Should high five with his boots.
Solskjaer confirmed Maguire will be the new club captain
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Should high five with his boots.
Going for a meal out with your team mates is hardly much to ask.
It's not like they're being forced to go on stage and sing Karaoke or do something out of their comfort zone, it's just dinner and chatting.
He obviously feels people are being lazy and trying not to fit in, so I think it's a fair thing to ask especially where a team enviroment is very important.
You can't really compare a pro sport team to your office.
You haven’t got to be best mates/spend social time together to be successful - see Cole & Sheringham.
A level of team bonding is indeed imperative but forcing people to do something in the face of a draconian fine could be as counter productive as it is a ‘marginal gain’ - Maguire is captain but is actually a peer to the players.
I’m just a little bemused by this ‘my captain’ nonsense at everything the man does.
The only ‘profile’ of player I’m concerned with is the one that goes out on a saturday/mid-week & gives me a minimum 7 out of 10 with an 8/9/10 most weeks.
However they get there isn’t my concern.
We aren’t privy to all players personal lives but I’d hazard a guess they’ll be some ‘anti-social’ ones that actually turn in decent performances week in week out.
Yes I doubt it’s a regular Friday after work piss up we’re on about & most players likely already go but Shaw singing the praises of an incumbent manager/captain is hardly a sign of the ship turning.
Note also that this isn't Maguire inflicting this decision on his team mates. As described by Shaw, it is something Maguire suggested and the players agreed together. He described it as a 'pact'.
This frustrates me so much when fans pick up bits where a player is made to look foolish. The hallmark of a good player is not that they don't make mistakes, it is how consistent they are.
I am sure we can find clips where Messi has blazed a shot over, Ronaldo have failed to get past a player etc.
I can find 5/6 clips where some players have made VVD look foolish too.
No player is perfect and will make mistakes, that is why we love this game so much.
I actually like the notion of bringing this team together but the likelihood is there will be a social group amongst the players & a not so social group so some players will likely be feeling targeted by this.
If the Mata restaurant occasion is being used as an example how can the ones that didn’t attend not feel targeted is all I’m getting at.
Not all comfort zones are the same, you could be an active member of the squad in & around training but just want to go home to be with family instead of out with your colleagues for dinner.
I’m about the product on the pitch, how a player gets there will be different for each one.
A player plays for the team, not to give himself personal performance scores - your view of leadership in football is very flawed.
What is this wall of text.
‘you definitely only watched the highlights’ - ok, moving on.
‘no one really calling him like captain marvel’ - see post above my first & read the rest above also. ‘my captain oh my captain’.
The point. You don’t get £100k a week so stop telling those who do how they should react/feel. It really is that simple.
You’ve gone off on some tangent about me not thinking before I write but haven’t actually read my posts obviously as I’ve said I’m pro-team bonding just the fining may backfire.
Calm down.
What’s my view of leadership in football?
I think you're missing the point - it's a voluntary fine designed to encourage the 'individuals' to think of themselves as a 'team'. We all do it together or we don't do it.
Funnily enough I was watching the SAF documentary on Netflix last night out of boredom. Makes exactly this point over and over again
You're suggesting that in football, team bonding isn't really a thing that matters, when it is actually vital. Fergie insisted on it too and it's a big reason why there was so much unity and longevity in the squad.
I replied the above to you. You’re doing that thing where you’re off on a tangent so have decided to position me opposed to you despite my words. Quit telling people what they’re suggesting & actually read what they wrote.
To repeat. “A level of team bonding is indeed imperative”. So I’m a little confused by your post as it simply isn’t my view.
You’ve thrown Fergie in for emphasis when I’ve actually said what you’ve said I haven’t to you already.
I cba going back & forth because it’s clear you don’t read well so I’ll clarify one last time.
Whether it be team bonding meals, Playstation, spending time with friends/family, hiring in some [consenting] escorts or whatever I am all for it so long as the product on the pitch reflects it.
There is no one way to captain a side & as I’ve said previously I’m all for these sessions/meals if they foster production on the pitch.
Have a good day.
Team cohesion in football is much more important than in your office.
It’s a bit of banter, ya wallies.
“Not coming out for a few tonight then? Wheeeey, 200 quid fine... get it in the kitty.”
Not even worth a mature discussion.
“Not coming out for a few tonight then? Wheeeey, 200 quid fine... get it in the kitty.”
Not even worth a mature discussion.
