So let's talk about Eddie Howe....

M16Red said:
I've watched Bournemouth a couple of times and they play good SIMPLE football. All managers have risk, why not.. I've never seen this guy dig out his players.
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It's a deliberate and publically stated policy on his part. He wants the players to play out from the back mostly, although with some changes as linked above, and not be afraid if they make a mistake. The fact is if you play out from the back mistakes will happen sometimes. If you then lambast your players to the media they're going to be scared of doing it in the future. Here's an example where he deals with that exact scenario back in April:

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"Fielding a question about Saints’ winning goal, when Steve Cook had surrendered possession to Tadic, Howe said: “I never criticise individuals for a mistake like the one which happened for the goal because you need players to take responsibility. If we want to play a football-based game and pass the ball, there will be mistakes.

“It’s about recovering from those mistakes and trying to cover them as a team. That’s where you look for your team-mates to bail you out and maybe produce a piece of good defending. It didn’t happen in that moment.

“But I have to say Steve Cook has been outstanding for us in the past few weeks so that’s part and parcel of the game.”"

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/s...r_own_downfall_says_Cherries_boss_Eddie_Howe/
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He'll make it a team collective responsibility and also his own responsibility for telling them to play like that. Seems like a good policy to me. Of course, it's possible I'm slightly biased...
 
L1nk said:
Great man, great manager. Get the feeling it would be Moyes all over again though, well out of his depth.
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Moyes was a pragmatic manager though. I don't think that type of manager is suited for big clubs anymore. The best analogy I can think of is Hodgson vs Rodgers. While Rodgers isn't a world class manager his style of play translated at Liverpool for at least a season, and they were a slip away from the title. Hodgson's pragmatism failed immediately. I think Howe could do well.
 
Moyes was great in the era where cheap loan deals and free transfers were key for a good portion of the Premier League clubs, but as the money started to roll in, he faded out.

An Everton mate of mine always used to say Moyes was very hesitant to spending lots of money and would rather thoroughly research a player before even considering to buy them, by which time the window closed or someone else has bought them. He didn’t have the level of gut instinct you need at the highest level. Also Moyes’ style of football throughout his Everton time wasn’t the greatest on the eye by any means.

Howe on the other hand does have a good style going and has kept a very small team in the top league while still looking like an attractive outfit season after season.
 
When Moyes is getting compared to Howe it does make you wonder if they even knew anything about him before he joined United
 
Wayne's World said:
So is he ready to make the next step and become a manager of a top 6 side or even us. Look whatever happens after Mourinho, there's no sure things out there for winning trophies like Guardiola is with City currently. Look I know people will conclude that this could turn out like Moyes and he'd find himself out of his depth but his style of football, his belief in players to play football the right way, his relationship with supporters and board is something we are lacking at Manchester United.
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As daft as this sounds given that they're above us in the league, I don't think Man United is "the next step" up from Bournemouth. I'd have thought (in descending order) Spurs, Everton and West Ham would be the next step as those clubs have added resources and pressure.
 
If we had a DoF in place I'd love us to take a punt with a manager like him.
 
Howe is doing a great job at Bournemouth. Linking him with united is madness in my opinion.
 
Tyrion said:
As daft as this sounds given that they're above us in the league, I don't think Man United is "the next step" up from Bournemouth. I'd have thought (in descending order) Spurs, Everton and West Ham would be the next step as those clubs have added resources and pressure.
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What planet are you living on
 
I said a couple of years back that we should keep an eye on him as a potential United manager and he's only confirmed that, for me. He's done a magnificent job for Bournemouth and I've always loved watching them as well. They have pace and power but also play classy tactically progrescie football.
 
Ronaldo's Mum Eh? said:
Going to be Moyes part 2
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Could be. But what he has in his favour is that his team doesn't play negative small club football. He sets his team up to play with style and intent to attack. In that sense he's not very Moyes.
 
He's done really well so far.

And to be fair, Moyes played shit football even at Everton, his mentality was always "We are the inferior side so We must defend and nick a goal". So the only thing similar between him and Moyes is that They started at smaller clubs that were never competing for the league. I don't think Woodward is brave enough to take the risk, though.
 
MackRobinson said:
Why is it madness?
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It’s one of the biggest jobs in football where we have seen some of the most experienced managers in the modern game get swallowed by media and narrative. Ferguson himself has said at length about how the job is way bigger than football aspects. It’s a beast Howe has no experience even close to dealing with. It involves managing some of the biggest egos in the game where moyes, van gaal and mourinho have seemingly all lost at least some power to players. How would Howe fair at Real Madrid in a similar climate?
He has never won a trophy.
He has never managed in Europe.
There are big questions over his ability to have an effective defensive set up.

I could go on. I think Howe is very good. And that Manchester United is far too big for him right now.
 
automaticflare said:
What planet are you living on
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He’s saying that stepping up from Bournemouth there would be a tier of big clubs like Tottenham , West Ham , Everton. All below the tier of managing Man Utd? What part do you think is so crazy? I’d argue Tottenham are closer to the top tier now but the candidates for managing Everton and West Ham should be very very different from those under consideration by united. The moyes misstep aside.
 
The job he did at Bournemouth is nothing but brilliant. He also sticks to his style of play, no matter who the opponent is and keeps the ball on the ground which is very different from other English managers.
 
Will Dance For Chocolate said:
It's a deliberate and publically stated policy on his part. He wants the players to play out from the back mostly, although with some changes as linked above, and not be afraid if they make a mistake. The fact is if you play out from the back mistakes will happen sometimes. If you then lambast your players to the media they're going to be scared of doing it in the future. Here's an example where he deals with that exact scenario back in April:

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"Fielding a question about Saints’ winning goal, when Steve Cook had surrendered possession to Tadic, Howe said: “I never criticise individuals for a mistake like the one which happened for the goal because you need players to take responsibility. If we want to play a football-based game and pass the ball, there will be mistakes.

“It’s about recovering from those mistakes and trying to cover them as a team. That’s where you look for your team-mates to bail you out and maybe produce a piece of good defending. It didn’t happen in that moment.

“But I have to say Steve Cook has been outstanding for us in the past few weeks so that’s part and parcel of the game.”"

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/s...r_own_downfall_says_Cherries_boss_Eddie_Howe/
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He'll make it a team collective responsibility and also his own responsibility for telling them to play like that. Seems like a good policy to me. Of course, it's possible I'm slightly biased...
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Didn’t notice you on here as a Bournemouth fan before!

Welcome! My uncle lives there so I’ve been going to games since I was a kid, August and Easter breaks, as much as you can have a “second club” it’s always been Bournemouth for me. Been a hell of a ride the last few years. Howe is an absolute gent. Bournemouth is the perfect club for him though, and it would be interesting to see him at a bigger club, though I doubt he would overachieve to this level, comparatively, anywhere else.
 
SER19 said:
It’s one of the biggest jobs in football where we have seen some of the most experienced managers in the modern game get swallowed by media and narrative. Ferguson himself has said at length about how the job is way bigger than football aspects. It’s a beast Howe has no experience even close to dealing with. It involves managing some of the biggest egos in the game where moyes, van gaal and mourinho have seemingly all lost at least some power to players. How would Howe fair at Real Madrid in a similar climate?
He has never won a trophy.
He has never managed in Europe.
There are big questions over his ability to have an effective defensive set up.

I could go on. I think Howe is very good. And that Manchester United is far too big for him right now.
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No offense to you personally, but the appeal to accomplishments fallacy that fans of big clubs continually adhere to ignores obvious and fairly recent examples.

Pep Guardiola managed Barcelona's B team before winning everything with Barcelona.
Zidane did the same with Real Madrid.
Klopp got Mainz relegated before getting to Dortmund job.
Laurent Blanc won Ligue 1 with Bordeaux in his first managerial job.

There are probably a lot more examples, but I didn't bother researching. You do have to admit that going after the "proven winners" hasn't really worked out in United's favor don't you think?
 
SER19 said:
He’s saying that stepping up from Bournemouth there would be a tier of big clubs like Tottenham , West Ham , Everton. All below the tier of managing Man Utd? What part do you think is so crazy? I’d argue Tottenham are closer to the top tier now but the candidates for managing Everton and West Ham should be very very different from those under consideration by united. The moyes misstep aside.
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Oh I totally misread it my bad ☹️
 
MackRobinson said:
No offense to you personally, but the appeal to accomplishments fallacy that fans of big clubs continually adhere to ignores obvious and fairly recent examples.

Pep Guardiola managed Barcelona's B team before winning everything with Barcelona.
Zidane did the same with Real Madrid.
Klopp got Mainz relegated before getting to Dortmund job.
Laurent Blanc won Ligue 1 with Bordeaux in his first managerial job.

There are probably a lot more examples, but I didn't bother researching. You do have to admit that going after the "proven winners" hasn't really worked out in United's favor don't you think?
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There are examples though 3 of those you give were incredibly respected and succesful players. You could also argue that Bordeaux and Dortmund are not the level I’m talkimg about, big clubs I respect but a different beast to united. It shouldn't be the case, but at the biggest clubs esteem and gravitas is important for managing egos. There are very few examples of inexperienced managers excelling at the very top clubs that werent at least closely related as succesful players
 
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The best English coach by far.

So much better to see his Bournemouth doing well than dinosaur Dyche.
 
2 man midfield said:
How he's not been offered the England job I'll never know. Well, he might've been for all I know but you'd think he'd say yes.

Would definitely be on my shortlist of names if Jose went.
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The last time the England manager’s job was available, Howe had only coached in the Premier League for one season.

Southgate is doing well at the moment but I’m sure Howe will be at the top of the shortlist should the job become available again.
 
