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Tottenham fix sights on Suarez as key figures question Beckham bid

Striker is Redknapp's priority as Ajax hint at £17m price tag for Uruguayan / Deal would depend on Keane move

By Sam Wallace, Football Correspondent

The Uruguayan striker Luis Suarez is a target for Tottenham Hotspur this transfer window and his club Ajax have indicated privately that they would be prepared to sell the player for a fee of around £17m.


The decision on Suarez was the key issue at the club before Harry Redknapp raised the possibility of the loan signing of David Beckham on Friday which has dominated over the weekend. However, there are doubts among key figures at Spurs as to whether signing Beckham until March would be a wise move – and even Redknapp is thought to be less sure than he might have indicated.

While Redknapp has changed his mind dramatically in the past on major decisions, including those in his own managerial career, the indications yesterday were that Spurs would not follow-up with their interest in Beckham.

Redknapp, whose side play Everton at Goodison Park tomorrow, has been told by chairman Daniel Levy he will have funds to spend in the transfer window but a priority is a striker with Robbie Keane on his way out this month.
The prospect of signing Suarez, 23, is regarded as more in keeping with the club's possibility of signing young talent at good value and the debate at Spurs is whether he would be able to replicate his prolific Dutch league goalscoring in the Premier League.

The total cost of a deal for Suarez is also likely to break Spurs' relatively modest current transfer record of around £15.5m for Luka Modric. Impressive at the World Cup finals in South Africa, Suarez interested Spurs last summer and the signs from Ajax are that they are now prepared to cash in on a player who is regarded as one of the best in the Dutch league.

Redknapp will have the final say and he is not completely convinced of the Suarez's capacity to succeed in the English game. Any deal would also be contingent on moving on Keane for whom Spurs expect to have offers this month from the likes of Everton, Newcastle, Birmingham City and Stoke City.

The disadvantage for Spurs is that Suarez is also cup-tied for the Champions League group stages. The top goalscorer in the Dutch league with 35 last season, he has been the subject of controversy this season after he was suspended for seven games by the Dutch football association, the KNVB, in November for biting the shoulder of opponent Otman Bakkal in a game against PSV Eindhoven.

As for Beckham, the player's representatives know that they face major opposition from within the Major League Soccer hierarchy at yet another loan deal. Quite apart from the Achilles injury Beckham suffered playing for Milan in March, the MLS feel that his annual trips back to play in Europe over the past two years have diminished his value to their "brand".

They fear that the inevitable attention that would surround his return to the Premier League would see him regarded more as Tottenham's property than that of the Los Angeles Galaxy whose season begins in March.

Beckham's management team will negotiate with the MLS over the next week to get some understanding on whether he can go on loan to Europe over the next three months. The player has a preference for Spurs, although his spokesman said yesterday that more than one offer was on the table.

The story was ignited by Redknapp who said in his press conference that he was interested in the 35-year-old, thus contradicting everything said by the club up to that point. Redknapp's decision to express a public interest in Beckham is understood to have been impulsive and provoked by his frustration at David Bentley, who had pulled out of a training session.


Tottenham fix sights on Suarez as key figures question Beckham bid - Premier League, Football - The Independent
 
He has got a lot of bad credit after biting a player as well as the awful handball this World Cup... It seems that he has fallen a bit out with Ajax because of that behaviour. There are no way he would leave for £17m last January. He would be a brilliant signing for Spurs of course, his goal record in Holland is outstanding. They have a strong attacking midfield but lacks a top class forward, Suarez might give them that. With Lennon, Bale and Suarez they really could acquire some deadly counter attacks.

It would surely make the battle for the top 4 spots way more interesting.
 
How many strikers do Spurs need?

It's not about how many, it's about having the best and I would gladly trade Macheda and Owen for having Suarez in our ranks...I'm sure they'd do the same for Suarez and bin off Keane and possibly Pavlychenko.
Suarez copped some grief for the handball in the WC and the biting, but Ronaldo copped some grief in 2006 for his unsportsmanship and I'm sure all of us would still have him at United.
Other great players have had their moments too...Maradona got sent off a fair bit in his younger days for example (I'm not comparing Suarez to Maradona), but you take them on their ability, of which Suarez has bucket-loads....
 
With Pavelyuchenko blowing very hot and cold(mostly cold), Keane frozen out and probably on his way out, Crouch only bench quality at this level and Defoe uncomfortable upfront on his own and a very streaky scorer it's hardly a ridiculous stretch for them to add someone of genuine quality up front?

I'm surprised at how highly some people think of Suarez but he's clearly an improvement on all of their strikers regardless.
 
How many strikers do Spurs need?

It is not a matter of how many, its a matter of how good they are. If Tottenham are going to step up from where they are today they need better strikers. If Suarez can cut it in the Premier League, he would be a improvement to the ones they have. Tottenham does not have too many strikers at all.
 
With Pavelyuchenko blowing very hot and cold(mostly cold), Keane frozen out and probably on his way out, Crouch only bench quality at this level and Defoe uncomfortable upfront on his own and a very streaky scorer it's hardly a ridiculous stretch for them to add someone of genuine quality up front?

I'm surprised at how highly some people think of Suarez but he's clearly an improvement on all of their strikers regardless.

Exactly.

They're crying out for a top level striker.

They could do worse than go for Adebayor if City get Dzeko as well.
 
It is not a matter of how many, its a matter of how good they are. If Tottenham are going to step up from where they are today they need better strikers. If Suarez can cut it in the Premier League, he would be a improvement to the ones they have. Tottenham does not have too many strikers at all.

Spot on...it's not about having numbers in a squad, or even having a good squad, it's about having the best possible starting eleven for each and every match you play because at the end of the day, you only start with eleven players each per match...
 
Spurs are playing with one striker upfront often now. So having a lot of strikers is not going to help. They have Defoe, Crouch and Roman for sure with Keane heading out. But they need more quality. They should sell Keane and Roman and get Suarez and maybe use one of their young strikers or get someone on loan. But then again their players get injured so often, so it is good for them to have backup.
 
He has got a lot of bad credit after biting a player as well as the awful handball this World Cup... It seems that he has fallen a bit out with Ajax because of that behaviour. There are no way he would leave for £17m last January. He would be a brilliant signing for Spurs of course, his goal record in Holland is outstanding. They have a strong attacking midfield but lacks a top class forward, Suarez might give them that. With Lennon, Bale and Suarez they really could acquire some deadly counter attacks.

It would surely make the battle for the top 4 spots way more interesting.

He's still Ajax captain as far as I'm aware. And if he's fallen out with Ajax its because he's got himself sent off and banned needlessly, several times this season. He's also tried to do too much himself in the champions league games.

This season he doesnt have a good goalscoring record. He's not even Ajax's top scorer
 
He's still Ajax captain as far as I'm aware. And if he's fallen out with Ajax its because he's got himself sent off and banned needlessly, several times this season. He's also tried to do too much himself in the champions league games.

This season he doesnt have a good goalscoring record. He's not even Ajax's top scorer

To reply like this. When we were linked to him last January, we were talking a lot bigger money than £20m, probably more than £30m... Now he is linked away to both Tottenham and Liverpool for a few millions less than £20m. And if that happens, he has went down a bit. He has scored 7 goals on 13 league appearances according to wikipedia. If so, that is not a bad goalratio at all, considering this has been a bad season for him as well.

If he were to join Tottenham, that would be a very strong signing, who potentially would make them a lot better. If Suarez can cut it in the Premier Leauge that is, and one can never know. It is faster, more physical game than anywhere else. It would be worth every penny it would cost Tottenham too because with Dzeko heading for Manchester City, it would be a investment which would make it far more likely for them to make it into that important 4th spot, even though he could not help them in Europe.
 
I love how Harry Redknap manages like he's playing FM.

Most of our signings are relativley unknown. All he does is pick up players that have had high praise for sometime, yet manages to get them cheap, even if most of them are hunchbacks and hasbins.
 
I love how Harry Redknap manages like he's playing FM... All he does is pick up players that have had high praise for sometime ...
Like Khumalo, Pletikosa, Sandro, Naughton, Bassong, Kaboul, Kranjcar and Walker you mean?

These 8 players account for more than half the signings made by Redknapp at Spurs.
 
To reply like this. When we were linked to him last January, we were talking a lot bigger money than £20m, probably more than £30m...

Who was talking about him being more than £20 million? Transfer muppets? Well thats not surprising. Who isnt worth more than £20 million to them?

Now he is linked away to both Tottenham and Liverpool for a few millions less than £20m. And if that happens, he has went down a bit.

Not at all. His price should go down since he isnt doing that well, but has it gone down? How the hell would you know? No club officially came in for him and bid at £20 million, so even if someone does now, how do you know that it would have taken more than that in previous windows? You dont. Since you havent spoken to Ajax.

He has scored 7 goals on 13 league appearances according to wikipedia. If so, that is not a bad goalratio at all, considering this has been a bad season for him as well.

How about, watch him play and score goals rather than relying on wikipedia as your scout.

If he were to join Tottenham, that would be a very strong signing, who potentially would make them a lot better. If Suarez can cut it in the Premier Leauge that is, and one can never know. It is faster, more physical game than anywhere else. It would be worth every penny it would cost Tottenham too because with Dzeko heading for Manchester City, it would be a investment which would make it far more likely for them to make it into that important 4th spot, even though he could not help them in Europe.

He'd be a good signing for them I agree. But £20 million is a lot of money for A) A player in the Netherlands. B) A player who isnt playing well, a striker who is having discipline problems and not even his teams top scorer

£20 million was a fair fee when he was scoring every week. Now it should come down and if Spurs can get him for a bit under that, then sure good deal.
 
Who was talking about him being more than £20 million? Transfer muppets? Well thats not surprising. Who isnt worth more than £20 million to them?

During the times when the media linked him to us, according to several media FC Ajax Amsderdam general manager Rik van den Boog said it would take £35m for him to move to United. Manchester United is a big club and leads to journalists asking questions, I have no doubt that such a quote might be the case. In a world cup year, and as he did that good, £35m hat is probably true. You can find that with a easy google search, I remember it from last season.

How about, watch him play and score goals rather than relying on wikipedia as your scout.

Good point, and I have seen him, several times - many on whom he were great. But I do not have the opportunity, or the will to see every single Ajax game. In this context, I used wikipedia to attack a false claim by you that he had a bad goalscoring record. His goalscoring record this season is rather good, especially when you take into consideration all the bad press and distractions he has suffered this season. The ability of seemingly handling such pressure is impressive.

Not at all. His price should go down since he isnt doing that well, but has it gone down? How the hell would you know? No club officially came in for him and bid at £20 million, so even if someone does now, how do you know that it would have taken more than that in previous windows? You don't. Since you haven't spoken to Ajax.
£20 million was a fair fee when he was scoring every week. Now it should come down and if Spurs can get him for a bit under that, then sure good deal.

I don't know how he did the first half of last season, but I would bet he did better the second half than the first half, 7 goals in 13 matches is very impressive. He has done amazing in Europe 5 goals in 8 matches there (I know that is likely to be against some pretty shady opposition). And you cant look at shit like this on a matter of months. You need to look for as long a time as possible, and Suarez has been great down there for years. And we are talking about the January window, and that matters, because it is very hard to replace him now, something that will be a lot easier in the summer... and that might be relevant weather they make a Champions League spot or not, something that is worth a colossal amount of money. I bet we are talking more than £20m. Right now - Ajax is down at fifth, not more than 2 points behind last years winners Twente whom are three places above them, but still, selling such a goalscorer makes it less likely.

£20m is a bargain. Werther he is proven in Italy, Spain, France, Germany or Holland. Veron, Mutu, Dossena, Aquilani, are examples that came from Italy probably the second best league in the world only to fail in England. Drogba, Essien, Carvalho, van Nistelrooy big name signings from the lesser leagues whom turned out great. Tottenham cant get the best players of Italy or Spain, if they can get the best in Holland, they are getting the best value they could possibly measure as domestic options (always favoured) are non-existent at the moment.