Also, fines are super common in football teams for small things, I think it was Crouch who said on his podcast that players get fined thousands for every minute they are late.
If I was paid that much I'd do what I was told.
Imagine getting outraged that the players have agreed on a voluntary fine for missing team bonding exercises 
Too much speculations here, lacking details on how they actually conducted this team bonding activities.
Hopefully there are sensibilities and leniency when conducting the activities. If it's too strict or taking too much time or involving stupid activities, I felt that would be counter-productive. But from the sound of it, seems the players made a consensus/agreement.
Hopefully there are sensibilities and leniency when conducting the activities. If it's too strict or taking too much time or involving stupid activities, I felt that would be counter-productive. But from the sound of it, seems the players made a consensus/agreement.
Possibly there is social pressure involved.Imagine getting outraged that the players have agreed on a voluntary fine for missing team bonding exercises
Will new players "have" to "agree" ? or even the youth that just joined the first team ?
What if suddenly a player decided to stop joining the exercises because of how it's being organised.
Surely different personalities and preferences have to be considered. Forcing everyone to comply just won't work.
It's a fine idea but need more thinking. Then again we don't know for sure how they do it. Shaw doesn't reveal too much.
Was really starting to come into his own and become that consistent presence we saw for England and Leicester.
Think he's got all the makings of being a solid captain for us for years to come. Still think there's question marks about his long term partner, though. Funnily enough, he it was reported today that his dream centre back partner would be Rio. Imagine having a young Rio next to Maguire, eh?
However, going forward, Ole has a decision to make regards who will be that long term partner for Maguire.
Lindelof, to be fair to him, has done a lot better this season, and has been pretty consistent.
Bailly, since coming back from injury, has looked phenomenal every game has played, but never seems to stay fit.
Tuanzebe in the few games he played looked very assured.
Jones will always get stick, but he's done well when called upon this season. Unfortunately, like Bailly, he's constantly injured and I believe he will be moved on next season.
Rojo and Smalling will most likely be sold too.
When you look at that list, although there's numbers, apart from Lindelof, no one else is really reliable. All have had their injury problems this season. We've been linked to a few centre backs this season. With Jones, Rojo and Smalling all potentially going, it leaves us with four centre backs, one of which is vastly inexperienced at this level.
Think if Bailly can stay fit, we should be fine in that department next season, but I think we should really be looking for a top class centre back in the next couple of years.
Think he's got all the makings of being a solid captain for us for years to come. Still think there's question marks about his long term partner, though. Funnily enough, he it was reported today that his dream centre back partner would be Rio. Imagine having a young Rio next to Maguire, eh?
However, going forward, Ole has a decision to make regards who will be that long term partner for Maguire.
Lindelof, to be fair to him, has done a lot better this season, and has been pretty consistent.
Bailly, since coming back from injury, has looked phenomenal every game has played, but never seems to stay fit.
Tuanzebe in the few games he played looked very assured.
Jones will always get stick, but he's done well when called upon this season. Unfortunately, like Bailly, he's constantly injured and I believe he will be moved on next season.
Rojo and Smalling will most likely be sold too.
When you look at that list, although there's numbers, apart from Lindelof, no one else is really reliable. All have had their injury problems this season. We've been linked to a few centre backs this season. With Jones, Rojo and Smalling all potentially going, it leaves us with four centre backs, one of which is vastly inexperienced at this level.
Think if Bailly can stay fit, we should be fine in that department next season, but I think we should really be looking for a top class centre back in the next couple of years.
Imagine comparing bonding in an elite team game at the highest level to some poxy office job.
You are the one who is talking about how we should react if we are being fined for missing your work social events, so why are you telling others to stop? Read this post of yours.
And I can tell you one thing. Majority people in here are not professional footballer. So stop talking like our situation are the same as them. Think before posting.
You got some issue mate. I hope you are okay but I have concern to you because you are moaning about everything. You are moaning about the type of text in my post, you are moaning about Batshuayi turned into R9 for 1 minute and you are moaning about someone posted "my captain oh my captain". Why are you moaning about something that is not even a problem.
God I hate melodramatic language like this. It's like people who love saying "it's not ok."
@jem
Discussion was over a day ago. . .
Melodramatic
because ‘fans’ on a forum using player wages to dictate what players should do is simply stupid.
“ This obsession with justifying making footballers do every/anything because of what they get paid needs to stop.” oooo how sensational.
