Silvestre - Contract stuff?

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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You have to admit its very rare for us to let a player get so near the end of his contract, almost every other player has been put on long contracts 2 years before their old one was due to expire. He's out of here, he's had too many chances, he's just too inconsistent.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If that were the case then he would've been dealt already. I think he'll sign on again and continue to improve.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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If that were the case then he would've been dealt already. I think he'll sign on again and continue to improve.</strong><hr></blockquote>
There's been no word of a new contract offer, its just a case of waiting to sign a replacement first - which should happen in the next 2 weeks.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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There's been no word of a new contract offer, its just a case of waiting to sign a replacement first - which should happen in the next 2 weeks.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And you know this how again ?
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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And you know this how again ?</strong><hr></blockquote>
As you would say, I thought it was obvious that it was my opinion. But logic dictates that a new offer would have been made already, as Blanc was made a new offer at the end of the season, and Johnsen was offered a one year but turned it down, and Tweety wasn't offered one at all. And considering the next transfer deadline is Aug 8th then it only leave a few weeks to do this business of buying a replacement and selling him - and now that Rio is out of the way I expect the rest of the signings will no longer be held up, and will be simpler to conclude.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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As you would say, I thought it was obvious that it was my opinion. But logic dictates that a new offer would have been made already, as Blanc was made a new offer at the end of the season, and Johnsen was offered a one year but turned it down, and Tweety wasn't offered one at all. And considering the next transfer deadline is Aug 8th then it only leave a few weeks to do this business of buying a replacement and selling him - and now that Rio is out of the way I expect the rest of the signings will no longer be held up, and will be simpler to conclude.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The reason I don't think it will happen is because we would then in effect have to replace both Denis and Silvestre. We only need one player at that position, and thats to replace Denis. Reality dictates that Silvestre is a Man Utd player, and there have been no credible media links suggesting that he will leave...other than the speculation that you're fabricating in this thread. Am I right or am i right... ;)
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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The reason I don't think it will happen is because we would then in effect have to replace both Denis and Silvestre. We only need one player at that position, and thats to replace Denis. Reality dictates that Silvestre is a Man Utd player, and there have been no credible media links suggesting that he will leave...other than the speculation that you're fabricating in this thread. Am I right or am i right... ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>
No, you're wrong as usual :p ;) Anyway, I'll talk to you more about in a few weeks time, when we'll know for sure.
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This is from a '4thegame' feature:

"Their defence still needs some work and Mikael Silvestre went backwards last season after his improvement in 2000-01. "

Err, are they serious?
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
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The reason I don't think it will happen is because we would then in effect have to replace both Denis and Silvestre. We only need one player at that position, and thats to replace Denis. </strong><hr></blockquote>

You are forgetting a certain Phil Neville and whatever anyone may think about him he can do a job at LB and perhaps Ferguson has enough faith in him for him even to be challenging for a starting spot this year, if not just backup for potentially a new LB. Nothing has been said about Phil leaving has it? And none of you know how SAF rates Philip. Granted, Silvestre has started ahead of him but perhaps the difference is smaller than you may think as far as the gaffer is concerned and he's happy for Mickey to leave and to bring in a new LB.
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Originally posted by Dans:
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You are forgetting a certain Phil Neville and whatever anyone may think about him he can do a job at LB and perhaps Ferguson has enough faith in him for him even to be challenging for a starting spot this year, if not just backup for potentially a new LB.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I can see Phil challenging for Right back spot, not for left back. His performances on the right flank are much better which is probably because he's... right footed?
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Tell me something new Amir ;)

You know, I don't think he will be challenging for RB because we have GN and Brown for that flank. We don't however have the same at LB if Silvestre does leave and tell me where has Phil Neville played at least half his games for us? (I could be wrong but I'd say he's played half if not the majority at LB)
 
Originally posted by Amir:
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I can see Phil challenging for Right back spot, not for left back. His performances on the right flank are much better which is probably because he's... right footed?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree that he's better on the right, but he's still an adequate backup for the left, unless the first team candidate gets a serious injury, and then I'd be worried.

I'm going to be even more controversial now and say I can't see the nevilles staying at OT until they retire, although they may last out Fergie's reign.
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Originally posted by Dans:
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You know, I don't think he will be challenging for RB because we have GN and Brown for that flank. We don't however have the same at LB if Silvestre does leave and tell me where has Phil Neville played at least half his games for us? (I could be wrong but I'd say he's played half if not the majority at LB)</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think that over the last 3 seasons Phil has barely played at left back. Most of his appearances were on the right. I agree Brown is an option on the right, but I still think Phil is second choice there, while Brown is still a prime candidate for centerhalf.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Sorin is a bit of a late developer it is true, similar to Micky in that respect I guess, but he's regarded as having improved enormously since those Juve days.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He was a kid when he went to Juve and it was a mistake for him to move that soon.

