So let's talk about Eddie Howe....

Their players work very hard. I can't imagine our lads working as hard as theirs.

I love the 4-4-2 though. When it's done with movement, workrate and energy it's still the best formation.
 
CA1 said:
Their players work very hard. I can't imagine our lads working as hard as theirs.
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When you show respect and faith in your players, they tend to reciprocate.
 
CA1 said:
Their players work very hard. I can't imagine our lads working as hard as theirs.

I love the 4-4-2 though. When it's done with movement, workrate and energy it's still the best formation.
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Players will work hard when they believe in the manager
 
Looks a decent prospect from a tactical POV. Will still be a gamble for a bigger club with regards to the handling of more, uhm, entitled players at topclubs.
 
I really like him. Quality manager. Have a feeling he'll make the step up wherever he goes.
 
Hows he against packed defences ? The biggest on field problem he is going to face is the pressure at home games when the opposition teams gets 10 man behind the ball . We have seen this possession approach during LVG era which exactly wasn't working quite well. It might suit us in big games though.
 
B'mouth are about doubling the size of their stadium, I think. He might want to stay there for the first season of that. He's got plenty of time to go to a big club as he's only 40.

Anyway, why not wait till he's attained consecutive top 10 finishes in the PL? That's what Pochettino did at Soton.
 
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Our players will think they're too good for Eddie Howe...
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Yeah that would be my fear too. I'd take Dyche but you know the whingeing would start on day 1.
 
Would be worse than Moyes . I don't get why people want to make the same mistakes over and over
 
Well he comfortably plays better football than Moyes ever has, but yes it would be an insane risk, but at this point, I'd take anyone over what we've got.
 
Dammit. Arsenal just scored. He’s out again before he’s in.
But seriously, he has got that bunch of players competing in the top 8.
If he doesn’t take any shit from our overpaid underperformers, he could be great.
 
bond19821982 said:
Hows he against packed defences ? The biggest on field problem he is going to face is the pressure at home games when the opposition teams gets 10 man behind the ball . We have seen this possession approach during LVG era which exactly wasn't working quite well. It might suit us in big games though.
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We won’t know, Bournemouth don’t play against packed defences. And to be fair, they don’t impress me that much. Some good players all focusing on the league each week, no expectations or pressure, still just mid-table with Leicester, Wolves and Watford. Exactly where everyone expects them to be. Howe hasn’t really shown me anything to make him ready for a top job, the risk is way too big.
 
I get the Brenton vibe off him. Can’t coach a defence, which is vital for every top club. One of the reasons Mourinho is failing here because he’s lost that ability.
 
I'd give Eddie Howe a go to be fair. If any of our players think they're too big time to play for him they can feck off with Jose.
 
Don't want him anywhere near here. Though obviously if he was the only choice on the planet to replace Mourinho I'd take it.
 
James Peril said:
We won’t know, Bournemouth don’t play against packed defences. And to be fair, they don’t impress me that much. Some good players all focusing on the league each week, no expectations or pressure, still just mid-table with Leicester, Wolves and Watford. Exactly where everyone expects them to be. Howe hasn’t really shown me anything to make him ready for a top job, the risk is way too big.
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I think there's a good argument to be made that Bournemouth are punching just being in the Premier League, let alone being comfortable in it.
 
We wouldn’t risk Howe after what happened with Moyes. Say what you like about Van Gaal and Jose but they both won a (fake) treble between them at Utd in their short tenure.

Howe is a huge risk. He can’t organise a defence and his teams are far too open.

I think it would only end in tears here.
 
RedNed77 said:
I think there's a good argument to be made that Bournemouth are punching just being in the Premier League, let alone being comfortable in it.
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Completely agree. People seem to forget where they've come from and just how tiny the club is. It's a miracle they're as established in the premier league as they are.
 
Worth remembering Pochettino had losing runs at Southampton and times when they conceded 2-3 goals on a regular basis. Bournemouth kept 4 clean sheets this season so pretty much par for being 8th in the league.

Surely you could say Sarri struggles to organise a defence as Chelsea conceded 2 to Arsenal and 3 to Spurs. Also hasn't won much in his career.
 
Hard to judge him properly. Good attacking play for sure for such a team, but how well he would do at a top team offensively and defensively, and also managing stars with more money to spend is impossible to say, unless we see it in real life
 
izec said:
Hard to judge him properly. Good attacking play for sure for such a team, but how well he would do at a top team offensively and defensively, and also managing stars with more money to spend is impossible to say, unless we see it in real life
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He should still get a chance. With this sort of mentality in other countries Sarri would still be managing at Empoli and Kovac at Frankfurt....actually Bayern fans would probably want that.:lol:
 
starman said:
I don't get why people compare him to Moyes...:rolleyes:
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Because it is easy, a British PL manager who won nothing, so he must be another Moyes.
I was guilty of that too, before realising how serious our issues are and how long the process is going to take, I dont think there’s a single manager, maybe Pep aside, who could make us competitive within 1-2 years.

