Good point. I’d also add that sometimes a player (or any employee for that matter) just doesn’t like their managers style or approach etc.
Son Heung-min | Spurs
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He's shit, lost pace and his game depends very much on it so I don't think he'll improve much from the form we're currently seeing.
Could be similar to rashford from last year. 85% including me thought he was finished.
Bit extreme? Why do you think that?
His type of player was never going to excel under Conte though was he?
He was literally the top scorer in the league last season despite not taking pens.
Same, his technique is shocking. Can't put the ball anywhere near him in the build up because he can never trap it and play it quickly.
Different approach from Conte this year?
was weird watching him at the WC, he obviously must be S.Koreas best player but he looked technically a level below all his teammates
He looks like he's not the same player and it's gone on longer than just a bit of bad form.
He looks finished, but I'll be interested to see how he performs once Conte fecks off.
The difference is Son is 30 years old while Rashford is 25.
He's washed out and imo it's a big reason why Spurs went down hill. They were so reliant on both him and Kane that now with one of them done for and the other wanting to leave for more than 2 years, they're done for.
I am a little surprised Son hasn't moved on by now. I don't know if he's the type to, but it seemed like Spurs shouldn't have been his final step up.
Then again, maybe he's grateful for how they handled his military duties and can't abandon them anymore.
But while many talk about players making big moves too soon, I often wonder about players leaving too late. I wonder if he and Kane are those kind of players and will simply not show the type of adaptation needed at a bigger club when they do make the move, it's been too long since they've had to prove themselves as one of the better players in the team and such things could bite just as hard as the step being too big when moving too early.
I think Kane has fecked up his chance of leaving to a bigger club. It should have happened a long time ago, but now that he's 29 years old, I don't think he'll have it in him to start from scratch at a different environment, and I doubt many top clubs will stay interested. It's really shame, he could have achieved a lot more than this. (Not that he's without faults you know, he has always been disappointing in games when it mattered the most).
As for Son, I don't actually see anyone interested in him once he leave. I bet he'll leave England, maybe join a Serie A club or something, otherwise I can see him ending at a midtable club in PL if anything. Great player in his prime alright, but he's washed out.
He’ll score 5 in 5 in a few months and half of you will be talking about how he’s the most underrated player in the league again. Purple patch player
I agree but 29 is not that old for a striker, only worry with him is his recent ankle injuries. I think he will be a solid reliable goalscorer for at least 4 more years.
Prayers for Son and his 39 broken bones after touching the ball in todays match.
I agree alright but the problem is which top club will be interested in investing ton of money in someone approaching 30s ? Real Madrid did it in Hazard for example and see how this ended, I doubt they will be interested in trying it again.
The longer he stayed there, the harder he made it for himself to leave.
The summer he asked for a transfer 2 years ago was the perfect opportunity for him to move on to Man City and for Spurs to take the money and rebuild the team. I bet both of them would have been in better situation now,
Wouldn't say that. In the past two or three seasons he's been pretty consistent over the course of a season in terms of goals and assists which are fairly spread out. This season he's just dropped quite badly. Physically he looks worse.
His biggest mistake was signing that long extension of his contract when he fully well knows how it's nearly impossible to negotiate with Levy. Had he not done that he would 100% have been at City.
Kane will be like RVP was to us for someone if he leaves in the summer.
Son however relies on his pace whihc he is starting to lose and I see a similar trajectory as Alex's Sanchez for him.
Son however relies on his pace whihc he is starting to lose and I see a similar trajectory as Alex's Sanchez for him.
Has a-bit of the Mo Salah's about him.
I thought it was a point worth making twice (or didn’t check before posting)Last season, he had 11 league goals in 25 games at the end of March. And then he hit 12 in the next 10 to take the Golden Boot. In 2020/21, he scored 11 goals in the first 10 games when everyone thought Mourinho would be competing for the title. Then he went on a run of 2 in 16. Even in 2019/20, when he only scored 10 league goals all season, this included three separate streaks of goals in consecutive games (including a 4-in-3) and two droughts of 5+ games.
Definitely one of the streakiest goalscorers in the world, might even be the best example around of a "purple patch player". The only surprise this season is that he didn't follow up that hattrick against Leicester with 5 in the next 2 before settling down for the drought.
And DWelbz is spot on about the Internet lining up to bring out the "most underrated player in the league, such a nice guy too, plays with a smile on his face!!" nonsense whenever he hits a hot run. Just need to hope this latest dry run doesn't frustrate the nice guy into kicking opposition players in the nuts again
Last season, he had 11 league goals in 25 games at the end of March. And then he hit 12 in the next 10 to take the Golden Boot. In 2020/21, he scored 11 goals in the first 10 games when everyone thought Mourinho would be competing for the title. Then he went on a run of 2 in 16. Even in 2019/20, when he only scored 10 league goals all season, this included three separate streaks of goals in consecutive games (including a 4-in-3) and two droughts of 5+ games.
