You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
This is stupid.
We are not abandoning our youth team. We have let them flourish. We have let our young players become some of the biggest stars in the world.
If the players are good enough they will come through. Most of our star reserve players have turned into mush, look at Greening, he was one of our best!
The answer is to get the best players, simple as that. If you get them from a young age thats good. Right now we have some of the best, and few players in the world can replace them or improve them, nevermind youth team players.
We are not abandoning our youth team. We have let them flourish. We have let our young players become some of the biggest stars in the world.
If the players are good enough they will come through. Most of our star reserve players have turned into mush, look at Greening, he was one of our best!
The answer is to get the best players, simple as that. If you get them from a young age thats good. Right now we have some of the best, and few players in the world can replace them or improve them, nevermind youth team players.
veron004
Guest
Originally posted by antohan:
<strong>
So Duscher lunging into it studs first had nothing to do with it. Beckham's metatarsal was just stressed.
Right.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually Duscher never made contact with Beckham's foot as endless replays and photographs have shown. He broke it taking off as he tried to leap out of the way of Duscher's lunge.
It is a fact that a break in the metatarsal bone is rare. Where it does occur it is usually a stress fracture - most commonly seen among soldiers as a consequence of marching. The fact that G. Neville also suffered an almost identical injury sparked much debate over here as to whether
(a) the modern football boot was sufficient support for the foot.
(b) Beckham (and Neville) had overplayed in recent seasons as the problem builds over time. Gary Neville in particular has been an ever present and Beckham not far behind season in, season out.
As this WC illustrated - the world's top players more often than not failed to perform due to being jaded. This is when injuries are most likely to occur.
veron004
Guest
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>
He might push Giggs or else sneek in due to an injury, but there's no way he'd push Beckham. Duff might be fanastic at running at defenders, but his crossing and ability to score from set pieces aren't even on the same planet as Beckham's.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm not suggesting that Duff is a like for like replacement for Becks. Maybe it's just me but I don't think Beckham has been as prolific in his crossing recently. This has been due to the fact that teams know his game. He doesn't beat players through pace or a trick but by hitting the ball early.
One of the problems that we faced in the CL was that teams appeared to neutralise Becks and Giggs which stifled much of our creativity (hence the call for a creative midfielder a la Veron). They stifled Beckham by two players always pressing him early and not giving him the time to make the cross/pass.
Duff would give us different options as he excells in wriggling past defenders.
As for the free kicks - Veron is equally as lethal.
veron004
Guest
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>This is stupid.
We are not abandoning our youth team. We have let them flourish. We have let our young players become some of the biggest stars in the world.
If the players are good enough they will come through. Most of our star reserve players have turned into mush, look at Greening, he was one of our best!
The answer is to get the best players, simple as that. If you get them from a young age thats good. Right now we have some of the best, and few players in the world can replace them or improve them, nevermind youth team players.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The issue, as documented throughout the thread, is a clear moving towards purchasing ready made star players. The problem that Utd face is there is so much more at stake (stiffer Prem opposition & CL money) that they can't afford youth players the time to break in and learn through mistakes as they did in the past.
Originally posted by veron004:
<strong>
I'm not suggesting that Duff is a like for like replacement for Becks. Maybe it's just me but I don't think Beckham has been as prolific in his crossing recently. This has been due to the fact that teams know his game. He doesn't beat players through pace or a trick but by hitting the ball early.
One of the problems that we faced in the CL was that teams appeared to neutralise Becks and Giggs which stifled much of our creativity (hence the call for a creative midfielder a la Veron). They stifled Beckham by two players always pressing him early and not giving him the time to make the cross/pass.
Duff would give us different options as he excells in wriggling past defenders.
As for the free kicks - Veron is equally as lethal.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Crossing, acuracy, and set pieces - Beckham is still the best in the world at these. Oh and then he also knocked in 16 goals despite missing a significant chunk of time during the Christmas period, and after the Duscher injury. The only midfielder who scored more than Beckham is Ballack, who is an excellent finisher, but lacks the set piece skills.
veron004
Guest
I think Beckham is superb. Everything you say is true. The goals last season simply demonstrated that he is now unquestionably among the very elite. I remember a number of people on this site when Beckham was shortlisted for world footballer of the year questioning his lack of goals. He's answered that. He's the real deal - no question.
But we cannot realistically expect Beckham to play week in week out without rest. His recent injury has demonstrated that we do not have adequate cover. Duff would get a lot of games IMHO - covering Giggs and Becks and possibly behind RVN.
Duff would also offer defences a different set of problems to Beckham. With two wingers (Giggs on the left) running and terrorising defences it would create a lot of chances especially against well organised defences (e.g. Duff in Ireland v Germany game in the WC).
But we cannot realistically expect Beckham to play week in week out without rest. His recent injury has demonstrated that we do not have adequate cover. Duff would get a lot of games IMHO - covering Giggs and Becks and possibly behind RVN.
Duff would also offer defences a different set of problems to Beckham. With two wingers (Giggs on the left) running and terrorising defences it would create a lot of chances especially against well organised defences (e.g. Duff in Ireland v Germany game in the WC).
I'm all for us signing Duff, since you're right he would definitely be the best cover for Becks and Giggsy. Ideally, it would be fantastic if we could slowly (over a 2 year period or so) transition Duff into Giggs' role and have Ryan play a more ambassadorial role on the left or in the hole.
veron004
Guest
I'm sure that's what Fergie has in mind. It's a double edged thing - cover to take the pressure off when Giggs' hamstring gets tight and he needs to rest and pressure for Giggs to perform to his best when he is playing.
Looking at the transfer forum and the Ronaldinho spec, assuming it's true (big assumption) do you think it's a case of either him or Duff or both?
Looking at the transfer forum and the Ronaldinho spec, assuming it's true (big assumption) do you think it's a case of either him or Duff or both?
Share: