Spurs 2018/19

Mourinho's been here for 2 years Poch has been at Spurs for double that amount of time (and then some), no one in their right mind should be comparing that

Mourino has net spent £315m on transfers in the two years since he took over. That's more than six times as much as Pochettino has net spent in four years. Averaged out per year, means that Mourinho has spent more than twelve times as much per year in net terms.

If you figure in the wages bill too, then the comparison goes off the charts.

Should anyone in their right mind be comparing this?
 
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Mourino has net spent £315m on transfers in the two years since he took over. That's more than six times as much as Pochettino has net spent in four years. Averaged out per year, means that Mourinho has spent more than twelve times as much per year in net terms.

If you figure in the wages bill too, then the comparison goes off the charts.

Should anyone in their right mind be comparing this?

No
 
Mourino has net spent £315m on transfers in the two years since he took over. That's more than six times as much as Pochettino has net spent in four years. Averaged out per year, means that Mourinho has spent more than twelve times as much per year in net terms.

If you figure in the wages bill too, then the comparison goes off the charts.

Should anyone in their right mind be comparing this?

But he needs backing!
 
I'm struggling to see why you're debating grammatical semantics yet ignoring the point I made. Surely, as you say, Jose shouldn't be 'finished as Man Utd manager' because of that lovely League Cup trophy that you love to bleat on about from a couple of seasons back?



I wonder what the odds are on me being able to pull this post up before Christmas. Probably quite low.

I wonder why? Not like Manchester Utd have sacked their last two managers and are currently managed by someone who was sacked from his last job three months into the season, whom half of their fan base are calling to be sacked three games into the season :lol:

This is the Spurs thread?

You're taking it massively off topic so give it a rest please.
 
They will get top 4.. looks like it will be us and Arsenal missing out ..
we are already 6 points adrift..
 
They will get top 4.. looks like it will be us and Arsenal missing out ..
we are already 6 points adrift..

As much as I do think we're fully capable of top four, and as much as it looks like United are struggling ...

It's fecking 3 games in. 6 points is nothing. There are 35 games to play, we will inevitably have wobbles and nothing is guaranteed at all. People really need to stop making season long predictions based on the first few matches, so much can change from now until the end.
 
This.

This thread shouldn't be used as a big 'ha ha look at how good our manager is compared to yours!' fest ffs.

It's a shame for you guys as you have just had a great win and you have people like @GlastonSpur and @ShadesOfTomato trying to dick swing and wind up the United fans in your thread. Should be thread banned.

Anyway on Spurs... I think mentally tonight is big for you. In addition with the likes of Lucas, Son and Lamela you have some very good options to play the other big 5 away from home. If you wanted to soak up pressure and hit on the break you have the tools to do so. Looks promising.
 
It’s early but I think they’ll be in the top four. I always find myself writing them off in October/November when they drop a few points, but they always pull it back and have a solid foundation in their squad.
 
It's a shame for you guys as you have just had a great win and you have people like @GlastonSpur and @ShadesOfTomato trying to dick swing and wind up the United fans in your thread. Should be thread banned.

Anyway on Spurs... I think mentally tonight is big for you. In addition with the likes of Lucas, Son and Lamela you have some very good options to play the other big 5 away from home. If you wanted to soak up pressure and hit on the break you have the tools to do so. Looks promising.

Agreed. Celebrate a great win and focus on ourselves ffs, I'm pretty sure United fans have enough discussion about fecking Mourinho on the forum, and are perfectly aware of the issues with their team without us having a dig.

We were great tonight, perhaps not in terms of how we played (we've certainly looked far better) but the mentality we showed was fantastic. We were clinical, held the lead so well, and played it smart tactically. Some of the defending was excellent, it was a very mature performance and to win 3-0? Incredible. All the talk will be about how poor United were, but honestly I think you played well first half, could easily have led, and that the scoreline could easily had been different, we were so good in the key moments of the match, which is great to see.

Lamela's injury prone nature could be a worry, but I'm very excited about Lucas, I had my doubts about him but so far he's been a revelation. Playing on the counter tonight he was superb, gives us something Spurs fans have been missing for a long time. I think him and Kane could work fantastically well, as Kane's movement/hold up play as a striker is absolutely world class, allowing Lucas the space he needs to operate. Then vice versa a player who drags defenders towards him (as Lucas did on a number of occasions) frees up space for Kane.

I was worried about this season, but we've started fantastically, full credit to Poch and the team. I still have my doubts over depth and potential over-reliance on Dembele, but if we manage him well and take it one game at a time we should be good.
 
@SquishyMcSquish curious what you thought of Dembele? I have voyeured this thread from afar a la Wenger and while I agree with you that he is a ways off his best at this point, I thought he was generally very good tonight.