But I’ve got time this evening so please elaborate on your 2 pence worth; how is thinking someone should do something because there talents afford them a great wage reasonable?
& what is this ‘it’s not ok’ nonsense
Discussion was over a day ago. . .
Melodramatic
because ‘fans’ on a forum using player wages to dictate what players should do is simply stupid.“ This obsession with justifying making footballers do every/anything because of what they get paid needs to stop.” oooo how sensational.
But I’ve got time this evening so please elaborate on your 2 pence worth; how is thinking someone should do something because there talents afford them a great wage reasonable?
& what is this ‘it’s not ok’ nonsense
Being fined for missing team building in your free time?
Is that news even legit? If it is true then that is just stupid and if i was a player i would be pissed. Some people are introverts. They don't enjoy in socialising. Some people want to spend their free time with their real friends and family.
Why people can't understand that being football player is a job. And like in every job you don't need to be friends with every colleague, love your company ("being red through and through") and especially you don't need to work for free. IF team bonding is not payed or mandatory by your employer then you don't need to go. And it is not matter are you payed 10k, 100k or 500k per week.
First he (allegedly) forced players to donate money and now this. Well that happens when coach picks captain, not players. Then that captain thinks that he is the boss.
Is that news even legit? If it is true then that is just stupid and if i was a player i would be pissed. Some people are introverts. They don't enjoy in socialising. Some people want to spend their free time with their real friends and family.
Why people can't understand that being football player is a job. And like in every job you don't need to be friends with every colleague, love your company ("being red through and through") and especially you don't need to work for free. IF team bonding is not payed or mandatory by your employer then you don't need to go. And it is not matter are you payed 10k, 100k or 500k per week.
First he (allegedly) forced players to donate money and now this. Well that happens when coach picks captain, not players. Then that captain thinks that he is the boss.
@jem
Discussion was over a day ago. . .
Melodramatic
“ This obsession with justifying making footballers do every/anything because of what they get paid needs to stop.” oooo how sensational.
But I’ve got time this evening so please elaborate on your 2 pence worth; how is thinking someone should do something because there talents afford them a great wage reasonable?
& what is this ‘it’s not ok’ nonsense
The obsession was never brought up until a poster decided to compare footballers & people who work in the office & onsite.
Oh wait it was you.
You clearly got no clue about the situation. These footballers are in agreement with the decision with none of them came out to criticised the decision because they see good reason for the captain to make the decision.
I'm working in the office getting paid peanuts for living and if someone cut my salary how can I feed myself and family? If I got 100k per week working in the office, hell yeah, you can cut my wages for this shit I care less because I will still have plenty of money to feed myself, family and even make full payment to buy house. And if I am a footballer in Manchester United, I'll be on the same page as Luke Shaw about the decision.
And look at the amount of people were replying to your shit posts and against you tried to make comparison to it.
@UNITED ACADEMY
You’re off on another ramble again against something I haven’t said but it’s taken you well over a day to come up with something so I’ll interact.
My initial post is below. . .
I asked people how they’d feel being asked to forcibly go to work events in fear of a fine & disagreed with forcibly ‘bonding’ - on this forum that means I’m saying footballers & office workers jobs are like for like apparently. I’d hazard a guess a number of people’s jobs here actually aren’t in an office [mine isn't] so the whole office nonsense is way off the mark but it’s the only bone you seem to hang on so let’s park it & agree they are differing places of work.
The point I’ve repeated is. Employees being fined for missing ‘extra curricular’ events is stupid. I don’t care if someone is paid £100k or £1k a week. If members of the squad are disinterested in going to Mata’s restaurant but perform on a Saturday I’m not bothered.
Maguire is club captain, it’d take a few rather large characters to tell him to ‘do one’ on this - I’d use personal employment experience as an example of seniority being used as leverage in the workplace but it’d go over your head.
Just because we’d all bend over backwards to be associated with the club in a playing capacity doesn’t make for a very good argument when it comes to whether those fortunate to actually do so should do something or not, it’s a rather adolescent way of looking at it.
Now get back to telling me I’m comparing offices & football dressing rooms [neither of which I work in btw] instead of coming up with a reason other than “I’d do it so they should” or “they get paid so much they should”.
& lastly I’m not here to join a monolith of millennials so the critique of our captain has been met with the expected response.
You’re off on another ramble again against something I haven’t said but it’s taken you well over a day to come up with something so I’ll interact.
