I do, just to piss off Flash 
So who here wants Notre Dame to win Saturday?
- Thread starter mathiaslg
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I'm going to root for ND. I had enough of Pete carroll when he coached the Jets.
Besides, no fun rooting for a 2 touchdown favorite.
Go Irish!
Besides, no fun rooting for a 2 touchdown favorite.
Go Irish!
This guy is probably a knob - but his shirt is alright.
Notre be Damned--I hope their loss this weekend is just one of many.
I can't wait for this game.
I hate Notre Dame so much it is ridiculous.
they are crap. they've beaten four distinctly average to poor teamsand lost at home to the only quality one.
this is the same exact squad as last year, just with a new offensive philosophy.
their secondary sucks as well.
there isn't a single NOtre Dame starter on offense or defense who could start for USC at the position they play. Their kicker probably could but that is it.
prediction.............USC49 NOTRE LAME 27
I hate Notre Dame so much it is ridiculous.
they are crap. they've beaten four distinctly average to poor teamsand lost at home to the only quality one.
this is the same exact squad as last year, just with a new offensive philosophy.
their secondary sucks as well.
there isn't a single NOtre Dame starter on offense or defense who could start for USC at the position they play. Their kicker probably could but that is it.
prediction.............USC49 NOTRE LAME 27
I want ND to win. USC sucks only glory hunting New Yorkers likes them.
Shut up Richter.
Dubai_Devil said:
Richter said:
That wouldn't make sense even if Notre Dame had had a good team in the past fifteen years.
Richter said:
Yeah right, only glory hunting New Yorkers support a team from Los Angeles--not as if any of the locals are part of the 80,000 fans filling the Colesium on Saturdays. There's a group called the "Subway Alumni"--the large number of New Yorkers who haven't been west of the Poconos who support Notre Dame (the single most popular college football team in the City). For the rest--They have a natural (and vacation-land orientation) toward Miami, Florida, Florida State, or North Carolina.
And we wonder why "Dumb Swede" is redundant.
FresnoBob said:
My father was one of the "Subway Amumni." He loved ND. My brothert is one now, but it's died out a bit. Nobody in my family ever went there, but my nephew wants to go there.
NYC really doesn't have a geographic team to root. I suppose West Point and Rutgers are the closest, but nobody roots for them.
I think that ND has a good chance to upset them. USC has had a few bad fist halves this year and seem to be going through the motions at times. ND has a good history of knocking off streaking and #1 teams in football and basketball. Wake up the echoes . . .
kennyj said:My father was one of the "Subway Amumni." He loved ND. My brothert is one now, but it's died out a bit. Nobody in my family ever went there, but my nephew wants to go there.
NYC really doesn't have a geographic team to root. I suppose West Point and Rutgers are the closest, but nobody roots for them.
I think that ND has a good chance to upset them. USC has had a few bad fist halves this year and seem to be going through the motions at times. ND has a good history of knocking off streaking and #1 teams in football and basketball. Wake up the echoes . . .
USC is also 4-0 when being ranked #1 and playing Notre Dame
Maybe the media is convinced that ND has a good chance to upset them, but that is far from the truth. This is the same crappy ND team from last year, just with a new offensive coach. USC has superior athletes at every position. ND couldn't hold Michigan Statte to less than 40 points.
they have beaten a piss poor PITT team by 20+ points, a well below average Michigan squad, missing it's top running back and ofensive tackles who kept fumbling the ball in the end zone, by inly 7 points (while only scoring 17 points against an average Michigan defense with a depleted secondary).
They beat a crappy Washington team by 19 points and a crappy Purdue team nby 20+ points...hardly world beaters.
their run defense sucks, and their pass defense is abysmal.
Sjmardzjia is their one pleasant surprise, Mcnkight and Stovall are classic collegiate busts/underahcievers and Darius Walker while decent is no better than USC's third tailback, Desmond Reed.
as for USC
USC has played five games this season...the "few bad" first halves really weren't particularly bad either
"Bad halves" (2)
@ Oregon -
USC Committed 9 penalties, mostly false starts and delay of game, and illegal procedure penalties due to the noise, had a fluke punt bounce off a USC players foot for a fumble, and had a sure touchdown pass hit the hands of a WR with 9 touchdowns on the season into the hands of an Oregon DB.
USC dominates the remaining 10 minutes of the 2nd quarter, drawing them back to within 3 after trailing by 13
score at the half, Oregon 13-10
@ Arizona State
USC stuffs ASU on its first drive, than drives the length of the field, and has a brilliant 38 yard catch by Reggie Bush to the ASU 5 wrongly overturned on replay. It stalls the drive. They stuff ASU again, on USC's next drive, ASU cheap shot late hits USC QB Leinart, causing him a mild concussion and seven stitches in the chin...Leinart comes back but is unsteady the rest of the half as is the ofense...even with a few penalties, USC outgains ASU 163 - 58 yards in the first qtr. At the end of the first quarter ASU returns a punt 85 yards, because USC all-american punter kicks the ball to the wrong side of ythe coverage.
