Think he plans to end it with the Lords forcing some kind of Magna Carta type agreement on whoever they choose to sit the thrown to limit the powers of the Crown. Doubt he’ll ever get close to that point though.
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I counter that with the prophecy that "the dragon must have three heads."
Jon Snow is obviously the real Prince That Was Promised and it is him that will ultimately defeat the Others (not Arya, which is why I have her down for dragon queen slaying, which is more of her thing anyway).
I have a hard time seeing anyone on the Iron Throne at the end. Westeros has had enough of kings of kings.
Well I guess the point would be that they get to have some say on who will rule and how they should rule. Which would be some progress from the absolutism of the old way.
That makes sense to sell the books but i imagine HBO may have paid him a fee to not release the books. I mean it would have really killed this final season if the book had come out.
I don't think the books ending will be that different. It'll continue the side stories they've cut out but it won't be a happy ending.
The books can not surely be written.
The last one shows he was all over the place, I honestly think he isn't even interested at this point.
At what point is an abbreviation considered too long? ASOIAF is pushing that if you ask me.
Why would it kill it?
Didn't hurt the series up until now. Surely the Winds of Winter could have been released safely by now without 'killing the final season'.
He wrote a blog post about two days ago citing the rumours as bullshit. So he's back to everyone thinking he's a lazy turd again.
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He wrote a blog post about two days ago citing the rumours as bullshit. So he's back to everyone thinking he's a lazy turd again.
Nope. He's not lazy, just can't finish it and really doesn't even see a need to.
Christ, was that all? Felt far longer. Surprised by that.
I find the attitude of not finishing a piece of work despite it being followed by millions of people lazy.
He's got the celebrity status now, turning up to premieres of the Tolkien film (???) rather than actually focusing down on finishing his work. I don't blame him for what its worth, I think the majority of us would do the same in his position.
Absolutely. He is a brilliant visionary but his actual writing isn't that good. Plus he has an advantage of not being limited in terms time/money/number of characters over the show, although he'd probably write a better script than the showrunners anyway.
Bring back Eragon
There is always the possibility that he appeared in some of the Daenerys' chapters too. I think that she discussed him with Ser Barristan.
- To kill the Night King they will have to kill Bran in the books as Bran and the Nigh King will be shown to be connected (not quite the "same" person but the same meta-phenomenon - both must be killed or the other will regenerate somehow)
- Jaime will not go back to love and die with Cersei
- The Hound and the Mountain will not die together in some Hollywood-esque cheesiness
- Jon Snow will hopefully not be so predictable and boring
- Melisandre will have a more interesting role
I loved it as a teenager but let’s be honest that’s just a blatant plagiarism of Star Wars.
I remember Patrick Rothfuss used to cheekily tease Martin about not finishing books then Rothfuss himself has been lagging on the third book in his own trilogy.
I don't think its lazy, I think he just can't and he knows it.
It sounds silly, but I actually would bet he doesn't really know how to end it but all the ego the fame has given him won't let someone else do it for him. He was never a great writer, anyone who has read those books surely sees that, and now the best thing for him is to let the tv show take it to the conclusion and all the flak. It's smart in a way imo.
The tv show would undoubtedly be better with a proper writer in charge. But I will give credit, some of those scenes (like Jaime vs Ned, Hardhome) have been much better than the books, and at least they've found an ending.
I can forgive them everything for casting Nathalie Emmanuel in a place of a 10-year old girl.
Long time since i read them all but isn't Euron prophesied to sit on the Iron throne (most likely very briefly). His character was very disturbing I recall.
This is going to sound very elitist but my standards for fantasy writers are far lower than other genres so:
Would you rate Martin as a good fantasy writer?
He doesn't have the Horn of Winter in the show so that prophecy would have been written out (I believe they were connected)
I'd agree. Yes, if we extract all of the sex scenes that are written by a creepy horny 60-year old virgin.
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George Martin is incel
I know it wasn't aimed at me, but I'll say I don't even know. I'm not an avid fantasy reader.