My initial post is below. . .
I asked people how they’d feel being asked to forcibly go to work events in fear of a fine & disagreed with forcibly ‘bonding’ - on this forum that means I’m saying footballers & office workers jobs are like for like apparently. I’d hazard a guess a number of people’s jobs here actually aren’t in an office [mine isn't] so the whole office nonsense is way off the mark but it’s the only bone you seem to hang on so let’s park it & agree they are differing places of work.
The point I’ve repeated is. Employees being fined for missing ‘extra curricular’ events is stupid. I don’t care if someone is paid £100k or £1k a week. If members of the squad are disinterested in going to Mata’s restaurant but perform on a Saturday I’m not bothered.
Maguire is club captain, it’d take a few rather large characters to tell him to ‘do one’ on this - I’d use personal employment experience as an example of seniority being used as leverage in the workplace but it’d go over your head.
Just because we’d all bend over backwards to be associated with the club in a playing capacity doesn’t make for a very good argument when it comes to whether those fortunate to actually do so should do something or not, it’s a rather adolescent way of looking at it.
Now get back to telling me I’m comparing offices & football dressing rooms [neither of which I work in btw] instead of coming up with a reason other than “I’d do it so they should” or “they get paid so much they should”.
& lastly I’m not here to join a monolith of millennials so the critique of our captain has been met with the expected response.
So let me ask you something, why people in here who works in office or onside with the current salary don't want to get fined for such a thing? In contrast, why footballers in top tier like Manchester United have no problem with the condition and publicly calling it as positive?
If you can find the answers, you'll realise how silly and non-sense the post you made.
Because it doesn’t need to stop. It’s a fan forum, with little to no impact on anything of note. Grow up.@jem
Discussion was over a day ago. . .
Melodramatic
“ This obsession with justifying making footballers do every/anything because of what they get paid needs to stop.” oooo how sensational.
But I’ve got time this evening so please elaborate on your 2 pence worth; how is thinking someone should do something because there talents afford them a great wage reasonable?
& what is this ‘it’s not ok’ nonsense
Forced? Have you got a source for Maguire "forcing" players to donate? All the news I read was reportedly asking for players to do so, of which the players were reportedly in support of doing so.
And has a coach ever not picked the captain?
Look, this is just my opinion. I am not saying that i am right regarding these two things. And it is based on what i read. Who knows what and how really happened behind closed doors.
I think that when you stand in front of group of people and say lets donate part of our wages you force people to do so because nobody wants to be ashamed with not doing it. Stupid example but it is similiar when group of people are buying present for colleague's birthday. You will not say that you don't want to do so because then you are a prick.
Regarding captain; yes, coaches pick captain but they sometimes do secret vote for captain or at least pick a player who is long time with the team. Ole gave it to Harry who was just 4 months with the team. Imo, it is imposed appointment.
But as i said, these are my thoughts only.
you have obviously got a problem with Maguire full stop.
Avoiding the point again.
You’re now asking me why office workers wouldn’t be ok but footballers would but I thought we couldn’t compare the 2 so not sure what answer you’re after here.
I’d say with quite a lot of certainty that the posters in here are not pro-footballers yet here you & multiple posters are telling me the inner workings of a workplace they have no inside knowledge of.
I’ll reiterate, as you’re hard of reading,
You keep bringing this back to an office vs dressing room argument & it misses the mark every time. as this isn’t the comparison.
What are on about. Yet another day late & a dollar short.
You’ve got emotional over a tepid sentence that asks forum members to stop using footballers wages as some draconian reason they should do something. I get paid more than some whilst less than others does that mean I’m obligated to do things those that earn less than me aren’t? What a juvenile stance.
You were asked a rather simple question & evaded it, ‘it’s a fan forum with little to no impact on anything of note” is pretty much what I’ve said in multiple posts which is why the “I’d do it if I got paid that much” brigade need to stop - It’s the most redundant of arguments.
Grow up
stop being so melodramatic.Don't go with that ad hominem approach to me. Feel free to answer on my post and tell me what i said wrong.
@AFC NimbleThumb
It's not avoiding the point. It's about you don't understand the situation and the reason why many people are against you. And you can't accept reality. You are not professional footballer and you found it as stupid idea. The reality is simple, Manchester United footballers are in agreement that this is a good idea.