He has excelled both at Cruzeiro and in the Argentinian team (works very well with Veron). I think he would do the business for us and would help with Veron getting more settled down.
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Originally posted by antohan:
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He was a kid when he went to Juve and it was a mistake for him to move that soon.

He has excelled both at Cruzeiro and in the Argentinian team (works very well with Veron). I think he would do the business for us and would help with Veron getting more settled down.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Do you get to watch those games - what do you think of him, and how he'd fit into the english style of play?
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Do you get to watch those games - what do you think of him, and how he'd fit into the english style of play?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I got to watch him quite a lot playing for Cruzeiro and consistently doing the exact same role as he does for Argentina.

He is a very tactical player, quickly adapting to the "mood" of the game (attack/defend). He tends to show up in the opposite goal, unexpected and unmarked, getting free headers and short range finishes. Most important, he seems to consistently score when it is needed the most. His tandem with Veron has been quite a dangerous weapon for Argentina (even in the WC, despite the result).

He is very hard working, solid and slimy defender with a very hard yet clean (by Argie standards)tackle. Off the pitch he is a great chap, very down to Earth and committed to his club.

Ask any Brazilian (Cruzeiro fan or not) and they will only have words of praise for him (which, again, is an odd characteristic for an Argie, particularly in Brazil!).

Can't see him not fitting in the EPL, he would be a huge success and even more so in the more tactical CL.
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Why get rid of Micky? IMO he was one of our best players in the latter half of last season. Love that feint he does every game. Gives him time to look and many times to progress another 20 yards or so. And he can only get better.
Stay put Micky.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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I definitely don't agree. He's improved significantly each year he's been with us. There are only a handful of other LBs who could walk in and replace him - and most of them aren't available. He's about to enter the prime of his career. Its the last position on our squad that needs a change imo.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I agree with you, but the point is he is going into his final year with no "noises" on contract talks. How many other senior squad players get this dubious "privilege"? Ahem...Yorke aside.
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Oh well, I should have expected the `dish` comment to get more attention than the analysis of Mickey`s attitude to professional football and Manchester United.
But in reply to Marcus` comment (which apparently was very mirthful for one other poster - congratulations), no I am not a dishwasher for my men. They can do their own.
 
Originally posted by giggsgirl:
<strong>Oh well, I should have expected the `dish` comment to get more attention than the analysis of Mickey`s attitude to professional football and Manchester United.
But in reply to Marcus` comment (which apparently was very mirthful for one other poster - congratulations), no I am not a dishwasher for my men. They can do their own.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm sorry, it was too tempting a comment to make and I gave in to it. Sorta like Yorkie and Jordan.

;)

I'm kinda intrigued by the use of the plural reference when you say your "men" though.
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Micky was our most improved player both in 2000-01 and 2001-02. Yes he does make the odd mistake but he's improving at such a rate that we should soon see the end of those mistakes and then he'll be one of the best fullbacks in the world.

It's worrying tho that he hasn't signed a new contract but I'm sure it'll be sorted out soon enough. And Micky will be a United player for many years.
 
I think maybe Silvestre will serve for one more season at LB for MU. Then after that, Fergie will be interested to sign Roberto Carlos from Real Madrid and the Spanish giant club in order to get Ronaldo to strengthen the attack for the next season 2003-4, will try to off-load Carlos for Ronaldo and maybe Veron has a good season for MU this coming season and Carlos realised that maybe he can play well in the Premiership too and he eventually replaced Silvestre for the LB position for the season 2003-4. How abt that, MU fans! :) :)
 
Originally posted by osterdal:
<strong>It's worrying tho that he hasn't signed a new contract but I'm sure it'll be sorted out soon enough. And Micky will be a United player for many years.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm quite puzzled by the current situation: he is not offered a new contract yet, rather than he didn't sign it. If he really insists that he must play as CB, then Fergie has no choice but to sell him. However I really hope that this is not the case, because I think it is a loss for both Micky and us -- We can sign players such as Sorin or Bridge, but I just don't think they are as good as Micky, at least for the time being.
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Antohan, good one about Sorin - it's what i asked in another thread - thanks for that, but a couple of points:

can he move from Lazio, without playing there for atleast a season, and if he comes to us on a one-year loan, will Lazio take the risk that we might not want (very hypothetical!) after that year, leaving them still in debt...

will he himself want to move right away, i imagine he spent some time deciding that Lazio were the right club for him, we were rumoured to be interested even then, yet the Lazio deal worked out (despite them claiming they have NO money)

would he be happy to warm the bench? as i've said before, IMO, Mika's just a season or two away from becoming world-class (FB, not CB!) - and he's only gonna be able to do that by playing regularly, not like last season where Denis was preferred in Europe early on, if he knows AF ha the confidence in him, it will only help him grow - do you think someone like Sorin would displace him?


