State of our academy

Andycoleno9

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Rashford. Zero effort on games. Doesn't give a shit for club during games.
Lingard. As we found out today, he is the rat. And his behaviour all these years was childish as it goes. Dressing room clown.
Greenwood. Violent cnut
Henderson. While being cocky is sometimes good thing, he thinks that he is twice better than he is (judging by his interviews).
McT. Zero football skill but at least he looks as a good person.
Pogba. Virus and instagram player.

Those are our all academy lads in first team, ladies and gents. What are we teaching them in that academy ffs? To be pricks?

Edit: shit, i forgot Elanga. So far he looks as a good lad. But lets give him time.... :nervous: :lol:
 
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We are in the FA Youth Cup Final but well some poster on a fan forum dislikes Rashford so I guess that means United academy is shite.
 
Judas said:
We did need more negative threads to be fair.
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Come on man. How can you be positive these days? Eth is the only positive thing about which we can talk. On the other hand, negative things/topics are just popping up every day.
 
Sweet Square said:
We are in the FA Youth Final but well some poster on forum dislikes Rashford so I guess that means United academy is shite.
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Search my history regarding Rashford and then say that i dislike him. I defended him all this time. Last two games i lost my nerves though
 
Don't stop there, there's plenty of dirt on the CO92 as well you can mention
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Search my history regarding Rashford and then say that i dislike him. I defended him all this time. Last two games i lost my nerves though
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People right to be pissed/annoyed with certain players(As you point out it’s basically the only thing talked about on here)but really doesn’t say anything about the structure of our academy.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Also Macheda. There was a story (IF i remember correctly) that Sir Alex called casinos in Manchester and said to them to not allow Macheda to gamble.
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Wasnt he bought from an italian team so not a true academy player, same as Pogba. For me its a kid scouted and been here all his junior playing career that makes it to the first team
 
Back in the days we had honest hard-working kids like Giggs, Butt etc. Must have been a generation or two after that the kids started to turn into pricks.
 
Overhyped and overexposed from young age inflate their egos and make them think they are better players than they actually are.
Our youth scouts also seem to have ignored personality profiles when recruiting players. Most of them are kind of typical "troublemakers" or "funny clowns" we had in our classes back in the days.
They also have some sort of weird "we are the INSIDERS of the club and have a greater stake and say in the club" mentality, and this mentality is shared by our ex players like Scholes, Neville, Fletcher, Butt or even Phelan etc too.
 
But those home grown lads get and love the club more.
 
Rashford is a frustrating footballer to watch, but he feeds the starving kids to be fair, so he is probably a good lad.
 
JeffFromHK said:
Overhyped and overexposed from young age inflate their egos and make them think they are better players than they actually are.
Our youth scouts also seem to have ignored personality profiles when recruiting players. Most of them are kind of typical "troublemakers" or "funny clowns" we had in our classes back in the days.
They also have some sort of weird "we are the INSIDERS of the club and have a greater stake and say in the club" mentality, and this mentality is shared by our ex players like Scholes, Neville, Fletcher, Butt or even Phelan etc too.
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I just don't understand why it is so difficult for a club like United to implement a department within the football department to only deal with the process of identifying the right psychological profiles among the players to recruit. Does anyone know how much money is spent in the NCAA and in the NFL just to identify people who can assimilate a playbook quickly enough? Sports psychology being a part of sports science doesn't exist without a reason, and I wish we are serious in using that kind of science.

Troublemakers and funny clowns should be the first to be excluded if we want to build a good working environment.
 
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There was a time where it was a common assertion that our academy had falled behind and was lacking to compete with other clubs. Those times were around the same time these lads were part of the set up.. perhaps we are witnessing the affects first hand?

Disclaimer: this is a question to ponder, it isn’t a claim.

You can make the claim that Pogba, Rashford and Lingard did at some point look good to great, the others hit average at best. But regardless, this is still a better output than any other “top club” in England has put out, so make of that what you will.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
I just don't understand why it is so difficult for aclub like United to implement a department within the football department to only deal with the process of identifying the right psychological profiles among the players to recruit. Does anyone know how much money is spent in the NCAA and in the NFL just to identify people who can assimilate a playbook quickly enough? Sports psychology being a part of sports science doesn't exist without a reason, and I wish we are serious in using that kind of science.

Troublemakers and funny clowns should be the first to be excluded if we want to build a good working environment.
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It's hard not to get contaminated when you have a dressing room filled with pogba rashford and beans. They'd be the odd one out of ostracized. Even ronaldo got this treatment.
 
Are people this in delusion?

Our academy is not bad - we haven't had a single world class in his prime manager for our players to get the best out of them.

So the fans go and point at the academy.

Our players in the 90s maybe more legendary but there was also shit ones that's only a manager like SAF could look to get the best out of. We haven't had that for 10 years.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
I just don't understand why it is so difficult for aclub like United to implement a department within the football department to only deal with the process of identifying the right psychological profiles among the players to recruit. Does anyone know how much money is spent in the NCAA and in the NFL just to identify people who can assimilate a playbook quickly enough? Sports psychology being a part of sports science doesn't exist without a reason, and I wish we are serious in using that kind of science.

Troublemakers and funny clowns should be the first to be excluded if we want to build a good working environment.
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I’ve read stuff on here about some of our top youth players being arseholes at 15/16. How can you stop a 16 year old millionaire from being a tit? If you don’t make him rich someone else will. It’s such a fine line. The club needs a manager who starts to win stuff to come down the line and lay down the law. Otherwise it’s just a load of agent speak and media coverage. Once the very best make it into the bottom tiers of mens football they are sorted for the next 10 years. That’s real power but far too early
 
Samid said:
Back in the days we had honest hard-working kids like Giggs, Butt etc. Must have been a generation or two after that the kids started to turn into pricks.
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The current lot broke through then basically had 0 competition for their places since they came up which I think largely contributes to their level/attitude. Giggs and Butt had to earn their places in title winning teams and if they faltered they knew they’d be sold.
 
Bebestation said:
Are people this in delusion?

Our academy is not bad - we haven't had a single world class in his prime manager for our players to get the best out of them.

So the fans go and point at the academy.

Our players in the 90s maybe more legendary but there was also shit ones that's only a manager like SAF could look to get the best out of. We haven't had that for 10 years.
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It is a FACT that our academy has been regressing in recent years. class of 1993 produced our last batch of successful (though most of them are toxic) academy players.
Our academy rejects used to be solid premier league players and national team members. Once upon a time we had like 10+ academy rejects playing regularly in the premier league (excluding those playing for us) every season. Can you count how many of our academy products (apart from those who are still in our team and the half-bred Januzaj) born 1994 or later who are still relevant in English/Italian/Spanish top tier football?

See our notable "relatively successful" academy graduates who got first team experience in recent years:

Blackett - plays in MLS at 27 years old
McNair - plays in championship at 27 years old
Cameron Borthwick-Jackson - plays in League One at 25 years old
Mensah - backup in Bundesliga at 24 years old
James Wilson - plays in League Two at 26 years old
Reece James - plays in League 1 at 28 years old
Tom Thorpe - plays in INDIA at 29 years old
Tom Lawrence - now 28 years sold, plays in championship
Demetri Mitchell - plays in Scotland at 25 years old
Angel Gomes - plays in Ligue 1 at 21 years old, scoring 0 goals in 19 games (relatively successful already, and he was taunted as a generational talent when he was promoted)
Josh Harrop - plays in League 1 at 26 years old
 
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Andycoleno9 said:
Rashford. Zero effort on games. Doesn't give a shit for club during games.
Lingard. As we found out today, he is the rat. And his behaviour all these years was childish as it goes. Dressing room clown.
Greenwood. Violent cnut
Henderson. While being cocky is sometimes good thing, he thinks that he is twice better than he is (judging by his interviews).
McT. Zero football skill but at least he looks as a good person.
Pogba. Virus and instagram player.

Those are our all academy lads in first team, ladies and gents. What are we teaching them in that academy ffs? To be pricks?

Edit: shit, i forgot Elanga. So far he looks as a good lad. But lets give him time.... :nervous: :lol:
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What has your post got to do with the state of our academy?
 
The problem with academy lads coming though is because Co92 happened a significant portion of the fan base thinks that we can overlook how shit someone is playing because the Co92 proves all it takes is time for them to inevitably become world class like their predecessors were.

Even steering away from Rashford it’s only been relatively recently the bollocks about Lingard ‘coming good if we give him game time’ actually turned into a joke meme from being something a lot of people actually said in earnest.

Pushing young players as ‘obviously the future of the club’ before they’ve shown they’re even decent at the level we need them to be is also counter productive
 
Perhaps the problem isn't the academy, but the step up into the first team. This not only introduces them to the other overpaid and arrogant twats at the club, but the academy players themselves become overpaid overnight and the money and fame goee to their heads.