I used the same about Lindegaard in another post. Lindegaard has proven in Scandinavia that he can handle on being ganged up on in the box. A Spanish goalkeeper cant prove that, because it barely happens in Spain. You dont see teams with tactics like Stoke or Newcastle, and it would not work - because the ref protects the goalkeeper and give him free kicks at almost anything. That is a similarity between England and Scandinavia but a difference between Spain and England. I believe that De Gea might get a big challenge in England there if we opted to get him, and if our next goalkeeper gets big problems (if we sign one and I think Ferguson will) I think Lindegaard will win the spot, because he is a truly talented goalkeeper. But all the data I have to make my opinion is for international matches and the weak Norwegian league.
 
Suarez has scored 140 goals in three and a half seasons for Ajax.
That's averaging 40 goals per season; this is obviously bumped by his 49 goals last season but still, he has an excellent goal ratio.
He currently has 13 goals in 23 appearances this season for Ajax; what's so bad about that?
This guy is sheer class in terms of footballing ability, he may be a bit of a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime but he can kick a ball.
Put it this way, Ruud van Nistelrooy didn't have a very good season in 2000/01 which was the season before we signed him but we still did. In fact he didn't even play due to a cruciate injury, but we still bought him!
Different scenario of course, but here's another one; Henrik Larsson scores 53 goals for Celtic in a season but considered irrelevant because it was in Scotland, but then went and played 42 games for Barca in their La Liga/CL trophy winning season of 2005/06 with fifteen goals along the way at the age of 35.
There's a lot of snobbiness toward the fact Suarez plies his trade in Ajax and all these goals don't count because they're in an inferior league.
Ruud never scored the amount of goals for PSV as he did for United; the fact was he moved to a better team with better players, better delivery etc and he profited from that.
A goalscorer like Suarez will profit in a good team like Spurs, United, Chelsea etc with the amount of distribution they can provide him...
 
His goalscoring record this season is rather good, especially when you take into consideration all the bad press and distractions he has suffered this season. The ability of seemingly handling such pressure is impressive.

Add to that he had a baby born a few days after the World Cup, anyone who has kids will know that it throws your life and sleeping pattern into disarray for a fair few months. Yes, he is a professional footballer, but he is also human.

He has done amazing in Europe 5 goals in 8 matches there (I know that is likely to be against some pretty shady opposition).

The shadiest was Panathinaikos, not exactly the worst quality around.

Ekeke has always hated his guts. I didn't want him at OT either, although I have a lot more time for him after the WC. But as far as Spurs goes, he would certainly improve them, particularly because he is quite versatile which should suit their style.
 
Suarez is a top quality player, so he's having a (relatively) poor season, but have you ever heard the saying "form is temporary, class is permanent"? Perfectly sums up his talent.

Also he has fantastic commitment and is a player I have a lot of time for since the world cup.
 
Suarez is a top quality player, so he's having a (relatively) poor season, but have you ever heard the saying "form is temporary, class is permanent"? Perfectly sums up his talent.

Also he has fantastic commitment and is a player I have a lot of time for since the world cup.

Yeh that handball was pure class!
 
Yeh that handball was pure class!

His footballing ability is class, in terms of intentional handballs and biting lads on the field, well that's a bit contentious obviously.
What I will say is Solskjaer was once applauded for a professional foul on Robert Lee which earned him a straight red card in order to save the Newcastle player a clear one-on-one with the goalie. Another way of looking at it would be Solskjaer is a cheat for denying Lee a chance to score by illegally stopping him intentionally.
Kanchelskis handballed on the line versus Villa to stop a certain goal and was sent off for his troubles in 1994 at Wembley.
Jimmy Case once intentionally tripped Robson who was storming through the Southampton half to stop him in early 1991, and Robson got up and shook his hand before Case jogged off not even bothering to see if he was red-carded or not (which he was).
It's all horses for courses mate...
 
How can we fit him into the squad though?

Rooney, Berbatov, Welbeck, Macheda, Hernadez.

Even if we decided to get rid of Macheda or Welbeck thats still 4 strikers and with Berbatov coming good this season, I don't expect him to be leaving in the summer. So we'd have to sacrifice both Welbeck and Macheda for it to happen imo. Then we'd have 4 top class strikers and only 2 or in some cases 1 spot to fill.

