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There's a theory that his face was naturally like that, and the regular 'human' face was simply a disguise.

Even if that's the case - why the giant green apple at the midway stage?! He just looks ridiculous

2 questions.

1) Has anyone actually watched all 6 in the correct order over a short space of time.
2) Is there any plans for the final 3?

Ta!

Well I watched the first 3 within around 3/4weeks and I plan on watching the original trilogy in the coming few weeks - probably go through that trilogy much quicker as those films aren't quite as harmful to my brain.
 
Even if that's the case - why the giant green apple at the midway stage?! He just looks ridiculous



Well I watched the first 3 within around 3/4weeks and I plan on watching the original trilogy in the coming few weeks - probably go through that trilogy much quicker as those films aren't quite as harmful to my brain.
I take it that 1,2,3 are as bad as it remember then. :(
 
Anni, you should listen to the How did this get made? podcasts. 3 people (comedians/actors) plus a guest rip on a bad movie. Pretty funny stuff. You should also check out Robot Chicken making fun of Star Wars.

Grievous, he isn't a robot. He's a cyborg. Hence some organs. The coughing is because of his lung damage. He's not exactly a prime specimen but he works.

If you think his name is bad you should hear the reason. He gave himself that name after his best female mate was killed.

Leia is a princess because her adoptive mother was Queen of Alderaan. When Alderaan blew up she wasn't a princess anymore.

Anakin was always emo. Palpatine's biggest accomplishment was making him badass. Just look at how he was and what he became.
 
Anni, you should listen to the How did this get made? podcasts. 3 people (comedians/actors) plus a guest rip on a bad movie. Pretty funny stuff. You should also check out Robot Chicken making fun of Star Wars.

Grievous, he isn't a robot. He's a cyborg. Hence some organs. The coughing is because of his lung damage. He's not exactly a prime specimen but he works.

If you think his name is bad you should hear the reason. He gave himself that name after his best female mate was killed.

Leia is a princess because her adoptive mother was Queen of Alderaan. When Alderaan blew up she wasn't a princess anymore.

Anakin was always emo. Palpatine's biggest accomplishment was making him badass. Just look at how he was and what he became.

I do listen to How Did This Get Made? when they do a film that I've seen - which hadn't been for ages until Mortal Kombat this week! Going to give it a listen later on.

I haven't really seeked out anything in relation to the badness of these films, so I might give the few suggestions that have come up in here a go

Also - Darth Vader is/was great - but he does lose a lot of badass points for "Where is Padme? IS she.... alright?"
 
Basically I hate you all. Especially AN! and noodle. And Sharky for not correcting them.

Incoming giant post in 3, 2, 1 ... when I go home.
 
Grievous could have been amazing. Instead they made him shit with that stupid cough every 2 seconds. They should have called him General Lung Cancer.
 
Thinking about it, they really should have given him an inhaler. Would have been a great character builder.
 
Thinking about it, they really should have given him an inhaler. Would have been a great character builder.

The cnut's practically a Robot, presumably put together with the best components out there, yet he's wandering around with a pair of fecked lungs. Surely the technology existed for him to fit a pair of artificial lungs and be done with it.

Load of wank. Whoever came up with the idea to make him cough every five seconds needs to be expelled from all future planning meetings ever!
 
Grievous was the Jar Jar of Episode II and III. Annoying, pointless, doesn't serve any purpose. I guess Jar Jar was supposed to provide comic relief while Grievous was meant to be the cool badass motherfecker but they both fail miserably.
 
The cnut's practically a Robot, presumably put together with the best components out there, yet he's wandering around with a pair of fecked lungs. Surely the technology existed for him to fit a pair of artificial lungs and be done with it.

Load of wank. Whoever came up with the idea to make him cough every five seconds needs to be expelled from all future planning meetings ever!
He isn't a robot. He is like Darth Vader, a cyborg.

He was force crushed by Mace Windu during the attack on Corrusant (Clone Wars miniseries) which makes him cough every few seconds.
 
He isn't a robot. He is like Darth Vader, a cyborg.

He was force crushed by Mace Windu during the attack on Corrusant (Clone Wars miniseries) which makes him cough every few seconds.

I said "practically" a robot. When you watch a film, without a character's back-story to explain his undoubtedly tragic force-crushing incident, you don't want an annoying and frankly stupid cough to be interrupting every sentence. It totally ruined what could have been an interesting, and formidable villain.


"Hey, it's really important that we convey the fact that this character isn't a robot. I mean, these films are full of cgi robot's as it is."
"I know! let's make him cough. Robot's don't cough, right?"
"That's genius!"
"I know, but people are a bit thick, they might miss it. I think we'll need to make him cough almost constantly"
"Yeah, we'll really need to ram this point home so all the little idiots can work out that he isn't a robot"
"I agree, it'll be really cool if he coughs during every sentence."
"Yeah, everybody will love it"


As an aside, if Mace Windu can force crush people's lungs. It makes him dying like a bitch even more stupid!
 
As an aside, if Mace Windu can force crush people's lungs. It makes him dying like a bitch even more stupid!

Agree about the first part, they could have explained it better without perma-coughing.