It was interesting to me that he ventured forward far less frequently than he has in the past; I'd be surprised if he set a single toe in the final third. Still, I thought he did an effective enough job in the middle of the pitch - at least until Wanyama is fit again.
 
Agreed. Celebrate a great win and focus on ourselves ffs, I'm pretty sure United fans have enough discussion about fecking Mourinho on the forum, and are perfectly aware of the issues with their team without us having a dig.

We were great tonight, perhaps not in terms of how we played (we've certainly looked far better) but the mentality we showed was fantastic. We were clinical, held the lead so well, and played it smart tactically. Some of the defending was excellent, it was a very mature performance and to win 3-0? Incredible. All the talk will be about how poor United were, but honestly I think you played well first half, could easily have led, and that the scoreline could easily had been different, we were so good in the key moments of the match, which is great to see.

Lamela's injury prone nature could be a worry, but I'm very excited about Lucas, I had my doubts about him but so far he's been a revelation. Playing on the counter tonight he was superb, gives us something Spurs fans have been missing for a long time. I think him and Kane could work fantastically well, as Kane's movement/hold up play as a striker is absolutely world class, allowing Lucas the space he needs to operate. Then vice versa a player who drags defenders towards him (as Lucas did on a number of occasions) frees up space for Kane.

I was worried about this season, but we've started fantastically, full credit to Poch and the team. I still have my doubts over depth and potential over-reliance on Dembele, but if we manage him well and take it one game at a time we should be good.

Thanks. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on United however I won't take up the Spurs thread.

I always wanted Lucas before he moved to PSG. We were close to getting him from what I recall but he picked the money at the time and went over there. His career stagnated a little but he always delivered good figures and was perhaps held back a little as PSG continued to displace him with new signings and treat him as second fiddle. This is a new beginning for him now and let's see how he does. Looks PL made to me. Pace, power, great dribbler and eye for goal. Was he in a front two set up today?
 
@SquishyMcSquish curious what you thought of Dembele? I have voyeured this thread from afar a la Wenger and while I agree with you that he is a ways off his best at this point, I thought he was generally very good tonight.

It was interesting to me that he ventured forward far less frequently than he has in the past; I'd be surprised if he set a single toe in the final third. Still, I thought he did an effective enough job in the middle of the pitch - at least until Wanyama is fit again.


I love Dembele. He's my favourite Spurs player to watch and I always wonder if people who don't rate him have played football before. Having a player in the team who is so comfortable on the ball, resistant to any kind of pressing, a player you know you can count on as a passing option? Brings so much calm to everybody. Is he a blockbuster player who scores or assists loads? No, but he's one of those players who is loved by his teammates and manager, and generally people who know the game well, and nearly all successful teams have them.

He's a big game player. Last season against the likes of Juventus, United and Liverpool, he was just such a dominating presence. He can match any player physically and when you're under pressure from elite sides, a CM who has the strength and technique to just hold the ball up and lay it off simply is invaluable.

Do I think he's declining? Yes, I think injuries have hampered him a little, and I have been worried about that for a while. We will obviously need to manage him well this season because he's very important for us in games against teams who have serious quality in midfield. I think my biggest worry is do we have the depth to rotate him well? Which I think depends fully on whether Winks can do well this season. When Dembele does leave, it'll be very difficult for us to find a player like him, he has rare qualities.
 
Thanks. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on United however I won't take up the Spurs thread.

I always wanted Lucas before he moved to PSG. We were close to getting him from what I recall but he picked the money at the time and went over there. His career stagnated a little but he always delivered good figures and was perhaps held back a little as PSG continued to displace him with new signings and treat him as second fiddle. This is a new beginning for him now and let's see how he does. Looks PL made to me. Pace, power, low, great dribbler and eye for goal. Was he in a front two set up today?

Seemed to me that Spurs played what is best described as 4-2-2-2 - Kane / Lucas up top, Eriksen just behind and on the right, Alli his counterpart on the left, with Dembele / Dier holding in midfield. Frankly, I don't think Spurs were particularly worried about United's wide play, hence why they were comfortable with such an aggressive system. It also might have been a reaction to United's 3 at the back - having two forwards press an error-prone back 3 is advantageous. Lucas dropped back a bit defensively on the right (possibly to counter Shaw's good play), but for the most part stayed high and central.
 
Thanks. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on United however I won't take up the Spurs thread.

I always wanted Lucas before he moved to PSG. We were close to getting him from what I recall but he picked the money at the time and went over there. His career stagnated a little but he always delivered good figures and was perhaps held back a little as PSG continued to displace him with new signings and treat him as second fiddle. This is a new beginning for him now and let's see how he does. Looks PL made to me. Pace, power, great dribbler and eye for goal. Was he in a front two set up today?