It's not avoiding the point. It's about you don't understand the situation and the reason why many people are against you. And you can't accept reality. You are not professional footballer and you found it as stupid idea. The reality is simple, Manchester United footballers are in agreement that this is a good idea.
You need to stop.Avoiding the point again.
You’re now asking me why office workers wouldn’t be ok but footballers would but I thought we couldn’t compare the 2 so not sure what answer you’re after here.
I’d say with quite a lot of certainty that the posters in here are not pro-footballers yet here you & multiple posters are telling me the inner workings of a workplace they have no inside knowledge of.
I’ll reiterate, as you’re hard of reading,
You keep bringing this back to an office vs dressing room argument & it misses the mark every time. as this isn’t the comparison.
What are on about. Yet another day late & a dollar short.
You’ve got emotional over a tepid sentence that asks forum members to stop using footballers wages as some draconian reason they should do something. I get paid more than some whilst less than others does that mean I’m obligated to do things those that earn less than me aren’t? What a juvenile stance.
You were asked a rather simple question & evaded it, ‘it’s a fan forum with little to no impact on anything of note” is pretty much what I’ve said in multiple posts which is why the “I’d do it if I got paid that much” brigade need to stop - It’s the most redundant of arguments.
Grow up
How is this post not a parody
bizarrely extreme, and typical caf logic of trying to find a problem when there isn't one.A regular worker being fined and Manchester United being fined is nowhere in the same galaxy. The fine is symbolic and will without a question go towards the Manchester United Foundation.
Team socializing events are absolutely important, especially in a football team that already have very, very stressful life with constant demands to perform. Teambuilding events allow the players to relax, have a few too many laughs and get to know eachother better outside the football arena. Its a TEAM sport. Everyone attends. There is no room for the mysterious loner in a football club that relies on cohesion and cooperation for success.
You can't compare workers who sit by their computer and work through a list to those who chat with the deskmates, the comparison doesn't exist.
These team building events are not exactly very frequent so placing a demand on it is not unreasonable.
But hey, if a player has good reason not to attend you know what he can do? Ask to sit this one out, like you actually do at workplaces instead of moaning about it like a petulent child.
How is this post not a parody
the guy has a big up his arse about Maguire. It’s pointless trying to discuss this with him.
Ok what an absolute adventure of a post!
"Your free time". - Dude. EVERYONE AGREED TO THIS. It was brought forward as a suggestion. the ENTIRE TEAM agreed to having this as a rule. This entire thing is such a massive non issue that I take offense that you take offense. You are not allowed to be this pissy about something so absolutely useless as this. I forbid it.
Team building events builds trust, mitigates conflict, encourages communication and creates cohesion in a group of players that constantly see eachother in a professional environment.
Introverts aren't people that don't enjoy socializing, they just tend to be more quiet and less outgoing for the most part. Why in gods name you think people who work in team would be completely allergic to team building events is beyond me. These gatherings aren't exaftly frequent.
You, and most human beings who are in the workforce, have 8-4 jobs. That's the "norm". I run my own companies, I am always on the clock. I do not get paid more or less if I work 1 hour or 23 hours. Football players get paid weekly. There is no stipulation that they can not, or should not, attend team gatherings. In fact sponsor and assorted gatherings are part of their contracts. They do not have a fixed amount of hours they are in attendance.
Let me make something very clear to you: Harry Maguire ASKED the group if they were willing to donate 30% of their income and donate it to the NHS. The players agreed. Everryone were in their full right to decline. The football club is paying the players full wages. If anyone had any huge problem with that, they would have said something. The only one that alledges this is you, this has no basis in the real world.
The players wholeheartedly all support Harry as captain, I have not heard or read anthing about anyone having a problem with him.
On that note: Let me just bold this so it stands out. And capitalize so there is no misunderstanding: THE FINE IS NOT ENACTED BY THEIR EMPLOYER, BUT BY THE PLAYERS THEMSELVES, TO HOLD THEMSELVES ACCOUNTABLE TO ATTEND TEAM BUILING EVENTS. IF A PLAYER MISSES AN EVENT, A PLAYER WILL PAY A FIXED AMOUNT FROM HIS OWN INCOME TO A SET CHARITY, MOST LIKELY THE MANCHESTER UNITED FOUNDATION. NO PLAYER CAN BE FORCED TO PAY THE FINE, BUT THEY WILL BECAUSE UNLIKE THE CAF, THIS IS NOT A BIG DEAL FOR THEM. PERIOD.