Don't understand the relation between Windu force crushing Grievous and his death.
 
Agree about the first part, they could have explained it better without perma-coughing.

Don't understand the relation between Windu force crushing Grievous and his death.

Well, I don't know the context of how and why he managed to force crush Grievous' lungs, so I could be totally wrong. My initial thought was if you're powerful enough to crush somebody's lungs, why do you even need to draw a lightsaber in the first place? And following that, he could have presumably flung Annakin across the room as soon as Annakin drew his saber?

Still it's all hypothetical bollocks, and the fact remains that they cocked the prequels up, and some of the added bits they tacked on to the original trilogy were shamefully bad too.

It's a shame. Hopefully JJ Abrams will produce something good.
 
Well, I don't know the context of how and why he managed to force crush Grievous' lungs, so I could be totally wrong. My initial thought was if you're powerful enough to crush somebody's lungs, why do you even need to draw a lightsaber in the first place? And following that, he could have presumably flung Annakin across the room as soon as Annakin drew his saber?

Still it's all hypothetical bollocks, and the fact remains that they cocked the prequels up, and some of the added bits they tacked on to the original trilogy were shamefully bad too.

It's a shame. Hopefully JJ Abrams will produce something good.
Grievous wasn't force sensitive, so crushing him for someone powerful like Yoda and Windu wasn't that difficult. Even Kenobi pushed him tens (or even a hundred) of yards.

When it comes to force sensitives, it's other business. They have defenses against basic force attacks. Windu could not crush Anakin and definitely not Palps. In fact the main reason he won against Palps, was because Palps wasn't fighting at his full strength (in order to force Anakin to act).
 
Grievous wasn't force sensitive, so crushing him for someone powerful like Yoda and Windu wasn't that difficult. Even Kenobi pushed him tens (or even a hundred) of yards.

When it comes to force sensitives, it's other business. They have defenses against basic force attacks. Windu could not crush Anakin and definitely not Palps. In fact the main reason he won against Palps, was because Palps wasn't fighting at his full strength (in order to force Anakin to act).

Well, that was painfully obvious.

Force sensitive people having defences against certain force moves is a blatant cop out. They're sensitive to the force, so force attacks can't be used on them. Ok and Jedi are so sensitive they can't detect a Sith amongst them and don't even lift their lightsabers to defend themselves (when palapatine was exposed and stabbed two Jedi that didn't even move) when attacked.
In the Phantom Menace, I'm sure I remember a Force push being used to knock Kenobi over a ledge. So no reason Windu couldn't push Annakin back when he drew his saber.

The problem is that the films didn't even fit together under any sort of scrutiny (mediclorians, Kenobi telling Luke he was trained by Yoda and not mentioning Liam Neeson etc). You add in a load of expanded universe books and cartoons and the whole thing starts creaking.

That's without even mentioning bad cgi, amazing coincedences and dumb luck winning battles and god awful characters like Mr Binks.

They cocked the prequels up massively.
 
Well, that was painfully obvious.

Force sensitive people having defences against certain force moves is a blatant cop out. They're sensitive to the force, so force attacks can't be used on them. Ok and Jedi are so sensitive they can't detect a Sith amongst them and don't even lift their lightsabers to defend themselves (when palapatine was exposed and stabbed two Jedi that didn't even move) when attacked.
In the Phantom Menace, I'm sure I remember a Force push being used to knock Kenobi over a ledge. So no reason Windu couldn't push Annakin back when he drew his saber.

Well, it does make sense. You can defend against force attacks by using force defenses. That doesn't mean that it is impossible for a Jedi/Sith to harm another Jedi/Sith with the force - that happens all the time - but it isn't as easy as doing harm to normal people. And of course it depends how powerful are those force sensitivies, when they use it etc. Anakin was almost as powerful as Windu, so it wasn't easy for Windu to push him. In fact he wasn't expecting Anakin to do that at all.

It has never been said that Palps let Windu to win, but I think that it was obvious. Windu was probably better than Palpatine when it comes to lightsaber skills, but Palpatine could have easily overpower him with Force skills, something that he didn't even try except the lightning.

The problem is that the films didn't even fit together under any sort of scrutiny (mediclorians, Kenobi telling Luke he was trained by Yoda and not mentioning Liam Neeson etc). You add in a load of expanded universe books and cartoons and the whole thing starts creaking.

Why would Kenobi mention Qui-Gon? Luke didn't knew who Qui-Gon was. Yoda was alive and Kenobi send Luke to him. Yoda in fact trained Kenobi. While Kenobi's master was Qui-Gon, Yoda basically trained all the Jedi when they were younger. Also, he had an interes on Kenobi (cause he was one of the most powerful and wise Jedi) so they have spend a lot of time together.

She was beautiful (Leia for Padme) on the other side, doesn't make sense after the prequels.
 
I have to add some things that have been mentioned here.

