I always find it interesting when people who've never watched an academy game in their lives have so much to say about it.
State of our academy
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"Interesting", is a kind word.
Don't think these issues with Rashford etc are to do with the academy. They are to do with the first team.
If rashford, greenwood, pogba and lingard had come through during the 08 team then its very likely that:
- Rashford and greenwood would have been blooded in slower as they would have had too much competition ahead of them and may have been loaned out as part of their development.
- Same with lingard who did get loaned out. Same with Januzaj and pereira
- Pogba probably would have still left but wouldn't have been bought back.
The issue is that our youth prospects come into a dysfunctional team that is either not In a position to give them games or are thrust straight in and relied upon too much. So whilst these players have a lot of blame to take, so does united and the management teams that have not handled them well.
The other issue is a Rashford in the 08 team would be a hot prospect but we would be comparing him to nani and ronaldo so it would put his level into perspective which is not as good as either but a decent prospect. But when he actually debuted he came into a team that was lacking anyone as good as those 2 so he stood out even more. Same with Januzaj.
If rashford, greenwood, pogba and lingard had come through during the 08 team then its very likely that:
- Rashford and greenwood would have been blooded in slower as they would have had too much competition ahead of them and may have been loaned out as part of their development.
- Same with lingard who did get loaned out. Same with Januzaj and pereira
- Pogba probably would have still left but wouldn't have been bought back.
The issue is that our youth prospects come into a dysfunctional team that is either not In a position to give them games or are thrust straight in and relied upon too much. So whilst these players have a lot of blame to take, so does united and the management teams that have not handled them well.
The other issue is a Rashford in the 08 team would be a hot prospect but we would be comparing him to nani and ronaldo so it would put his level into perspective which is not as good as either but a decent prospect. But when he actually debuted he came into a team that was lacking anyone as good as those 2 so he stood out even more. Same with Januzaj.
Why create a thread to criticize the Academy? you could've just left a post in Rashford's threads
This. The academy is actually coming along brilliantly with another superb batch waiting in the wings.
One of the main things to be excited about currently.
Got my tickets for the final!
Our academy actually looks in great shape at the minute. The issues listed by the OP can also be attributed to non-academy players. The problem is the environment these players have been in for a long time now.
There is nothing wrong with the state of the academy. What is a problem is making them into rounded human being, not self centred entitled brats. That is a different issue and seems to be an issue when they get into the first team environment. Them actually getting into the first team needs addressing.
We have plenty of non-academy players with similar questionable attitudes. More an issue of player power and lack of expertise higher up that has allowed it to continue.
Come on a couple of those players broke through the academy a decade ago and most of the rest a good five years or so ago now.
McTominay seems a good pro, regardless of what you think of him as a player, the only two recent players to come through really are Elanga who so far looks to have a good attitude and Greenwood, not sure the alleged crimes can be labelled against the academy and are mor eto do with fame and money so young and the football world in general.
I think the bigger question the last 4/5years has been the lack of players comign through as Greenwood was an exceptional talent, but not many others have really looek dlike making it, maybe Gomes.
And I think that is something the club has looked ot be putting right as we have seen a lot of investment in youth ove the last three years or so.
I think our academy currently in terms of promise is one of the very few things to be positive about actually
McTominay seems a good pro, regardless of what you think of him as a player, the only two recent players to come through really are Elanga who so far looks to have a good attitude and Greenwood, not sure the alleged crimes can be labelled against the academy and are mor eto do with fame and money so young and the football world in general.
I think the bigger question the last 4/5years has been the lack of players comign through as Greenwood was an exceptional talent, but not many others have really looek dlike making it, maybe Gomes.
And I think that is something the club has looked ot be putting right as we have seen a lot of investment in youth ove the last three years or so.
I think our academy currently in terms of promise is one of the very few things to be positive about actually
Nice! Did think about going but had already spent all the spare cash I had on another match(Italy vs Argentina at Wembley) .
Will give it a watch online though, it seems like it will be a pretty decent crowd for a youth match.
Rashford. Zero effort on games. Doesn't give a shit for club during games.
Lingard. As we found out today, he is the rat. And his behaviour all these years was childish as it goes. Dressing room clown.
Greenwood. Violent cnut
Henderson. While being cocky is sometimes good thing, he thinks that he is twice better than he is (judging by his interviews).
McT. Zero football skill but at least he looks as a good person.
Pogba. Virus and instagram player.
Those are our all academy lads in first team, ladies and gents. What are we teaching them in that academy ffs? To be pricks?
