals a season from all the penalties Messi wins I'd be just as important as Messi right?
Yea you're right, Gerrard's only contributions this year have been from penalties.
Where did I say that? Is your entire argument strategy to make sweeping generalisations about anything you deem to be insulting towards one of your players? How about you try and actually make an argument on merit that Gerrard has been even close to Suarez in terms of importance this year.
Ah, sanity. How I have missed this around the cafe of late.