The whole point of buck stopping at manager was to analyze it's not just day to day tactical flaws of ole but the fact he got garbage players.
It's aged well since we now truly see the mess ole left us in
Steve McClaren | Yessh our new assistant coach
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The whole point of buck stopping at manager was to analyze it's not just day to day tactical flaws of ole but the fact he got garbage players.
It's aged well since we now truly see the mess ole left us in
Concentrating on the spine of your team which makes sense. Although not the greatest I think your full backs can do a decent enough job. I don’t think they are actually as bad as many United fans think. Luke Shaw needs a proper preseason and he could easily become one of the top left backs in the league again. AWB although poor going forward is solid in one v one situations defensively. I just think he needs (and tbh your whole back line does!) an experienced vocal centre back who will direct him into the right spaces.
In terms of United bring McClaren back in, one I didn’t expect but does make sense. He’s been known as a pretty decent coach in the past, has experience of the league and is now at an age and time in his career where I don’t think he actively wants the limelight. As a result he’s likely to work well alongside the new manager without ruffling feathers. As a club I feel like United need some stability and a good team working ethos.
Expecting the worst as a method is actually normally referred to as clinical depression or paranoid delusion.
Shaw isn’t going to be injured all next season. Once Shaw is back Telles is benched or maybe he leaves. We will have to move on some players, Telles could bring in 10 million
With him as assistant, anything less than a treble is a failure
I remember that treble winning season. Even the following season, in the league, we were unstoppable. It baffled me that we didn't win the quadruple in 2000.
Steve loves statistics and uses statistics to make decisions. It worked in his first stint....it might work again.
Here's hoping.
You're making out that Luke Shaw is some demigod. The guy has stank up the place for a while he is part of the losing mentality that we currently have. Shaw (and most of our other players) does not possess the mentality to win trophies at the highest level.
When Jose was here, he singled out 3 players as having weak mentality - Pogba, Shaw and Martial. 2 of them are on the verge of going having achieved nothing since Jose left. To succeed, we'll certainly need to get rid of Shaw (and most of our other players).
Agreed on all points.
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Forcing somone on somebody as assistant coach on the sole premise that he was assistant manager at the club for three years, twenty years ago, would be madness. I mean, not ‘anyone making decisions at United must be mad’ mad, but like, really, clinically mad.
Could be that Arnold and Murtaugh are that mad, of course, but very unlikely.
More likely then, that Ten Hag, who has worked under McClaren and knows what he stands for, wants it and gets what he wants.
Our spine through the middle is terrible, even Bruno is very average. McTominay is very limited in his skills, Fred is easily replaceable. VDB will have to get his mojo back.
So yes, two midfielders to build the spine makes sense and is an absolute priority.
Delighted to have the team that took Twente to their only ever league title back together at United.
Delighted we have an assistant manager who has managed England, won a dutch league and won Middlesborough their only top title in their history (league cup) and took them to their only European final.
I mean, I guess the negative is him being a bit over qualified, but then he was alright previously in the same role I guess
Delighted we have an assistant manager who has managed England, won a dutch league and won Middlesborough their only top title in their history (league cup) and took them to their only European final.
I mean, I guess the negative is him being a bit over qualified, but then he was alright previously in the same role I guess
I’m a bit of an ITK. It is the coaching. We have a team of 30 coaches all institutionalised by the dinosaur united way. All horrible to work with and unwilling to modify. They don’t want to use data or have any strategies whatsoever. Ralf and a few coaches couldn’t make a whole lot difference. I fear neither will Hag at first. However I’m hoping Ralf’s sussed this out and will consult us to rip it apart. Enabling us to transition quicker than if Ralf didn’t take the role in November.
Are you being serious?
Yes.
Yes, the old ways die HARD. That mentality of "it worked for us before!" isn't good enough, because in football as in anything, if you're standing still you're moving backwards. Look at Ian Graham at Liverpool and what data-driven analysis and statistical modelling has done for that club. We can do better.
It does, but so does the thought of more of mcfred. We can't out all the fires in 1 transfer window, some battles we have to make do. We still have Shaw, and the young FBs from the youth teams/loans.
Care to elaborate? It's crazy if things are really like that.
Who brought in those coaches?
Given recent changes, are these guys being replaced?
All reliable reports over the last few months state that it's ten Hag that wants to bring McClaren in and one article even claimed that ten Hag had to push for United to hire him. No idea why people still think it's the other way round.
Being on the outside it does appear that taking the extra time to appoint a manager has helped get things in order within the club.
He's Andy Cole, says in his username
Glad Haggy is getting what he wants wants wants.
Having Steve back is the perfect dose of nostalgia we need for next season
Good decision I guess. No idea why someone would moan about that, time to give ETH some trust
Really encouraging signs from the club. Really exciting times ahead I feel
Not so sure why I'm so happy about having Steve back, feel's a bit like we're getting 20% of Fergie back
I can’t post media but if you google ‘ steve mcclaren picks the QPR team’ and watch the animated video you can get an insight into what to expect from our new assistant
Jeysus that was painfully unfunny.
ETH wanted McClaren.
bannable offense.
But which 20%, that's what I'd worry about. No, not really.
Am I the only one that's understanding that comment as saying that ETH wanting McClaren is more likely than the opposite? You guys might be arguing for nothing.
My point exactly
Could you explain a bit more closely about 30 coaches who don’t want to have any strategies whatsoever? Sounds implausibly exaggerated to me, but I’m an OTK
Probably tomorrow or the day after, he'll have to spend a bit of time to make it up i'd imagine
I think you're a bit of a fibber
Good news if true. What Hag wants Hag gets.
Treble confirmed.
Let’s hope this theme continues throughout the summer.
Amazing. McLaren managed to win the league title for Twente.