In the second quarter, ASU racks up 150 yards, to take a 21-3 lead.
so basically, a bad 20 minute stretch in each first half, on the road, one with a QB knocked out by a cheap shot and a terrible, momentum killing call.... the other, by a fluke punt and a dropped touchdown turned interception.
if the penalties were indicative of something bigger wrong, I'd be worried, but
they were not...they were almost all offensive procedure calls.
ND has their work cut out for them. They won't be able to stop USC's ground game or passing game and eventual won't be able to keep up.
And Notre Dame are in Green--Gotta love it.
I'm pleased that I've no idea what this thread is about except sporting isolationism.
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FLASHWOK said:
No, you got lucky.
The only good thing I can take from this result is that I won't have to take seriously UT's claims to be the number 1 team in the nation.
mathiaslg said:
how...pray tell?
we got absolutely hosed on two calls in the first half.
luck would have been the ball bouncing off of someone's head for a td...on 3rd and 18 with less than a minute inside our own 20, we calmly dinked one underneath to reggie to get half the yards...Leinart so the mismatch on 4th and 9 with everything riding on it and audibled to a play he and jarrett run 2-3 times a game...Leinart got hit and the ball went out of bounds, correctly stopping the clock...
instead of taking the easy way and spiking the goal and going for the tying FG to overtime, Carroll puts it all on the line...the season, the national championship, the streak...everything and goes for it...
maybe we had some luck...but certainly no more than the Irish had...we deserved to win.
FLASHWOK said:
It's a moot point now, but I think USC could have lost that game and still run the table and been the national champs, don't you think?
Schalkefan said:
conceivably yes, but not while Texas and Virginia Tech remained undefeated.
Even as a diehard USC fan, there is no way we should deserve to go ahead of two undefeated teams if we had one loss.
Schalkefan said:
It would be tough given the fact that Texas will likely run the table (though the two could certainly meet in the National Championship game). Of course, USC does have a more difficult schedule.
FLASHWOK said:
I am not saying you lot didn't make some nice plays, I am just saying the breaks certainly went your way at the end. And yes, good teams do make their own luck, but luck it remains.
mathiaslg said:
there was one break at the end, and that was the fumbled ball going out of bounds.
everything else was pure guts.
probably the most exciting college football game I've ever seen in my life, and I've seen alot of them.
it was probably very watchable for neutrals as well.
definite instant classic...hopefully ESPN Classic will replay it tomorrow so I can record it!!!
Oh well, at least Penn State lost.
mathiaslg said:
I feel bad for Penn State...it was good to see them back in the Top 10 and doing well.
I love it when all the traditional powers are playing well...such a rich history etc.
it's always great when the competition level is so high
As an aside, Notre Dame proved they are not as bad as you made them out to be in an earlier post.
FLASHWOK said:
Screw Penn State. I'd be happy with Nebraska and Bama, but not Penn State.
mathiaslg said:
talent wise I still do not think they are a great team...they played so far above themselves and ot of their head it was amazing.
we have a serious fecking problem with "Sarkiffian" our two headed monster of an offensive coordinator. they have completely eschewed our vertical passing game which has been so dangerous.
NOtre Dame's secondary was horrid in all fairness...they were ranked 114th against the pass and NOrm Chow with those weapons would have torn them to pieces, but "Sarkiffian" no longer uses Lendale White and Reggie Bush together at the same time, which caused all the matchup headaches for teams last year.
Chow would always keep attacking with the vertical passing game, trying to get his quarterbacks into a rythym...that does not happen with these two, and you can see from Leinart's play against the last 4 opponents that teams are taking advantage of this and playing Cover2 and forcing us to beat them on the ground while alternating Lendale and Reggie.
we used to see reggie line up everywhere, no he primarily lines up only at running back...that's like cutting the wings off of pegasas...if youget him in a linebacker mismatch or get him the ball in any kind of space, you're dead...but they are not doing that.
SC fans are up in arms against our OC's. we have to bring all the weapons to bear at once, the way Chow did, not piecemeal, allowing teams to take away what makes us so dangerous
all you have to do is look at us vs. Oklahoma's top defense last year and look at us vs. Notre Dame's 38th ranked run D and 114th pass D.
any doubt who we looked more effective against?
notice they are not letting Leinart do quick three step drops anymore, so he is getting hit way too much?
look at the two interceptions he threw today...one was his fault when he threw it right to their DB but the Int in the end zone was purely ridiculous... they called a fade route to our shortest receiver vs their tallest CB
on the other side, the normal fade to Jarrett who is 6'5 vs. a 5'10 corner is what should have been run...instead they throw to a 6'0 receiver being covered by a 6'1 nickelback...totally retarded.
mathiaslg said:
why the hatred for happy valley mat? were you snubbed by a sexy nittany lioness or something?
I don't know the details of your OC situation, though I fully realize losing Norm Chow would hurt any team.
To address some other issues, I think Notre Dame's defense did play surprisingly well--they indeed probably "outplayed" their talent. Nonetheless, I do think, offensively at least, ND could have done a whole lot more than they did. I know they kept on running--often without result--largely to run the clock down. Nonetheless, Samardjiza (or however you spell it) and Stovall are superior to any players in USC's secondary. If they had put it up in the air more, they probably would have been better off--and would have made it easier to run on 1st Down.