Will Dance For Chocolate said:
It's a deliberate and publically stated policy on his part. He wants the players to play out from the back mostly, although with some changes as linked above, and not be afraid if they make a mistake. The fact is if you play out from the back mistakes will happen sometimes. If you then lambast your players to the media they're going to be scared of doing it in the future. Here's an example where he deals with that exact scenario back in April:

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"Fielding a question about Saints’ winning goal, when Steve Cook had surrendered possession to Tadic, Howe said: “I never criticise individuals for a mistake like the one which happened for the goal because you need players to take responsibility. If we want to play a football-based game and pass the ball, there will be mistakes.

“It’s about recovering from those mistakes and trying to cover them as a team. That’s where you look for your team-mates to bail you out and maybe produce a piece of good defending. It didn’t happen in that moment.

“But I have to say Steve Cook has been outstanding for us in the past few weeks so that’s part and parcel of the game.”"

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/s...r_own_downfall_says_Cherries_boss_Eddie_Howe/
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He'll make it a team collective responsibility and also his own responsibility for telling them to play like that. Seems like a good policy to me. Of course, it's possible I'm slightly biased...
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That's a brilliant quote. He nailed it! It's probably one of the best type of attitude that you need in this modern football for a manager who doesn't have too much power in a club in order to handle both media & players. No big ego & humble.
 
Future England manager, that's for sure.
Possibly even after Gareth Southgate?
 
RochaRoja said:
The last time the England manager’s job was available, Howe had only coached in the Premier League for one season.

Southgate is doing well at the moment but I’m sure Howe will be at the top of the shortlist should the job become available again.
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He had but the work he’d done in getting them there was clear for all to see. Surely he stood out as the best English manager even then. He’d done more to stake a claim than Southgate did which was seemingly just ‘knowing all the lads already’.

I don’t want to put him down too much after making the semis but you take my point.
 
You watch Bournemouth and you see a well coached unit. Christ, even watching Frank Lampard's Derby yesterday showed you what someone with a clue can do in a short period of time. And then there's us.....
 
Think they will actually be favourites against us next week.
 
Good manager. Not for us at this stage. Down the line if we establish a good structure and he continues to impress, sure.
 
They are in 6th spot just 6 points from the top? Didn't realize that at all. Fantastic stuff from Howe.

Good like a team taking a risk in a young up and coming manager rather than focusing on the roulette of experienced managers going around Europe.
 
SER19 said:
There are examples though 3 of those you give were incredibly respected and succesful players. You could also argue that Bordeaux and Dortmund are not the level I’m talkimg about, big clubs I respect but a different beast to united. It shouldn't be the case, but at the biggest clubs esteem and gravitas is important for managing egos.

There are very few examples of inexperienced managers excelling at the very top clubs that werent at least closely related as succesful players
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I don’t doubt it gets you off to a good start. Surely the players understanding what you’re on about, and believing that they can make it work, is more important though?

I always enjoy Howe’s interviews. Intelligence certainly, but there’s a lot more; lucidity and, dare I say it, underlying passion.

That said, I wouldn’t want him anywhere near United while the present “structure” remains in place. For both our sake and his.
 
Howe would be a good fit if we brought in a DOF - I think him and Paul Mitchell could work well together.
 
Funny to see people dissing Bournemouth and Howe given that Sir Alex came from Aberdeen FC. I think Howe with the right staff around him including a DOF would be a brilliant move. He would get us back to playing football befitting this great club. He strikes me as a really smart, well spoken,positive person with a certain degree of humility about him. I have had enough of Mourinho and his pathetic behaviour in a job most people in football would like to be in. Mourinho is being paid huge amounts of money, has signed players for 400 million pounds and behaves like nobody is doing enough for him. He is behaving like a spoilt primadonna, sack him and get Howe as manager.
 
Wouldn't be against him becoming United manager.

The club might fear we won't be able to attract big name players but also the longer we keep failing that will come true anyway. Eddie would probably be like Poch when he left Southampton and would need a while to get lower key players in and prove himself. I'm also keen to get someone in who's good and hungry for success like the great man himself.

If Pogba and De Gea go, Howe could be the type of manager we need to turn to. I suspect the club will try once more with a more well known name and a decent amount of dosh.
 
johanovic said:
Funny to see people dissing Bournemouth and Howe given that Sir Alex came from Aberdeen FC. I think Howe with the right staff around him including a DOF would be a brilliant move. He would get us back to playing football befitting this great club. He strikes me as a really smart, well spoken,positive person with a certain degree of humility about him. I have had enough of Mourinho and his pathetic behaviour in a job most people in football would like to be in. Mourinho is being paid huge amounts of money, has signed players for 400 million pounds and behaves like nobody is doing enough for him. He is behaving like a spoilt primadonna, sack him and get Howe as manager.
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Talk of managers who have won cups and titles. It's like they forgot that Jose and LVG had won all of that. Howe seems like he would be a good fit with the way he sets up his to play. God knows we all just want to be entertained at this point. We would also probably be able to install a director of footbal with a manager who does not have the Jose ego.
 
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