I've long banged the drum that one of our biggest problems is that we massively overpay players. We reward failure and we throw tons of money at young lads who haven't achieved anything. It's not only a terrible life lesson but it demotivates those who aren't by nature motivated by trophies, but by judging success based on financial reward.
 
Samid said:
Back in the days we had honest hard-working kids like Giggs, Butt etc. Must have been a generation or two after that the kids started to turn into pricks.
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Judas said:
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:lol: as well. Though on a serious note, Giggs and Butt had their young lives controlled by micromanaging martinet Alex Ferguson. I can’t picture Jose or Ole turning up at a house party and giving the likes of Greenwood and Williams hell. LvG would probably have joined them for a couple of drinks but then made sure they had no more and went home horny.

I have heard that the lads at the school the Academy concentrates them at can be a pretty spoiled and obnoxious bunch. Whether they are any more so than kids at other clubs’ academies I have no idea, but I very much doubt it.

Putting young players who have “made it” into the first team on massive money early on is clearly idiotic, and does seem to be something of a United speciality. Let’s hope it stops under the new regime, though I’m not terribly hopeful.

Edit: @AndySmith1990 says it better than me in his post just above this one
 
We are in the FA Youth Cup final and people think there is ab issue with the academy??

We are on the verge of winning a double with the women's academy, yet people think there is an issue with the academy??

Bizarre....
 
Fix the first team and the mentality will filter down through the academy.
 
JeffFromHK said:
It is a FACT that our academy has been regressing in recent years. class of 1993 produced our last batch of successful (though most of them are toxic) academy players.
Our academy rejects used to be solid premier league players and national team members. Once upon a time we had like 10+ academy rejects playing regularly in the premier league (excluding those playing for us) every season. Can you count how many of our academy products (apart from those who are still in our team and the half-bred Januzaj) born 1994 or later who are still relevant in English/Italian/Spanish top tier football?

See our notable "relatively successful" academy graduates who got first team experience in recent years:

Blackett - plays in MLS at 27 years old
McNair - plays in championship at 27 years old
Cameron Borthwick-Jackson - plays in League One at 25 years old
Mensah - backup in Bundesliga at 24 years old
James Wilson - plays in League Two at 26 years old
Reece James - plays in League 1 at 28 years old
Tom Thorpe - plays in INDIA at 29 years old
Tom Lawrence - now 28 years sold, plays in championship
Demetri Mitchell - plays in Scotland at 25 years old
Angel Gomes - plays in Ligue 1 at 21 years old, scoring 0 goals in 19 games (relatively successful already, and he was taunted as a generational talent when he was promoted)
Josh Harrop - plays in League 1 at 26 years old
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The entire coaching set-up at United is just horribly outdated. A lot of those players simply aren't technically proficient enough, being good on the ball and etc. That coaching set-up is the kind that can work in the 90s and early 2000s. But from 2010s onwards, those set-up have being outdated.

Put it this way. When was the last time United produced a top midfielder that is actually comfortable in possession when being pressed? When was the last time United produced good ball-playing defenders? The only decent players that United academy produced are wingers and forwards...because those position depended more on a player's speed and other athletic attributes.

To put it simply, United as a club has become an outdated club since the 2010s. But fans refused to recognise this. And lots of youth players are being overhyped just because they scored some goals.
 
Someone doesn't like Rashford or is pissed the Pogba didn't turn out amazing and they're trying to blame others rather than the player himself,
Someone hating on Henderson because he's cocky is just the most pathetic thing I've ever heard of, give your head a wobble and grow up.
 
JeffFromHK said:
Overhyped and overexposed from young age inflate their egos and make them think they are better players than they actually are.
Our youth scouts also seem to have ignored personality profiles when recruiting players. Most of them are kind of typical "troublemakers" or "funny clowns" we had in our classes back in the days.
They also have some sort of weird "we are the INSIDERS of the club and have a greater stake and say in the club" mentality, and this mentality is shared by our ex players like Scholes, Neville, Fletcher, Butt or even Phelan etc too.
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That bold one is 100% correct.

I also totally agree this with personality profiles when we recuite players. Everyone in top football can run and hit a ball in some way, (unless you are part of our team nowdays) but not everyone is mentally prepared to do what it takes to be a very good footballer. Priorities. Right now lot of our players are more intrested in other things like social media then actually football. It is all about likes.
 
It's a bit daft to have Pogba with the others, he not only won a lot outside of United but has also been praised by the likes of Allegri, Conte and Deschamps for his attitude.
 
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