- The First Battle of Geonosis - that Jedi are idiots isn't a secret. But this was beyong lunacity. Okay, we knew that they didn't had much time to prepare but going all in without much chance of winning wasn't smart. In that battle were 9 members of the Jedi High Council (Mace Windu, Shaak Ti, Adi Gallia, Ki-Adi Mundi, Plo Koon, Even Piell, Coleman Trebor, Eeth Koth, Saeese Tiin) and then they were joined by Master Yoda. Add to that, in the battle there was Kit Fistu who together with Obi-Wan Kenobi were basically, next in lone members for the Jedi High Council. If the Jedi would have lost, the war practically would have been over. The Jedi High Council had 12 members and if 10 of them would have died, then they would have been as good as destroyed. Let's move on.

- The Number of Clones - 'Master Kenobi, here there are 200000 clone soldiers (around the same number as army of Greece), and in reparation there are another 1 million (USA). If you want more, you have to wait'. Yep, the Jedi/senate wanted more and somewhere between the two episodes they ordered another 5 million soldiers (all together are as much as militaries of USA, China, India and Russia). For a galaxy that has quadrillion inhabitans. Corruscan itself had one trillion of people. If they would have recruited only 1 for each a thousand of people, they would have formed an army of 1 billion soldiers.

- Jedi Masters are total idiots - Does anyone think different? They usually spend their time to meditate but do little of value. Of course, there are exceptions like Obi-Wan Kenobi who was awesome, but most of them are totally useless. During the Clone Wars, basically all the difficult stuff was done by Kenobi and Skywalker. Yoda and Windu who apprently were more powerful and more wise, spend their time doing basically nothing. cnuts!

And this seems to have been a phenomena during their entire history. Everytime they had to fight against someone, they were completely incompetent and almost all the time they were saved by someone who had gone rogue (Revan, Meetra Surik, Uliq Qel Droma, Lord Huth), by someone who had joined the dark side before (Revan, Anakin Skywalker) or by someone with little training (Nomi Sunrider, Luke). They had survived all the time, only because of the brilliance of someone who usually either was outcasted, left the order or had just joined them.

- The absurdity of Ruusan reformation - Has anyone ever thought why such a powerful Galaxy doesn't have an army? The reason for that is beyond absurd, a thousand years before the movies, they just decided to not use anymore armies, because when you have armies then you'll fight. So, let's totally demilitarize. Cool! And what if someone starts making soldiers/droid soldiers?? Idiots.

At the same time, they decided that te Jedi won't be anymore as Supreme Chancellors which is again absurd. Why would have the Jedi left such power? Especially considering that they think that are supersmart.

- The prophecy of the Chosen One - A lot of people have misinterpreted it here. The prophecy is a Jedi prophecy. According to them, the force is in balance where there is only the light side. When things will go to shit, someone will bring the force in balance. For a thousand year, they didn't believe it because they thought that the Sith were destroyed. The first hints that this isn't the case, were around a hundred years before the movies. And that was confirmed after Kenobi and Jiin saw Darth Maul.

- Let's treat Anakin Skywalker like shit - I am looking at you Mace Windu. And you Yoda. And almost all the other Masters. He can't have a wife because this is forbidden. Except that an another Master (Ki Adi Mundi) had one (and in history there were many others). They don't give him the title of Master because he still wasn't stable enough. The title was a complete formality. In the clone wars, one of the most important Masters Depa Billaba (who was the youngest Jedi to sit on the Council and was the ex-padawan of Mace Windu) turned to the dark side and had to be put down. Oh, I didn't even mention the mistreatment of Anakin's padawan on The Clone Wars TV Show. And then Yoda's advice to Anakin, was to let Padme die. Excellent!

The worse part was that they were convinced that he was the Chosen One. And treated him that badly.

- The transformation of Anakin - It was done very badly. Interestingly, it was done excellently on the novel which was published a month before the book. Entire parts when he got transforrmed were skipped. Like his dialogue with Palpatine, when Palps admits that he is the Sith Lord. I would highly recommend to anyone to read that novel. Here he just simply decided to become evil in the space of a few minutes. In fact, we don't even know on the movies his relation with Palps. That was much more closer than we saw on the movie. Basically, Palps was the third most important person on Anakin's life.

- Suicide against the Sith Lord - [Windu's logic] We know that he is more powerful than us, and chances that we'll win are slim, and Anakin has most chances to win against him, but screw that, I am going to fight him. Why the feck he didn't wait for Yoda and Kenobi? Him with Yoda most likely would have defeated Palps. Add Kenobi on equation (who was the only one who could have controlled Skywalker) and they would have definitely win. But no, again he was shown to be a massive bellend.

- I have the higher ground - Despite it's critics, it was done good. Skywalker was slightly more powerful then Kenobi and Kenobi knew that. Anyway, considering that he had trained Skywalker, he knew exactly how he fights so he could defend well against Skywalker. Defeating him was more difficult though. But Kenobi was the cunniest Jedo of his time, so he played on Anakin's arrogance. While Kenobi was at a better position, Skywalker could have easily landed somewhere else and continue the fight. But Kenobi saying to him 'don't do it Anakin, I have the higher ground' was basically a challenge to Anakin. And Anakin went for it, while Kenobi was anticipating that move. It was a good job by Lucas, but because he was so shit on all other things, people don't give him credit for that and think that Kenobi only won because he had the higher ground. Oh by the way why was skipped the best line of dialogue on the novel?