He was, and he excelled there. Don't think we'll be going with it for every game, but in matches where Kane can find himself starved of the ball (which has happened in previous games vs you) a partner like Lucas can be a real asset.
 
I love Dembele. He's my favourite Spurs player to watch and I always wonder if people who don't rate him have played football before. Having a player in the team who is so comfortable on the ball, resistant to any kind of pressing, a player you know you can count on as a passing option? Brings so much calm to everybody. Is he a blockbuster player who scores or assists loads? No, but he's one of those players who is loved by his teammates and manager, and generally people who know the game well, and nearly all successful teams have them.

He's a big game player. Last season against the likes of Juventus, United and Liverpool, he was just such a dominating presence. He can match any player physically and when you're under pressure from elite sides, a CM who has the strength and technique to just hold the ball up and lay it off simply is invaluable.

Do I think he's declining? Yes, I think injuries have hampered him a little, and I have been worried about that for a while. We will obviously need to manage him well this season because he's very important for us in games against teams who have serious quality in midfield. I think my biggest worry is do we have the depth to rotate him well? Which I think depends fully on whether Winks can do well this season. When Dembele does leave, it'll be very difficult for us to find a player like him, he has rare qualities.

Totally agree with all of this - Dembele is a monster of a player and for me it's especially telling that he is always cited by teammates as being the best dribbler, passer, strongest, etc. He reminds me a bit of Barcelona-era Yaya Toure - an absolute tank of a deep lying midfielder with all the technical qualities one could ever ask for.
 
Totally agree with all of this - Dembele is a monster of a player and for me it's especially telling that he is always cited by teammates as being the best dribbler, passer, strongest, etc. He reminds me a bit of Barcelona-era Yaya Toure - an absolute tank of a deep lying midfielder with all the technical qualities one could ever ask for.

The only weakness Dembele has is that he is slow in releasing the ball forward, his moments of brilliance in carrying the ball covers this but his attacking ability both in shooting and releasing the ball quickly and effectively is frustrating. Winks on the other hand doesn’t have the physical attributes of Dembele but damn he is always looking forward. Having said that I want to keep Dembele, he has an important role in the the 1st team.
 
The only weakness Dembele has is that he is slow in releasing the ball forward, his moments of brilliance in carrying the ball covers this but his attacking ability both in shooting and releasing the ball quickly and effectively is frustrating. Winks on the other hand doesn’t have the physical attributes of Dembele but damn he is always looking forward. Having said that I want to keep Dembele, he has an important role in the the 1st team.

That's fair; I suppose when you're one of the best dribblers statistically in Europe one might be somewhat reluctant to pass the ball. I do think his ability to carry the ball has outstripped his ability to pass; it will be interesting to see if he can adjust to a deeper role where he is restricted in his vertical movements.
 
As much as I do think we're fully capable of top four, and as much as it looks like United are struggling ...

It's fecking 3 games in. 6 points is nothing. There are 35 games to play, we will inevitably have wobbles and nothing is guaranteed at all. People really need to stop making season long predictions based on the first few matches, so much can change from now until the end.
Looks like it will be Jose's 3rd season syndrome this year .. I am not optimistic about this season, and unless we go on a 7-8 games winning run, I don't think we will get top 4 ..
 
How likely is it that Poch would take the Utd job if offered?/

Not very likely unless he is not happy with Levy or the directions of the club. Poch often talks about wanting to be a long term manager (like Sir Alex and Wenger) and just signed a new contract this summer.
 
How likely is it that Poch would take the Utd job if offered?

Failing that, I believe Moyes still has a year remaining on his initial contract.

Good to see Liverpool fans finally crawling out of their woodwork. Boom bust cycle is at it's peak. :D
 
:lol:
We'll do ok, but wont win the league.

Watching the battle for 6th might be a hoot though.

Like I said, boom bust cycle at it's peak.

Too much noise from the fans of the club that won feck all in last 10 years.
 
How likely is it that Poch would take the Utd job if offered?

Failing that, I believe Moyes still has a year remaining on his initial contract.

Won't happen imo. I think hes committed to Spurs ala Wenger to Arsenal. He might get frustrated if they don't back him in the transfer market and start selling his best players though.
 
I love Dembele. He's my favourite Spurs player to watch and I always wonder if people who don't rate him have played football before. Having a player in the team who is so comfortable on the ball, resistant to any kind of pressing, a player you know you can count on as a passing option? Brings so much calm to everybody. Is he a blockbuster player who scores or assists loads? No, but he's one of those players who is loved by his teammates and manager, and generally people who know the game well, and nearly all successful teams have them.

