Sir Jim Ratcliffe: I want to buy Manchester United | Will make a bid for the club [Telegraph]

golden_blunder said:
Wembley cost 1bn and the price off materials has since skyrocketed
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Emptyhad Stadium cost £112m to build in 2002 and a further £22m to convert to football rather than athletics stadium.

The Emirates stadium cost £390m in 2006.

Wembley Stadium cost £798m to build in 2007 but was way over budget and the original estimate.

The London (Olympic) Stadium cost £486m to build in 2012 and a further £323m in 2016 to convert to a football venue for West Ham.

Spurs stadium cost £1bn to build I. 2019.

Given these figures, and the size/capacity of a OT replacement £1bn is probably a conservative estimate.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Tbf most of Wembleys price probably went into somebodys back pocket :lol:

But yes it won't be cheap.

How much was the Spurs stadium?
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Billion quid. Barcelona's redevelopment is costing £1.3b according to most sources. So, whether it's a new stadium or a complete redevelpment, we're looking north of a billion quid. And it's not going to get cheaper.
 
Ciddy said:
speaking too much sense for some I think. I’ve seen people suggesting the stadium needs £1B, the training ground needs £1B and then the expectation that we need billions for transfers. The best stadiums in the world haven’t cost that much and training grounds certainly don’t. Just removing the debt alone will be a massive influx of money.
I believe some form of FFP still exists so we couldn’t and I’m sure, wouldn’t go out all of a sudden and spend £500M every window.
INEOS with their connections could bring in plenty of money to improve everything required. I’d much rather us go down this route than become another oil money play thing used for bragging rights.
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TheReligion said:
Good post.

Quite rare in here at the moment.
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Cheers

I get why everyone is giddy with all the speculation, I’m a bit more pessimistic about shit like this, who knows how things will pan out but like 99% of posters in here I know feck all about how this stuff works but I’m pretty sure if you asked any fan of any club in this country if they’d like a local born billionaire supporter of their club to own their club and invest in their club they’d bite your hand off.
 
And prime Barcelona's structure on the football side of the club doesn't involve only one man. The structure at football clubs involves the scouting, the medical team, sports science, coaching teams and even the data science department now.

Just because City took Txiki Bergistrain from Barcelona doesn't mean they've taken their whole structure/infrastructure, because that was still intact. Txiki himself was given the DoF gig at Barcelona straight from a role he was doing on a TV station working as a football commentator. Soriano was sacked by Joan Laporte.
 
We obviously need to see who the genuine bidders are who step forward....but when you get down to brass tax and write down the figures required to rejuvenate this club and improve the infrastructure at the same time......it's literally screaming middle eastern money. I just don't see the appetite for anyone else. I don't see any yanks taking on that huge financial challenge and Ratcliffe for me isn't serious. He will drop out of the race as he always does.

If we do go Middle Eastern money then I hope it's Dubai purely for the reason that it's an amazing city and becoming more and more westernised by the day. I had a fantastic holiday there this year and I'd love to go back again in the near future.

Saudis eyeing up hosting World Cup 2030 though so keep an eye on them. I'm sure they'd see owning Utd as a great way to achieving that goal similarly to how PSG and Qatar happened to become a partnership less than a year after the world cup vote. Some would say it was almost a package deal. Hahaha
 
crossy1686 said:
Remind me again why we need to spend £1b on a new stadium when we have a perfectly working one and a shite team?
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Stadium is second rate at best. Not acceptable for the club. Look at what Madrid have done as an example.
 
crossy1686 said:
Remind me again why we need to spend £1b on a new stadium when we have a perfectly working one and a shite team?
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Clearly you don't go to games. Our stadium is big and holds a lot of fans, yes, but it's rotting in places. It's not a top class stadium anymore. It's just a big one.

Whether it's a new one from ground up or redevelopment......it's going to cost lots.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
Clearly you don't go to games. Our stadium is big and holds a lot of fans, yes, but it's rotting in places. It's not a top class stadium anymore. It's just a big one.

Whether it's a new one from ground up or redevelopment......it's going to cost lots.
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Not recently but I held a season ticket for years until 2015 and I venture back at least once a year now. A billion quid to fix a bit of rot seems excessive to me, especially when a new stadium doesn’t fix anything other than the fact we get to get battered 5-0 by City and have a pint that fill up from the bottom of the glass instead of the top.
 
crossy1686 said:
If we spend a billion on a new stadium will we win more trophies and will we attract bigger and better players?
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If we spend a billion on the stadium the chances are we’ll also be spending big on other infrastructure within the club so the answer is yes.

The issues at the club have never been about signing players.
 
Adnan said:
The structure on the football side of the club at Man City was put in place by Brian Marwood. He joined City in 2009, from Nike, and as the football administrator/director, he developed the strategy where the scouting and data analytics side grew to what it is today. Three years after his arrival, City had won the league. The Barcelona chaps only arrived later and due to Marwood stepping away after being in the role for several years. Soriano who is the CEO currently at City was fired from Barcelona and joined City after overseeing the demise of Catalan Airlines who went bankrupt. He didn't join from Barcelona.

Whoever the new owners are, they must engage with the fans and not look at the fans like customers to bleed dry.
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Nice Wikipedia copy and paste!

Would love to know how City's owners actively engage with the fans?
 
BluesJr said:
If we spend a billion on the stadium the chances are we’ll also be spending big on other infrastructure within the club so the answer is yes.