'This is the end for you my Master'
'I have heard this many times Anakin. I never thought that I would hear it from you' was replaced on the movie by 'I have failed you Anakin'. Feck knows!

- Anakin and Padme - The biggest question is was Padme really beautiful, was she beautiful because she was in love or wasn't she beautiful but she looked beautiful to Anakin because he was in love. Losing the will to live should be added in medicine as one of the reason why people die.
 
I have to add some things that have been mentioned here.

- The First Battle of Geonosis - that Jedi are idiots isn't a secret. But this was beyong lunacity. Okay, we knew that they didn't had much time to prepare but going all in without much chance of winning wasn't smart. In that battle were 9 members of the Jedi High Council (Mace Windu, Shaak Ti, Adi Gallia, Ki-Adi Mundi, Plo Koon, Even Piell, Coleman Trebor, Eeth Koth, Saeese Tiin) and then they were joined by Master Yoda. Add to that, in the battle there was Kit Fistu who together with Obi-Wan Kenobi were basically, next in lone members for the Jedi High Council. If the Jedi would have lost, the war practically would have been over. The Jedi High Council had 12 members and if 10 of them would have died, then they would have been as good as destroyed. Let's move on.

- The Number of Clones - 'Master Kenobi, here there are 200000 clone soldiers (around the same number as army of Greece), and in reparation there are another 1 million (USA). If you want more, you have to wait'. Yep, the Jedi/senate wanted more and somewhere between the two episodes they ordered another 5 million soldiers (all together are as much as militaries of USA, China, India and Russia). For a galaxy that has quadrillion inhabitans. Corruscan itself had one trillion of people. If they would have recruited only 1 for each a thousand of people, they would have formed an army of 1 billion soldiers.

- Jedi Masters are total idiots - Does anyone think different? They usually spend their time to meditate but do little of value. Of course, there are exceptions like Obi-Wan Kenobi who was awesome, but most of them are totally useless. During the Clone Wars, basically all the difficult stuff was done by Kenobi and Skywalker. Yoda and Windu who apprently were more powerful and more wise, spend their time doing basically nothing. cnuts!

And this seems to have been a phenomena during their entire history. Everytime they had to fight against someone, they were completely incompetent and almost all the time they were saved by someone who had gone rogue (Revan, Meetra Surik, Uliq Qel Droma, Lord Huth), by someone who had joined the dark side before (Revan, Anakin Skywalker) or by someone with little training (Nomi Sunrider, Luke). They had survived all the time, only because of the brilliance of someone who usually either was outcasted, left the order or had just joined them.

- The absurdity of Ruusan reformation - Has anyone ever thought why such a powerful Galaxy doesn't have an army? The reason for that is beyond absurd, a thousand years before the movies, they just decided to not use anymore armies, because when you have armies then you'll fight. So, let's totally demilitarize. Cool! And what if someone starts making soldiers/droid soldiers?? Idiots.

At the same time, they decided that te Jedi won't be anymore as Supreme Chancellors which is again absurd. Why would have the Jedi left such power? Especially considering that they think that are supersmart.

- The prophecy of the Chosen One - A lot of people have misinterpreted it here. The prophecy is a Jedi prophecy. According to them, the force is in balance where there is only the light side. When things will go to shit, someone will bring the force in balance. For a thousand year, they didn't believe it because they thought that the Sith were destroyed. The first hints that this isn't the case, were around a hundred years before the movies. And that was confirmed after Kenobi and Jiin saw Darth Maul.

- Let's treat Anakin Skywalker like shit - I am looking at you Mace Windu. And you Yoda. And almost all the other Masters. He can't have a wife because this is forbidden. Except that an another Master (Ki Adi Mundi) had one (and in history there were many others). They don't give him the title of Master because he still wasn't stable enough. The title was a complete formality. In the clone wars, one of the most important Masters Depa Billaba (who was the youngest Jedi to sit on the Council and was the ex-padawan of Mace Windu) turned to the dark side and had to be put down. Oh, I didn't even mention the mistreatment of Anakin's padawan on The Clone Wars TV Show. And then Yoda's advice to Anakin, was to let Padme die. Excellent!

The worse part was that they were convinced that he was the Chosen One. And treated him that badly.

- The transformation of Anakin - It was done very badly. Interestingly, it was done excellently on the novel which was published a month before the book. Entire parts when he got transforrmed were skipped. Like his dialogue with Palpatine, when Palps admits that he is the Sith Lord. I would highly recommend to anyone to read that novel. Here he just simply decided to become evil in the space of a few minutes. In fact, we don't even know on the movies his relation with Palps. That was much more closer than we saw on the movie. Basically, Palps was the third most important person on Anakin's life.

- Suicide against the Sith Lord - [Windu's logic] We know that he is more powerful than us, and chances that we'll win are slim, and Anakin has most chances to win against him, but screw that, I am going to fight him. Why the feck he didn't wait for Yoda and Kenobi? Him with Yoda most likely would have defeated Palps. Add Kenobi on equation (who was the only one who could have controlled Skywalker) and they would have definitely win. But no, again he was shown to be a massive bellend.

- I have the higher ground - Despite it's critics, it was done good. Skywalker was slightly more powerful then Kenobi and Kenobi knew that. Anyway, considering that he had trained Skywalker, he knew exactly how he fights so he could defend well against Skywalker. Defeating him was more difficult though. But Kenobi was the cunniest Jedo of his time, so he played on Anakin's arrogance. While Kenobi was at a better position, Skywalker could have easily landed somewhere else and continue the fight. But Kenobi saying to him 'don't do it Anakin, I have the higher ground' was basically a challenge to Anakin. And Anakin went for it, while Kenobi was anticipating that move. It was a good job by Lucas, but because he was so shit on all other things, people don't give him credit for that and think that Kenobi only won because he had the higher ground. Oh by the way why was skipped the best line of dialogue on the novel?

'This is the end for you my Master'
'I have heard this many times Anakin. I never thought that I would hear it from you' was replaced on the movie by 'I have failed you Anakin'. Feck knows!

- Anakin and Padme - The biggest question is was Padme really beautiful, was she beautiful because she was in love or wasn't she beautiful but she looked beautiful to Anakin because he was in love. Losing the will to live should be added in medicine as one of the reason why people die.
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The council is pretty shit. You've got a dozen members who are making decision but can't express feelings. What happens? Nothing. Nothing gets done. It's not possible to argue back and forth for some time without feelings getting involved. Despite the Jedis constantly saying that there is no emotion, pretty much all of them show it. That's the reason why Windu got himself killed. He was hot-headed as feck. He always looked angry.

Basically, the council are unable to make quick decisions. Decisive decisions. They play more by the "let us go with the force" thinking. When the Jedi lose they're normally fighting alone. They usually win because of their sheer numbers but cunning will get the better of them. Without the Han Solos and the Wedges and rogue Jedis, like you said, they tend to screw themselves over.
 
]Do you agree with me that the Jedi High Council members usually are completely retarded (even from other eras)?

Yes. I especially enjoyed

  • Right, Mace Windu. Let's be honest, he's a bit shit isn't he? He just sits around all day being a right moody fecker. On top of that, why on earth does he treat Anakin like utter shit all the time? Especially when he actually wants him to do important shit for the council? You're not a Master, you immature shit, but could you spy on the emperor for us? Cheers.

But then as you said the ROTS novelisation gives a much better insight into this - Yoda's realisation that he'd been training the Jedi to defeat the previous era's Sith meaning that they'd lost this fight before it had even begun was something that I thought should have found its way into the film.

Anyway, I've gone slightly meta and started watching fan edits.

Adywan's A New Hope is fairly good. Not perfect but on the whole probably better than the Special Editions.

I also watched l8wtwr's Dawn of the Empire (Revenge of the Sith edit), which was again fairly good and cut out a lot of shit that made Anakin seem like an easily impressionable psychopath.
 
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I have to add some things that have been mentioned here.

- The First Battle of Geonosis - that Jedi are idiots isn't a secret. But this was beyong lunacity. Okay, we knew that they didn't had much time to prepare but going all in without much chance of winning wasn't smart. In that battle were 9 members of the Jedi High Council (Mace Windu, Shaak Ti, Adi Gallia, Ki-Adi Mundi, Plo Koon, Even Piell, Coleman Trebor, Eeth Koth, Saeese Tiin) and then they were joined by Master Yoda. Add to that, in the battle there was Kit Fistu who together with Obi-Wan Kenobi were basically, next in lone members for the Jedi High Council. If the Jedi would have lost, the war practically would have been over. The Jedi High Council had 12 members and if 10 of them would have died, then they would have been as good as destroyed. Let's move on.

- The Number of Clones - 'Master Kenobi, here there are 200000 clone soldiers (around the same number as army of Greece), and in reparation there are another 1 million (USA). If you want more, you have to wait'. Yep, the Jedi/senate wanted more and somewhere between the two episodes they ordered another 5 million soldiers (all together are as much as militaries of USA, China, India and Russia). For a galaxy that has quadrillion inhabitans. Corruscan itself had one trillion of people. If they would have recruited only 1 for each a thousand of people, they would have formed an army of 1 billion soldiers.

- Jedi Masters are total idiots - Does anyone think different? They usually spend their time to meditate but do little of value. Of course, there are exceptions like Obi-Wan Kenobi who was awesome, but most of them are totally useless. During the Clone Wars, basically all the difficult stuff was done by Kenobi and Skywalker. Yoda and Windu who apprently were more powerful and more wise, spend their time doing basically nothing. cnuts!

And this seems to have been a phenomena during their entire history. Everytime they had to fight against someone, they were completely incompetent and almost all the time they were saved by someone who had gone rogue (Revan, Meetra Surik, Uliq Qel Droma, Lord Huth), by someone who had joined the dark side before (Revan, Anakin Skywalker) or by someone with little training (Nomi Sunrider, Luke). They had survived all the time, only because of the brilliance of someone who usually either was outcasted, left the order or had just joined them.