I just found these books to be incredibly samey in terms of the descriptions, I found it all very simplistic and heavily descriptive in areas it really didn't need to be. I think the world is great, the political intrigue is great, I even love the house and character names. I just don't find what he did with the world all that interesting or different past the first 2 or 3 books, I honestly don't think he knew what to do past his plan. Hence why he started focusing on the world around it in other books, I think his strength was always the imagination not the realisation of the story.
But again, I don't read many fantasy books so I'm sure someone can tell me I'm wrong about that.
Book Euron has a suit of Valyrian steel armour. Imagine show Euron in that?
Didn't Euron use it to prove his claim on the Iron Islands in the show? I swear, I can remember that scene so clearly, but it seems that I've just visualised something that only happened in the books
Didn't Euron use it to prove his claim on the Iron Islands in the show? I swear, I can remember that scene so clearly, but it seems that I've just visualised something that only happened in the books
Oh dang, now you have me wondering if they showed that in show and I have to go now! This is going to bother me all day
Oh dang, now you have me wondering if they showed that in show and I have to go now! This is going to bother me all day
They didn’t, they messed up that scene entirely by going for cock jokes.
Rickon is alive in the books still isn't he? I'm hoping his end will be different, perhaps give him a story ark, he is a stark after all.
I think him and Osha went with Shaggy Dog to Skagos. Which may just have been GRRM's way of writing him out or starting a whole new adventure with the people of Skagos.
Been waiting since 2012 - when last one released in paperback - Dance with Dragons Part 2.
He has written lots of other books about the different houses / characters since.
So he has had plenty of time and even when the TV series - which I have not watched - caught up he didn't seem that bothered with continuing the story.
Dan Brown did the same when his Da Vinci Code hit the screen - took 6 years before he picked up his pen again.
Thankfully Raymond Feist and his magician series filled the gap.
He has written lots of other books about the different houses / characters since.
So he has had plenty of time and even when the TV series - which I have not watched - caught up he didn't seem that bothered with continuing the story.
Dan Brown did the same when his Da Vinci Code hit the screen - took 6 years before he picked up his pen again.
Thankfully Raymond Feist and his magician series filled the gap.
This. We will get Winds of Winter. Doubt we get a dream of Spring if he hasn't even started it
He can still show up somehow hopefully, I've always thought he was better than bran.
We finally agree! The scope in which he has attempted to work has been inspiring, but as you said, it's fairly evident he's made a lot up as he's gone along. There's no inherent problem with that, some of our greatest authors have been 'pantsers', but there comes a time where you need to begin writing to a finale, and your story arcs need to coalesce and complete. Instead he's allowed his world to expand and expand, to the point in which there's no hope of finishing the series in a concise and satisfying manner. He knows this, and so I too believe he has no real intention in completing it. He's released 1 ASOIAF novel in 14 years ffs.
Also Bronn is a minor character in the books, even George talked about how he doesn't like minor characters getting too much attention and that guy got much more than he deserves imo.
I’ve always thought GRRM moved Winds and Dream aside to do his version of the Simarillion (TWOIAF & Fire & Blood etc) was so that his created universe would have a chance of living beyond ASOIAF and not be potentially bastardised by people who turn it into blatant cheap fan fiction.
Some chapters of Winds are done and GRRM has done readings of them so I can’t imagine it’s too far away. The day it’s formally announced is going to be probably record breaking for book pre orders or numbers close to when the last Harry Potter book was announced.
Some chapters of Winds are done and GRRM has done readings of them so I can’t imagine it’s too far away. The day it’s formally announced is going to be probably record breaking for book pre orders or numbers close to when the last Harry Potter book was announced.
I think she became too big a fan of fanfiction. The last book was awful.
Bran is really fascinating at the beginning of story IMO. He has the best monologues in the series.
Admitely, he becomes more boring (though not as boring as in the show) in the latest few books. He's super important for the series though, Martin considers him one of the top 5 characters (despite that Sansa who is not in top 5 has more POV chapters).