To address some other issues, I think Notre Dame's defense did play surprisingly well--they indeed probably "outplayed" their talent. Nonetheless, I do think, offensively at least, ND could have done a whole lot more than they did. I know they kept on running--often without result--largely to run the clock down. Nonetheless, Samardjiza (or however you spell it) and Stovall are superior to any players in USC's secondary. If they had put it up in the air more, they probably would have been better off--and would have made it easier to run on 1st Down.
Either that or USC aren't as good as he thinks.mathiaslg said:
mathiaslg said:
well Smardjzia or however you spell it has a lot of talent...he's not fast, but has great hands, he's sort of like a tight end at receiver. came out of nowhere this season.
Stovall is a joke though...he was mister everything coming out of high school and has done nothing. Stovall was playing against "Johnnie Walker" who is the worst defensive back ever...he's a fifth year senior amd never saw the field untill this year when he was going to be the backup nickel back. he is only playing because we lost our starter in the spring to suspension and then expulsion from school (freshman all american Eric Wright) then we lost our second starter, the ligtning fast Terell Thomas, a somophore with blinding speed...after that, we lost our top freshman DB backup to mononucleosis...and our top JUCO DB transfer to a hernia...then, our two other freshman were not ready because they hadn't got enough reps with the first team D...and as you could see it showed...he is our version of "toast"
ND was desperately trying to take the air out of the game...they ran 90 plays and had the ball for 38:40 for 417 yards...we had 66 plays for 21:20 and 473 yards.
either their O is not that good or our defense is awesome (they are really good, despite what some say) because for a D to be on the field that long is nearly unheard of.
yeah and they ran 55 times for 153 yards...not a particularly good return.
overall, I got the impression that as fired up as they were and as well as they played...they were desperately trying to drain the clock and although they fought hard, they stopped playing to win and started playing not to lose.
redland said:
please spare me...this team has won 28 games in a row, has two national championships, has not lost at home since 2001 and has two heisman candidates in the same backfield.
everyone knew they had the firepower...time and again this season they have proven pure heart and spirit, even though they have a target on their backs for every game and they get each team'sbest shot cause everyone wants to knock off the champ. they are the biggest scalp around and if you don't believe just take a look at what all the coaches of the teams who have lost to them have said abouit them.
they are the top college football program in the nation and have been since 2003 and they are the standard now the way Miami was in the late 80s early 90s.
*FACT*
FLASHWOK said:
They certainly tried to win, they just gave you lot too much time at the end.
And I don't happen to think your defense is all that bad. In fact, your run defense looks to be quite good. As I implied, however, your secondary is less than stellar (regardless of your injuries).
All in all, you are indeed the best team in the nation. I also happen to think Notre Dame, regardless of the loss, are a top 10 team.
Relax Flash. I'm just needling you mate. I agree they're the best team in the nation. I'm just bitter because Michigan suck this year (and they haven't been that good in the last few).FLASHWOK said:
redland said:
Michigan just had a huge victory today!!!!!! you're not happy?
got to take the joy where you find it.
still think you guys should get rid of Carr...he is a dour cnut.
mathiaslg said:
well TBH are secondary is really not that bad with the exception of Walker.
Wyatt and Bing are both first team all pac 10, Bing should win or be 2 for the Thorpe award and Scott Ware is a huge hitter. Josh Pinkard is only a sophomore (#36) and he is going to be awesome.
don't forget we played hawaii, ASU, Oregon and ND...4 of the top 10 passing teams in the nation.
our interior line isn't as good as it was last year, but Sedrick Ellis soph (#49) is going to be a great one. we have great D Ends though and are loaded at that position 2 deep.
our linebackers will be very good next year...
Rivers is going to be the man (#55 soph) he was all over the place today, Lua the huge MLB is a great runstopper but a liability in pass coverage and we are a bit weak at strongside LB since we lost our starter for the season who will redshirt, but we have a couple of really talented fast young guys waiting to step up.
overall, this is the fastest defense we've had and it shows in our run defense
Oh hell yes. Just talking about our season in general. When you're used to being in the top 10 consistently and in with a shout for the the national championship pretty deep into the season its disappointing to lose 3 games this early in the season.FLASHWOK said:
He's done well for us overall, but you might be right. With about 3 minutes of today's game left we intercepted the PS QB and I just knew we'd go ultra-conservative and then play a soft-cock prevent defence and let them back into the game. That's exactly what happened and we almost lost because of it. I'd bet Carr would've made his team kick the field goal if he was in the same situation that Pete Carroll was at the end of your guys' game at Notre Dame today. He's just too conservative (although in his defence that seems to be the trend in college and pro football).FLASHWOK said:
redland said:
I just think that he's had 8 years since the last NC and Michigan isn't a program that likes to be standing still and I think that's where they are right now.
A new young coach who's exuberant and who relates better to the players might be just what Michigan needs...maybe dip into the pros for a good coach or something ...it seems to work pretty well