- The absurdity of Ruusan reformation - Has anyone ever thought why such a powerful Galaxy doesn't have an army? The reason for that is beyond absurd, a thousand years before the movies, they just decided to not use anymore armies, because when you have armies then you'll fight. So, let's totally demilitarize. Cool! And what if someone starts making soldiers/droid soldiers?? Idiots.

At the same time, they decided that te Jedi won't be anymore as Supreme Chancellors which is again absurd. Why would have the Jedi left such power? Especially considering that they think that are supersmart.

- The prophecy of the Chosen One - A lot of people have misinterpreted it here. The prophecy is a Jedi prophecy. According to them, the force is in balance where there is only the light side. When things will go to shit, someone will bring the force in balance. For a thousand year, they didn't believe it because they thought that the Sith were destroyed. The first hints that this isn't the case, were around a hundred years before the movies. And that was confirmed after Kenobi and Jiin saw Darth Maul.

- Let's treat Anakin Skywalker like shit - I am looking at you Mace Windu. And you Yoda. And almost all the other Masters. He can't have a wife because this is forbidden. Except that an another Master (Ki Adi Mundi) had one (and in history there were many others). They don't give him the title of Master because he still wasn't stable enough. The title was a complete formality. In the clone wars, one of the most important Masters Depa Billaba (who was the youngest Jedi to sit on the Council and was the ex-padawan of Mace Windu) turned to the dark side and had to be put down. Oh, I didn't even mention the mistreatment of Anakin's padawan on The Clone Wars TV Show. And then Yoda's advice to Anakin, was to let Padme die. Excellent!

The worse part was that they were convinced that he was the Chosen One. And treated him that badly.

- The transformation of Anakin - It was done very badly. Interestingly, it was done excellently on the novel which was published a month before the book. Entire parts when he got transforrmed were skipped. Like his dialogue with Palpatine, when Palps admits that he is the Sith Lord. I would highly recommend to anyone to read that novel. Here he just simply decided to become evil in the space of a few minutes. In fact, we don't even know on the movies his relation with Palps. That was much more closer than we saw on the movie. Basically, Palps was the third most important person on Anakin's life.

- Suicide against the Sith Lord - [Windu's logic] We know that he is more powerful than us, and chances that we'll win are slim, and Anakin has most chances to win against him, but screw that, I am going to fight him. Why the feck he didn't wait for Yoda and Kenobi? Him with Yoda most likely would have defeated Palps. Add Kenobi on equation (who was the only one who could have controlled Skywalker) and they would have definitely win. But no, again he was shown to be a massive bellend.

- I have the higher ground - Despite it's critics, it was done good. Skywalker was slightly more powerful then Kenobi and Kenobi knew that. Anyway, considering that he had trained Skywalker, he knew exactly how he fights so he could defend well against Skywalker. Defeating him was more difficult though. But Kenobi was the cunniest Jedo of his time, so he played on Anakin's arrogance. While Kenobi was at a better position, Skywalker could have easily landed somewhere else and continue the fight. But Kenobi saying to him 'don't do it Anakin, I have the higher ground' was basically a challenge to Anakin. And Anakin went for it, while Kenobi was anticipating that move. It was a good job by Lucas, but because he was so shit on all other things, people don't give him credit for that and think that Kenobi only won because he had the higher ground. Oh by the way why was skipped the best line of dialogue on the novel?

'This is the end for you my Master'
'I have heard this many times Anakin. I never thought that I would hear it from you' was replaced on the movie by 'I have failed you Anakin'. Feck knows!

- Anakin and Padme - The biggest question is was Padme really beautiful, was she beautiful because she was in love or wasn't she beautiful but she looked beautiful to Anakin because he was in love. Losing the will to live should be added in medicine as one of the reason why people die.
Planet blows up because of the firepower of 3 hataks? A dozen hataks couldn't even dent an ori ship and our 304 destroyed the same ori ship with 2-3 shots with our uber asgard beams.
 
I read it. Good stuff. Mostly understood it too.
 
Also can I add something that pissed me off about Revenge, apart from all the stuff listed here, is that they ended and did the big musical finale for... Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru, whose highest achievement doesn't amount to being even the most famous burn victims in this series of films.
 
But then as you said the ROTS novelisation gives a much better insight into this - Yoda's realisation that he'd been training the Jedi to defeat the previous era's Sith meaning that they'd lost this fight before it had even begun was something that I thought should have found its way into the film.

Well yeah, but they had still the numbers. If Mace Windu wouldn't have been the biggest retard of all the time and would have waited for Yoda for a few days (and send an ecrypted signal to all the Jedi to be careful and return to Corruscant) than they would have won. With the death of General Grievous and Count Dooku, the seperatist army wasn't functional. So there was no hurry to continue fighting, when it became clear that the main evil was Chancellor himself.

Even worse (in the book) Windu talked with Yoda and they decided that it was the best time to act. The two other senior idiot Master (Tiin and Kolar) just obeyed while the young Master Kit Fistu actually adviced Windu to wait for Yoda and/or Kenobi, because in that way they would have more chance to win. Of course, he was ridiculed for this by Tiin. Morale of the story, when you become a member of the High Council on time your intelligence will decrease.