He's the right player but at the wrong time m'afraid.
 
How can we fit him into the squad though?

Rooney, Berbatov, Welbeck, Macheda, Hernadez.

Even if we decided to get rid of Macheda or Welbeck thats still 4 strikers and with Berbatov coming good this season, I don't expect him to be leaving in the summer. So we'd have to sacrifice both Welbeck and Macheda for it to happen imo. Then we'd have 4 top class strikers and only 2 or in some cases 1 spot to fill.

He's the right player but at the wrong time m'afraid.

I think you're confused mate, the thread is about Suarez going to Spurs, not United...
 
His footballing ability is class, in terms of intentional handballs and biting lads on the field, well that's a bit contentious obviously.
What I will say is Solskjaer was once applauded for a professional foul on Robert Lee which earned him a straight red card in order to save the Newcastle player a clear one-on-one with the goalie. Another way of looking at it would be Solskjaer is a cheat for denying Lee a chance to score by illegally stopping him intentionally.
Kanchelskis handballed on the line versus Villa to stop a certain goal and was sent off for his troubles in 1994 at Wembley.
Jimmy Case once intentionally tripped Robson who was storming through the Southampton half to stop him in early 1991, and Robson got up and shook his hand before Case jogged off not even bothering to see if he was red-carded or not (which he was).
It's all horses for courses mate...


I agree in general, but that one's hardly comparable!
 
During the times when the media linked him to us, according to several media FC Ajax Amsderdam general manager Rik van den Boog said it would take £35m for him to move to United. Manchester United is a big club and leads to journalists asking questions, I have no doubt that such a quote might be the case. In a world cup year, and as he did that good, £35m hat is probably true. You can find that with a easy google search, I remember it from last season.

Bruce was talking about the same figure for Henderson. You do understand why managers talk these ridiculous fees about their players dont you? Its to put any sane person off persuing them. But ultimately its a load of fluff and the club, not the manager, will accept a sensible deal.

He was decent at the world cup but Hernandez was better and he wasnt worth £35 million after it either.


Good point, and I have seen him, several times - many on whom he were great. But I do not have the opportunity, or the will to see every single Ajax game. In this context, I used wikipedia to attack a false claim by you that he had a bad goalscoring record. His goalscoring record this season is rather good, especially when you take into consideration all the bad press and distractions he has suffered this season. The ability of seemingly handling such pressure is impressive.

His goalscoring record is average (this season, which we were talking about) in an extremely poor league that the likes of Dirk Kuyt raped, when it was a much better league.

I don't know how he did the first half of last season, but I would bet he did better the second half than the first half, 7 goals in 13 matches is very impressive. He has done amazing in Europe 5 goals in 8 matches there (I know that is likely to be against some pretty shady opposition). And you cant look at shit like this on a matter of months. You need to look for as long a time as possible, and Suarez has been great down there for years. And we are talking about the January window, and that matters, because it is very hard to replace him now, something that will be a lot easier in the summer... and that might be relevant weather they make a Champions League spot or not, something that is worth a colossal amount of money. I bet we are talking more than £20m. Right now - Ajax is down at fifth, not more than 2 points behind last years winners Twente whom are three places above them, but still, selling such a goalscorer makes it less likely.

£20m is a bargain. Werther he is proven in Italy, Spain, France, Germany or Holland

You dont group the dutch league in with the rest. Thats ridiculous. Its a rubbish league that average players have looked gods in for a long time and then rarely failed to do much when playing in a league with footballers in it. Now people like yourself arent even going to take into account a player not playing well in this rubbish league? I suppose as long as he's banging them in for you in football manager
 
Add to that he had a baby born a few days after the World Cup, anyone who has kids will know that it throws your life and sleeping pattern into disarray for a fair few months. Yes, he is a professional footballer, but he is also human.



The shadiest was Panathinaikos, not exactly the worst quality around.

Ekeke has always hated his guts. I didn't want him at OT either, although I have a lot more time for him after the WC. But as far as Spurs goes, he would certainly improve them, particularly because he is quite versatile which should suit their style.
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