Edit: shit, i forgot Elanga. So far he looks as a good lad. But lets give him time....
Paul Pogba - World Cup winner and scored in the final. Also by all accounts one of the nicest guys around. Although he has been underwhelming for us, he is still a credit to the academy.
To be fair, not many academies can boast producing that many players that have the potential ranging from world class to mid table level. Academy talents making it at the top level is extremely rare.
Last few years our academy has been doing well. We've managed to steal youngsters away from other top clubs around Europe. Now we wait to see who makes it.
Ravel Morrison
In his defence he’s been brilliant this season at Derby with a great attitude. Probably a better attitude than all those onOP list atm bar McT.
It was only about 5 or 6 seasons ago, I watched Match of the Day one Saturday evening and ever match featured at least one ex-United or ex-United academy player.
IIRC there were 8 matches shown and only 4 of the 16 teams didn’t field an ex-Utd player of some description.
A couple of teams had 2.
There are many more ex-academy players scattered around the Championship and Div 1 & 2.
The OP needs to change the title of this thread.
It hasn’t got anything to do with the academy and has more to do with certain problematic senior players, who happen to be academy products.
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Exactly there has been investment in the academy, and it looks promising with Hannibal/Elanga getting gametime, Garnacho not far off and several talented genuine prosepects in both the U18s/U23s so criticsing the academy for products generally that have been in the academy 5/10 years ago is a little strange.
As you say yourself though, doesnt mean its been a success, we need to see if any of these players over the next 3/4years make it as regular squad members/first eleven players or ideally star players, only time will tell as every club has a history of bigging up prospects that never really make it at the club, we have been here before ourselves....but its one of the few areas of the club where a ong term plan and structure has actually been put in place
I watched the under 23s against arsenal the other night. They were hard working, pressing high up the pitch as a unit and were easily the better side. That's without taking into account Amad, Laird, Garner, Elanga who are all getting experience.
I can't wait to see more of them introduced to the first team with the new manager in charge.
If anything, that's what I'm optimistic about with United.
I can't wait to see more of them introduced to the first team with the new manager in charge.
If anything, that's what I'm optimistic about with United.
We see plenty of terrible threads pop up these days, but I think this one takes the cake.
Because Rashford and Lingard have been shite this season, it's a reason to start questioning the state of our academy. Never mind the players OP mentions graduated from the academy at least 5-6 years ago, but yeah let's join the moan fest.
Because Rashford and Lingard have been shite this season, it's a reason to start questioning the state of our academy. Never mind the players OP mentions graduated from the academy at least 5-6 years ago, but yeah let's join the moan fest.
Don’t forget, there are a number of players who are released from the academy at the end of every season.
Many of them have gone the whole way through the youth set up, from 16 yrs old, or even younger, to being established in the U23’s for a few seasons.
Most of the U23 squad, will not make it through to being established in the senior first team, even if they get as far as making a few appearances.
It’s always been like that, every single season from way back when.
The class of 92 was an unusual exception to the rule.
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Many of them have gone the whole way through the youth set up, from 16 yrs old, or even younger, to being established in the U23’s for a few seasons.
Most of the U23 squad, will not make it through to being established in the senior first team, even if they get as far as making a few appearances.
It’s always been like that, every single season from way back when.
The class of 92 was an unusual exception to the rule.
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What an idiotic thread...1+1 =3
Nah...the crop from 1992 is not an exception...it pretty much happens every decade at United.
Doesn’t this indicate more of a problem within the first team rather than the academy? The job of the academy is to get these players to first team level, which we do more than most big clubs. The problematic attitudes seem to develop once they’ve established themselves within the team. Also, I think it’s unfair to blame the academy on Greenwood being scum, and including McTominay in this list doesn’t make much sense either. Whilst he’s not good enough, his attitude is amongst the best in the squad from what I see.Rashford. Zero effort on games. Doesn't give a shit for club during games.
Lingard. As we found out today, he is the rat. And his behaviour all these years was childish as it goes. Dressing room clown.
Greenwood. Violent cnut
Henderson. While being cocky is sometimes good thing, he thinks that he is twice better than he is (judging by his interviews).
McT. Zero football skill but at least he looks as a good person.
Pogba. Virus and instagram player.
Those are our all academy lads in first team, ladies and gents. What are we teaching them in that academy ffs? To be pricks?
Edit: shit, i forgot Elanga. So far he looks as a good lad. But lets give him time....
It’s hard to accurately judge youth players. Gael Kakuta looked like prime Messi against the vast majority of scrubs in the youth league. He hasn’t amounted to much beyond a pay day in China.
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