Just look at Obi-Wan, very intelligent in the prequels, completely idiot on the original trilogy. The reason for that was because in prequels he was a Padawan and then a Knight (on TPM), a Master (on AOTC) and a member of the High Council (on ROTS). So he started to become an idiot on the third movie (by not killing Darth Vader, although in the end this somehow resulted in a good thing) and 20 years later he decided that because Jedi should be trained since childhood, to do exactly the contrary. Start training Luke when he is 18. And then decide to die because you'll help him more as a voice. Oh, and he lied to him about Darth Vader which resulted in Luke leaving his training to Yoda.

Also, while Tatooine wasn't a part of the Galactic Republic/Empire and Vader had no reason to go there because he never had any relation with Owen/Beiru, still, why the hell he send them there. For a beginning they weren't his family at all. And Tatooine was a dangerous place. And Vader knew that Padme was pregnant.

Going into the process of rewritting the story, in order to hide Luke/Leia, wouldn't have been better if Vader actually never knew that Padme was pregnant?
 
I watched all 6 in one day. Im not sure it would be possible to watch all 9!
 
Just look at Obi-Wan, very intelligent in the prequels, completely idiot on the original trilogy. The reason for that was because in prequels he was a Padawan and then a Knight (on TPM), a Master (on AOTC) and a member of the High Council (on ROTS). So he started to become an idiot on the third movie (by not killing Darth Vader, although in the end this somehow resulted in a good thing) and 20 years later he decided that because Jedi should be trained since childhood, to do exactly the contrary. Start training Luke when he is 18. And then decide to die because you'll help him more as a voice. Oh, and he lied to him about Darth Vader which resulted in Luke leaving his training to Yoda.

Also, while Tatooine wasn't a part of the Galactic Republic/Empire and Vader had no reason to go there because he never had any relation with Owen/Beiru, still, why the hell he send them there. For a beginning they weren't his family at all. And Tatooine was a dangerous place. And Vader knew that Padme was pregnant.

Going into the process of rewritting the story, in order to hide Luke/Leia, wouldn't have been better if Vader actually never knew that Padme was pregnant?

Don't you think that Obi-Wan only 'acted' an idiot in the OT to keep up the facade of him being crazy old Ben? His "If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can ever imagine" was completely justified. His skills must've seriously declined in his solitude on Tatooine and realising that he could help Luke escape whilst still being able to mentor him as a force ghost was the best option?

Also, whilst on Mustafar how could he possibly have killed someone he held so dearly? After chopping off someones limbs and then watching them burst in a ball of flames, I too would expect that the person would die. Same thing with Padme, he thought she was dead, assuming the child he believed she was carrying to also have died.

The Tatooine business was also, I believe, because Anakin would never have ventured back to the place where he grew up and watched his mother die. In retrospect, this was the place where he fell to the darkside after slaughtering those Tusken Raiders.

However, saying that I feel much of the story was restricted in the PT because of what came in the OT however it generally flowed pretty well. The majority of stuff left out in the films is more than made up in the extended universe forms.
 
Don't you think that Obi-Wan only 'acted' an idiot in the OT to keep up the facade of him being crazy old Ben? His "If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can ever imagine" was completely justified. His skills must've seriously declined in his solitude on Tatooine and realising that he could help Luke escape whilst still being able to mentor him as a force ghost was the best option?

Nope, he was very powerful on ANH. Maybe his lightsaber skills weren't as good as before but still he was powerful. A few years on solitude he defeated the Jedi who later became the powerful Darth Krayt. His force skills on ANH were higher than in ROTS (of course, if we also base things on EU). I think that he could have managed to survive the duell with Vader if he wanted.

The most important question is why he didn't start training Luke earlie. He was the last hope (well Leia too but she was ignored) so why the training didn't begin when Luke was a kid? In retrospective, this was a good thing, cause in that case Luke would have become a regular Jedi i.e. an idiot.

Also, whilst on Mustafar how could he possibly have killed someone he held so dearly? After chopping off someones limbs and then watching them burst in a ball of flames, I too would expect that the person would die. Same thing with Padme, he thought she was dead, assuming the child he believed she was carrying to also have died.

Vader wasn't anymore Anakin. Kenobi knew that. He still loved him, but Ani (do you like this AN!) was gone. He decided to leave his fate to the Force. In turn Vader killed a lot of Jedi after that. And Kenobi went there to kill him anyway. Leaving him chopped on that way, wasn't that big mercy. Vader suffered for the last 2 decades more than any other person in SW universe (both physically and emotionaly). He lost everything, betrayed everything that had some value for him and in the end became only a puppet to someone he hated. Killing him would have been mercy.

However, saying that I feel much of the story was restricted in the PT because of what came in the OT however it generally flowed pretty well. The majority of stuff left out in the films is more than made up in the extended universe forms.

For sure. The biggest thing is Leia remembering Padme which doesn't make sense, but otherwise it's fine.