GG:
good for you...

btw, i can't believe someone who thinks Teddy looks good would have complaints about Mika being called a "dish"
 
Originally posted by amourboy:
<strong>I think maybe Silvestre will serve for one more season at LB for MU. Then after that, Fergie will be interested to sign Roberto Carlos from Real Madrid and the Spanish giant club in order to get Ronaldo to strengthen the attack for the next season 2003-4, will try to off-load Carlos for Ronaldo and maybe Veron has a good season for MU this coming season and Carlos realised that maybe he can play well in the Premiership too and he eventually replaced Silvestre for the LB position for the season 2003-4. How abt that, MU fans! :) :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

I think you've been playing too much Championship Manager. ;)

Carlos is 29 this year. Too old...too late.

I think Wayne Bridge of Southampton looks the best prospect to me. SOlid defender and decent getting forward
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Marcus:
I think you've been playing too much Championship Manager.

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maybe he's already played ahead to the the 2003-4 season and is letting us know what happens ;)
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can anyone confirm that Barca have indeed let Sergi go a on a free transfer?

30+ former Barca defender coming to Utd. on a free transfer- hmm, now where have i heard that before?
 
Originally posted by radd:
<strong>can anyone confirm that Barca have indeed let Sergi go a on a free transfer?

30+ former Barca defender coming to Utd. on a free transfer- hmm, now where have i heard that before?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sergi, Puyol... The rumours keep going on. I don't see what is so fantastic about Barca's defence TBH!

They tend to have defenders with good tecnique but we have enough of those. We need a hard tackling, hard working, bastard of a defender, if anything.
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Originally posted by radd:
<strong>can he move from Lazio, without playing there for atleast a season...

will he himself want to move right away, i imagine he spent some time deciding that Lazio were the right club for him...

would he be happy to warm the bench? as i've said before, IMO, Mika's just a season or two away from becoming world-class (FB, not CB!)... - do you think someone like Sorin would displace him?
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The likelihod of him coming is largely depending on Lazio's situation. Lazio have no money. Worse, they need to pay-up two months wages which they owe in order to be allowed to start Serie A. They also owe us 10-12m from the Stam money.

They are in deep financial shit, they have a player who would certainly interest us (who, having not played, the fans haven't taken to heart), we're the only team with money.

It is likely I would say. Sorin will have probably realised by now that things in Rome are not looking pretty. He was looking forward to partnering the Argie brigade at Lazio but they might be leaving. He might not get his salary paid. Man Utd are a top team and he could partner Veron there... If Lazio decide he is one step out of their problem he will have to dance to the music.

I doubt he would be a permanent warm-bencher. In fact, I rate him higher than Micky and would play him ahead anytime (more so in the CL). Don't see any problems there.

It's all just speculative but everything seems to fit and it certainly fits our needs. I'd be glad to have him with us.
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Originally posted by antohan:
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The likelihod of him coming is largely depending on Lazio's situation. Lazio have no money. Worse, they need to pay-up two months wages which they owe in order to be allowed to start Serie A. They also owe us 10-12m from the Stam money.

They are in deep financial shit, they have a player who would certainly interest us (who, having not played, the fans haven't taken to heart), we're the only team with money.

It is likely I would say. Sorin will have probably realised by now that things in Rome are not looking pretty. He was looking forward to partnering the Argie brigade at Lazio but they might be leaving. He might not get his salary paid. Man Utd are a top team and he could partner Veron there... If Lazio decide he is one step out of their problem he will have to dance to the music.

I doubt he would be a permanent warm-bencher. In fact, I rate him higher than Micky and would play him ahead anytime (more so in the CL). Don't see any problems there.

It's all just speculative but everything seems to fit and it certainly fits our needs. I'd be glad to have him with us.</strong><hr></blockquote>

But cuddly Pete has said NO MORE SIGNINGS. The lazio situation becomes irrelevant.

Hence we have to accept reality. I just hope it doesn't cost us when a few players get injured.
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Kenyon said that we are not looking for any more player, so Silverstre will sign a new contract and stay and that's all.
 
Originally posted by uranushk1:
<strong>Kenyon said that we are not looking for any more player, so Silverstre will sign a new contract and stay and that's all.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think that's prob more like unless Silvestre signs a new contract.
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