He's a big game player. Last season against the likes of Juventus, United and Liverpool, he was just such a dominating presence. He can match any player physically and when you're under pressure from elite sides, a CM who has the strength and technique to just hold the ball up and lay it off simply is invaluable.

Do I think he's declining? Yes, I think injuries have hampered him a little, and I have been worried about that for a while. We will obviously need to manage him well this season because he's very important for us in games against teams who have serious quality in midfield. I think my biggest worry is do we have the depth to rotate him well? Which I think depends fully on whether Winks can do well this season. When Dembele does leave, it'll be very difficult for us to find a player like him, he has rare qualities.

He's the Paul McGrath/Ledley King of Midfielders. If he had a fully
Functioning body he'd be winning Champions Leagues.
 
Won't happen imo. I think hes committed to Spurs ala Wenger to Arsenal. He might get frustrated if they don't back him in the transfer market and start selling his best players though.

Lol. He's take the job in a heartbeat. Assuming he was promised the world, obviously.
 
The only weakness Dembele has is that he is slow in releasing the ball forward, his moments of brilliance in carrying the ball covers this but his attacking ability both in shooting and releasing the ball quickly and effectively is frustrating. Winks on the other hand doesn’t have the physical attributes of Dembele but damn he is always looking forward. Having said that I want to keep Dembele, he has an important role in the the 1st team.

What utter shite.

Winks is a good Premier League player.

Dembele is a world class footballer with a Sunday league players robustness (yes, hyperbole)

Winks has found his level and will do well to stay there.

Dembele could have won the biggest competitions in the game if he had a body that held up to it.

It's like comparing Evans to Ferdinand.
 
As much as I do think we're fully capable of top four, and as much as it looks like United are struggling ...

It's fecking 3 games in. 6 points is nothing. There are 35 games to play, we will inevitably have wobbles and nothing is guaranteed at all. People really need to stop making season long predictions based on the first few matches, so much can change from now until the end.

It is only 3 games in, but realistically lets not act like Spurs smashing United at Old Trafford isn't an ominous sign, especially straight after losing to Brighton. Its not the points and the gap but more the manner of the performances.

Anyway that's off topic, Spurs look very solid at the moment and Lucas Moura looks a quality buy, I like how direct he is and think he will very good for you this year.
 
Winks isn't fit to lace Dembele's boots and likely never will be able to.

Dembele is declining and his body can't hold up to the rigors of PL football every week so he will need to be managed. He was amazing second half last night, so does still have it.

It's the one area where Spurs are light. Winks I'm not fully convinced on, Dembele needs managing, Wanyama is injured and Dier is the weakest link in the whole Spurs side.
 
It is only 3 games in, but realistically lets not act like Spurs smashing United at Old Trafford isn't an ominous sign, especially straight after losing to Brighton. Its not the points and the gap but more the manner of the performances.

Anyway that's off topic, Spurs look very solid at the moment and Lucas Moura looks a quality buy, I like how direct he is and think he will very good for you this year.

Spurs will start to fade when the Champions League starts up, had the same problem last year. Squad strength still isn't quite there yet.

Agreed on Moura, thought he'd be a good buy for them. Suits their play style perfectly and they've been crying out for a strong player coming in from the right for years.
 
Like I said, boom bust cycle at it's peak.

Too much noise from the fans of the club that won feck all in last 10 years.

:lol:
6 years, but thanks anyway.

Show me a quote from any red on here who's said we'll win the league.
 
Where did I say that?
So how exactly is it boom bust if our expectations are in line with reality and no one has said we will/should win the league? But by all means, keep trying to create that narrative so you can laugh at our imaginary expectations afterwards.
 
As much as I do think we're fully capable of top four, and as much as it looks like United are struggling ...

It's fecking 3 games in. 6 points is nothing. There are 35 games to play, we will inevitably have wobbles and nothing is guaranteed at all. People really need to stop making season long predictions based on the first few matches, so much can change from now until the end.
So much sense in one post
 
So how exactly is it boom bust if our expectations are in line with reality and no one has said we will/should win the league? But by all means, keep trying to create that narrative so you can laugh at our imaginary expectations afterwards.

I haven't said anything about expectations. So don't get your panties in a twist.

It won't be long before lot of you guys will be back to hibernation.
 
How likely is it that Poch would take the Utd job if offered?

Failing that, I believe Moyes still has a year remaining on his initial contract.

Honestly do not think there is any chance he would go to Utd at the moment - 3 or 4 years in the future who knows but at the moment and for the forseeable future I don't see why he would want to leave Spurs and go to a club that appears to be all over the place at the moment, albeit a bigger club.