Howe is doing a better job than Moyes did at Everton, and Bournemouth are punching way higher above their weight than Everton and Moyes did. Iirc Everton consistently had about the 6th highest wage bill in the league, which is more or less where they finished in their better seasons under Moyes. I’ll be surprised of Bournemouth wage bill isn’t in the bottom 5 in the league.
Bournemouth are also playing far better football than Everton did under Moyes.

I’m definitely in the “Howe IN” camp.
 
He's been incredibly loyal to players like Simon Francis. There seems to be goals leaking from him or mistakes every game.
The refusal to move on has held him back sometimes.

The winner from Arsenal was an easy pass behind him.
Howe should have replaced these kinds of players already. He's had ample time, and enough funds.
 
izec said:
Hard to judge him properly. Good attacking play for sure for such a team, but how well he would do at a top team offensively and defensively, and also managing stars with more money to spend is impossible to say, unless we see it in real life
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By this logic, we shouldn't have bought e.g. Van Nistelrooy and Cristiano Ronaldo. How could would know how well they'd do in the PL when they'd only played in a lesser league before? Perhaps we should only buy Real Madrid cast-offs from here on out.
 
Pretty certain he'll end up as the next Spurs manager if Poch does leave at the end of the season, and I feel, although, he'll have a rocky start, he'll come good eventually
 
RedNed77 said:
I think there's a good argument to be made that Bournemouth are punching just being in the Premier League, let alone being comfortable in it.
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For sure they are a Championship-club at best, but we can only judge their players and money spent. It’s not like they are 4th and scoring enormous amounts of goals, they are 8th. When we turn 19 games, they’ll have played City, Liverpool and Spurs and will probably be 10th. With players like King, Ake, Wilson, Fraser and Lerma, that’s exactly where they should be. Take away Fraser and Wilson’s form and the team falls further down. I’m impressed by Howe, but I’m certainly not that impressed. Managing United is another business entirely, he’s probably too young and inexperienced to handle the politics involved.
 
Still doing well the fact they took the game at home to Arsenal is like night and day to what we saw yesterday. Not sure he is the right man but if we went out with attitude of his team we would be much better placed in the league.
 
I think he would become a Moyes V2. In terms of style of play Howe is much better than Moyes but I think he would have the same problem of getting undermined by the players. Also if you look at when we played them it was deeply worrying as he couldn't even mamage his team to get a draw against the most piss poor Man Utd side I've ever seen. I am also 100% sure he is not the kind of manager Woodward would even consider hiring so thats that.
 
The greatest thing I see about Howe apart from his play is that he seems to manage to get this increased level of performance from players that I have hardly ever heard of, players that you would argue would struggle to get in to teams lower than Bournemouth in the league.

Historically I have seen managers that seem to do well at smaller clubs, and this tends o be because they actually have some good players accumulated by the manager where they end up doing a decent job for that club level. Moyes had managed to get players like fellaini, cahill, Baines, Coleman, Pienaar etc etc all players plus more that were capable of occasionally pulling a rabbit out of a hat. Then the same with Pochettino - a manager that is no doubt class but always had good players with him be it Wanyama, schneirderlin, Clyne, Llalana, Lovren, Shaw, Prowse etc etc. Brendan rodgers had ashley williams, Leon Britton, Michael Vorm, Joe Allen, Sigurdsson, Angel Rangel,

With Bournemouth I hardly see anyone of note on that same level - maybe Lewis cook, Callum Wilson, boruc and Ake? But again not anyone that I'd look at as a player capable pulling a magic trick when the club needed it the most atleast not in comparison to Moyes's, Rodgers and Pochettino's team.

Thats what makes me interested in Howe - What could he potentially build at United if he had the ability to get so much of so little? It's a very simplistic view on football - but then again I look at a player like Rashford and his game plan would instantly blend with Howe's who uses Defoe as a back up striker for ffs..
 
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CA1 said:
Our players will think they're too good for Eddie Howe...
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That is a real danger, especially with a group of players who do not understand the Manchester United ethos or who think they are bigger than the club.

They will take one look at him and say Eddie who?

That was pretty much their reaction to David Moyes who had achieved similar levels of success at Everton.
I really like what he has achieved at tiny Bournemouth but it is very difficult to transfer that to a dysfunctional club like United.
 
Just out of curiousity which players are everyone referring to who don't get the club/think they're bigger than it?
 
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