The issues at the club have never been about signing players.
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Or we’ll spend a billion on the stadium and next to nothing on players due to FFP or whatever restrictions we’ll have placed on us for having rich owners.
 
crossy1686 said:
Okay, and is that needed today? Or can it wait?
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If we can do it today, why wait until tomorrow? And if someone is willing to do it today, then they will also have the means to invest on the playing side of the club.
 
crossy1686 said:
Compared to what?
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Compared to best in class stadiums. It’s hugely historic and I love it every time I go, but it’s so dated and the facilities are poor compared to what’s available elsewhere.
 
Adnan said:
If we can do it today, why wait until tomorrow? And if someone is willing to do it today, then they will also have the means to invest on the playing side of the club.
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Mind blowing not everyone is on the same page with this.
 
Champ said:
Nice Wikipedia copy and paste!

Would love to know how City's owners actively engage with the fans?
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It isn't a Wiki copy and paste, which can easily be verified.

And what has the City ownership got to do with what I said about new owners engaging with United fans?
 
Adnan said:
If we can do it today, why wait until tomorrow? And if someone is willing to do it today, then they will also have the means to invest on the playing side of the club.
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How can the club, baring in mind that FFP and whatever local restrictions the FA have in place is a thing, can spend over a billion on a stadium and buy a bunch of players as well?

Call me old fashioned but I’d rather we were competitive on the pitch, winning trophies and playing at the dog and duck than having a cheese room and an events space for the next black eyed peas gig. It’s all totally irrelevant to the footballing side of Manchester United
 
Adnan said:
It isn't a Wiki copy and paste, which can easily be verified.

And what has the City ownership got to do with what I said about new owners engaging with United fans?
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It is, but that's cool.

You were talking about cities owners and then implying that United owners need to do similar.
 
BluesJr said:
Compared to best in class stadiums. It’s hugely historic and I love it every time I go, but it’s so dated and the facilities are poor compared to what’s available elsewhere.
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What facilities? You want a cheese room? Maybe a £25 burger like at arsenal? What’s best in class anyway? What does that even mean?

Just give me a PL title and do a bit of work on a historic and legendary stadium if needed. Old Trafford is still a great stadium.
 
Champ said:
It is, but that's cool.

You were talking about cities owners and then implying that United owners need to do similar.
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I was talking about City owners in response to a poster who brought up the structure at City.

And the second paragraph was independent from the first one, where I want United's new owners to engage with fans and not treat the fans like customers to milk for financial gain.

And I don't need to go on Wikipedia, because I have read and heard more than enough about Barcelona and Man City's structural foundations to give more than a informed opinion on how they're structured and who the key players are on the structural side of the club.
 
Sir Jim would be my preference (as if it matters).Rather not be a play thing of a sports washing state(morale high ground and all that)and maybe,just maybe,in some righteous not to distant future the oil states get drummed out of football or just get bored and feck off already.
 
crossy1686 said:
Okay, and is that needed today? Or can it wait?
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Work need to start as soon as possible its not just the stadium its quite a lot of our facilities, and by the way it does not mean playing staff and winning needs to be put aside.
 
crossy1686 said:
How can the club, baring in mind that FFP and whatever local restrictions the FA have in place is a thing, can spend over a billion on a stadium and buy a bunch of players as well?

Call me old fashioned but I’d rather we were competitive on the pitch, winning trophies and playing at the dog and duck than having a cheese room and an events space for the next black eyed peas gig. It’s all totally irrelevant to the footballing side of Manchester United
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We don't actually need to spend as much on the playing side as maybe you think. I think we can challenge for the title with the right owners within two years and without spending a fortune on overpriced players.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Emptyhad Stadium cost £112m to build in 2002 and a further £22m to convert to football rather than athletics stadium.

The Emirates stadium cost £390m in 2006.

Wembley Stadium cost £798m to build in 2007 but was way over budget and the original estimate.

The London (Olympic) Stadium cost £486m to build in 2012 and a further £323m in 2016 to convert to a football venue for West Ham.

Spurs stadium cost £1bn to build I. 2019.

Given these figures, and the size/capacity of a OT replacement £1bn is probably a conservative estimate.
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Yep, I’d expect it to cost at least that if we Fi for a new stadium
 
Adnan said:
I was talking about City owners in response to a poster who brought up the structure at City.

And the second paragraph was independent from the first one, where I want United's new owners to engage with fans and not treat the fans like customers to milk for financial gain.

And I don't need to go on Wikipedia, because I have read and heard more than enough about Barcelona and Man City's structural foundations to give more than a informed opinion on how they're structured and who the key players are on the structural side of the club.
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Every football club treats their fans like customers. That's what they are!! :lol:

You've tried to claim knowledge by Google searching someone that no relevance to anything in this thread ( Marwood)
 
Adnan said:
I was talking about City owners in response to a poster who brought up the structure at City.

And the second paragraph was independent from the first one, where I want United's new owners to engage with fans and not treat the fans like customers to milk for financial gain.

And I don't need to go on Wikipedia, because I have read and heard more than enough about Barcelona and Man City's structural foundations to give more than a informed opinion on how they're structured and who the key players are on the structural side of the club.
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Very true. Absolutely sick to death of supporters being milked like some spent dairy cow ready for slaughter.

How do you feel about United being nationalised?
 
crossy1686 said:
Not recently but I held a season ticket for years until 2015 and I venture back at least once a year now. A billion quid to fix a bit of rot seems excessive to me, especially when a new stadium doesn’t fix anything other than the fact we get to get battered 5-0 by City and have a pint that fill up from the bottom of the glass instead of the top.
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Barca and Madrid's redevelopment of their huge stadia is said to be north of a billion quid each so I wouldn't rule it out.

I actually could see us playing our home games at Wembley for a year (much to the annoyance of many fans) whilst they redevelop the stadium or knock it down and start again.
 
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