Definitely one of the streakiest goalscorers in the world, might even be the best example around of a "purple patch player". The only surprise this season is that he didn't follow up that hattrick against Leicester with 5 in the next 2 before settling down for the drought.
And DWelbz is spot on about the Internet lining up to bring out the "most underrated player in the league, such a nice guy too, plays with a smile on his face!!" nonsense whenever he hits a hot run. Just need to hope this latest dry run doesn't frustrate the nice guy into kicking opposition players in the nuts again
If you read my post you would have seen I said goals and assists. He only went around 2-3 games before scoring or assisting again. I think that’s pretty decent.
Did he just play to get a contract or something?
Cristiano’s was pretty drastic (although more understandable).
I read your post. Read mine where I say "streakiest goalscorers", because that's what Son's known for (if ~10 goals+10 assists was the benchmark to be called world class, this forum would have stopped shitting on Rashford four years ago
) and where he has a clear and established boom-bust cycle.Even if you want to include assists, in 20/21 it was 10 goals and 4 assists in 11 games, then 3 and 5 in 16. He was playing rubbish for much of that second spell, too.
21/22 was the first season in his career where he was legitimately one of the best players in the league. And he's followed it up with a complete disasterpiece this time around
I read your post. Read mine where I say "streakiest goalscorers", because that's what Son's known for (if ~10 goals+10 assists was the benchmark to be called world class, this forum would have stopped shitting on Rashford four years ago
Even if you want to include assists, in 20/21 it was 10 goals and 4 assists in 11 games, then 3 and 5 in 16. He was playing rubbish for much of that second spell, too.
21/22 was the first season in his career where he was legitimately one of the best players in the league. And he's followed it up with a complete disasterpiece this time around
I wasn't refuting that though. I just don't think that his stats warrant being called a purple patch player. That should be afforded to someone like Lingard who has had several seasons in his career where he's done nothing for a season but has a month or two within it where he's managed c. 10 G + A. I don't think it should be afforded to players who are achieving 20+ G + A three seasons in a row where the stats are fairly distributed over the season. If we start calling Son a purple patch player then we may aswell start labelling most of the league as one.
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Did he cry?
No, I'm not steaming
It's easy to feel incredulous at my statement when Son is in his peak and best form of his life, whilst Rashford is probably in the worst form of his but lest we forget that Son is 5.5 years older than Rashford. Son wasn't the player he is now when he was 24 and if you look at their respective records up to that age then they're not too dissimilar(perhaps skewed by Rashford switching between LW and ST). Having seen every single minute Son has played for Spurs and plenty of Rashford I can honestly say that in terms of sheer ability there's really not that much between them at all. Son doesn't actually have many strings to his bow, in 80% of the game he's in fact decidedly very average, thankfully for us though he's among the elite in the other, arguably most important, 20%. Technically and physically/athletically there isn't much between them, @Scroto Baggins makes a good point about Son being better off his weaker foot which makes him a dual-threat in certain situations but I'd also say Rashford's first touch, quick link-up play and close-quarter dribbling are all better than Son's - who can often look like he's trying to control an air-hockey puck.
I did qualify my statement with the suggestion that Rashford doesn't appear to have Son's mentality, a facet which is necessary for talent to flourish on a consistent basis. Maybe Rashford has just totally lost his focus and drive, or maybe he needs a change of scenery/different voice. It won't happen for many reasons(Son being one of them) but I reckon Conte would get way more out of him than what you're currently seeing.
Yeah, I don't know why he took my post that way but that's not what I was implying. My point was purely in terms of what Conte could do with a player of Rashford's ability, nothing to do with Son whose mentality has never been in question and has been playing at this level for 2-3 seasons now.
The main difference I see between the two are that one is in great form while the other is in a rut and Son has a clear drive to keep making those runs and making the most of his ability, whereas Rashford seems to be more focused on scoring PR points rather than goals. Son's positive attitude on and off the pitch are infectious as well, you could argue the same for Rashford but at the other end of the spectrum.
Doesn't look so crazy now huh ...
Do you think Son is going the way of Alexis Sánchez?
He looks shot, he's a hard worker and has played virtually non stop
He looks shot, he's a hard worker and has played virtually non stop
At the time it was 100% correct. Son looks like a championship player now and Rashford has kicked on.
Hat trick today.
Instead of chasing Kane all summer we should've focused our attention on him.
Instead of chasing Kane all summer we should've focused our attention on him.
Alternate universe?
Dickhead.
At least he can feel like he won city the title, it's the closest he'll get to a trophy at spurs
If you're a Gooner and there's one Spurs player you'd want on the end of that chance it would be him.
Scored a similar one at the Emirates.
Two years left on his deal so I wonder if he might start to get phased out now as he's struggling to impact games and Ange will want more possession based players so moves could be a little slower.
Only 5 goals since he came back from Asia cup so similar season to Maddison.
Scored a similar one at the Emirates.
Two years left on his deal so I wonder if he might start to get phased out now as he's struggling to impact games and Ange will want more possession based players so moves could be a little slower.
Only 5 goals since he came back from Asia cup so similar season to Maddison.