And despite my critics, Evan McGregor was brilliant IMO and gave a service to Obi-Wan Kenobi. On OT he was a mysterious character that I didn't give a shit about him, but after PT he became by far my favorite character on Star Wars movies.
 
Nope, he was very powerful on ANH. Maybe his lightsaber skills weren't as good as before but still he was powerful. A few years on solitude he defeated the Jedi who later became the powerful Darth Krayt. His force skills on ANH were higher than in ROTS (of course, if we also base things on EU). I think that he could have managed to survive the duell with Vader if he wanted.

The most important question is why he didn't start training Luke earlie. He was the last hope (well Leia too but she was ignored) so why the training didn't begin when Luke was a kid? In retrospective, this was a good thing, cause in that case Luke would have become a regular Jedi i.e. an idiot.



Vader wasn't anymore Anakin. Kenobi knew that. He still loved him, but Ani (do you like this AN!) was gone. He decided to leave his fate to the Force. In turn Vader killed a lot of Jedi after that. And Kenobi went there to kill him anyway. Leaving him chopped on that way, wasn't that big mercy. Vader suffered for the last 2 decades more than any other person in SW universe (both physically and emotionaly). He lost everything, betrayed everything that had some value for him and in the end became only a puppet to someone he hated. Killing him would have been mercy.



For sure. The biggest thing is Leia remembering Padme which doesn't make sense, but otherwise it's fine.

And despite my critics, Evan McGregor was brilliant IMO and gave a service to Obi-Wan Kenobi. On OT he was a mysterious character that I didn't give a shit about him, but after PT he became by far my favorite character on Star Wars movies.


I agree Obi could potentially have survived the duel but I believe survive is all he could have done. We have to remember that Anakin, even as Vader, knew Obi-Wans fighting style inside out and Obi-Wan knew Anakins inside out, hence why they were so evenly matched on Mustafar whilst Anakin was stronger in the force. However, with him donning the suit, his entire fighting style changed, Vader relied more on brute strength to overpower his enemies rather than the finesse of form V. This surely would have thrown Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan saw an opportunity to allow them to escape and he took it.

The second paragraph I agree with completely, it was a very harsh thing to do and killing him instead of leaving him to suffer would have spared him a lot of pain and possibly spared a lot of Jedi had Sidious not found another apprentice. I can only assume Obi-Wan didn't have it in him to kill the boy who might as well have been his son.

The line about her mother always being sad is one that his irked me forever. It is quite possibly my biggest gripe with Star Wars. And Ewan, what a man. If you were an Alien and had never seen Star Wars before, you could come to the conclusion that it was Alec Guinness whom studied Ewan instead of the otherway around. If Obi-Wan gets a spinoff or makes an appearance in the ST, Ewan HAS to play him.
 
I agree Obi could potentially have survived the duel but I believe survive is all he could have done. We have to remember that Anakin, even as Vader, knew Obi-Wans fighting style inside out and Obi-Wan knew Anakins inside out, hence why they were so evenly matched on Mustafar whilst Anakin was stronger in the force. However, with him donning the suit, his entire fighting style changed, Vader relied more on brute strength to overpower his enemies rather than the finesse of form V. This surely would have thrown Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan saw an opportunity to allow them to escape and he took it.

The second paragraph I agree with completely, it was a very harsh thing to do and killing him instead of leaving him to suffer would have spared him a lot of pain and possibly spared a lot of Jedi had Sidious not found another apprentice. I can only assume Obi-Wan didn't have it in him to kill the boy who might as well have been his son.

The line about her mother always being sad is one that his irked me forever. It is quite possibly my biggest gripe with Star Wars. And Ewan, what a man. If you were an Alien and had never seen Star Wars before, you could come to the conclusion that it was Alec Guinness whom studied Ewan instead of the otherway around. If Obi-Wan gets a spinoff or makes an appearance in the ST, Ewan HAS to play him.
Yep, Kenobi wouldn't have a chance to defeat Vader (mostly becase of age and Vader now was more powerful and less arrogant then 20 years before) but maybe could have survived.

Have you seen the Clone Wars TV show? James Arnold Taylor did an excellent job on portraying Kenobi. It's really hard to realize that it isn't the voice of Ewan. Ewan was definitely much better than Alex Guiness as Obi-Wan.
 
Yep, Kenobi wouldn't have a chance to defeat Vader (mostly becase of age and Vader now was more powerful and less arrogant then 20 years before) but maybe could have survived.

Have you seen the Clone Wars TV show? James Arnold Taylor did an excellent job on portraying Kenobi. It's really hard to realize that it isn't the voice of Ewan. Ewan was definitely much better than Alex Guiness as Obi-Wan.

Yeah mate, JT was sublime. Incredibly disappointed he didn't narrate the Kenobi novel but I guess it is what it is. The Clone Wars was good, I think I missed the end of it but did Ashoka die or did she just leave?
 
One thing i never got is that the death star can blow up an entire planet with one shot, but the same firepower applied to that brown squid's ship only makes a slight explosion.
 
One thing i never got is that the death star can blow up an entire planet with one shot, but the same firepower applied to that brown squid's ship only makes a slight explosion.
It wasn't fully operational in ROTJ was it?