Signings to match our system

If money was no object and we could sign the perfect players to take us to the next level in line with LVGs tactics..

RB- Carvajal
CB- Silva/Chiellini
Cm- Verratti
W- ? Ideally he'd want a tactically intelligent wideman.. like a Luis Figo. It's probably why he likes Young
FW - Aguero
 
What do you guys see in Carvajal?

I fail to see him as a good player. He's average, and fecks up a lot. Danilo is going to walk in the team.

I don't have any bias towards him, just never rated him, really.
 
I think the money we paid for di Maria we need to start seeing a return on the investment next season, I still don't see many better wingers out there than di Maria and we have paid good cash, I think he will be more settled and I think we could see a fantastic player.

The engine room is a bit of Rock and a hard place, we look incredible, but? The big question mark, could we do better? Yes. For me the priority is? The defence, and and looking for that player to take carricks reign long term, blind could do it, but if there is a player out there has good as Carrick, we should snap him up.

This summer we need to priority the defence, buy a top class RB and CB, and get a outstanding CM to replace Carrick long term, and look for another CM that could raise the bar for this team again. Do that to add to our cards of Carrick Herrera Mata fellaini di Maria young janazaj with 2 more CM players, We wil have the balance and depth to really mount a challenge next season

And then the following summer start to add to the attack, like a winger and a striker, but strengthen our spine this summer to give us more depth, is vital to see is challenging for the title, not add to area's that are not really needed
 
RB: Serge Aurier

Probably the only right-back I'd hope we sign, although the chances are next to nothing, still he has not been used as much by PSG as I would have thought.

CB: Laporte

IMO we don't need the experienced centre-back and I don't see the stand out candidate to pay a lot of money for available, who would actually improve us as much as we would hope for that sort of fee. Van Gaal knows how to work with young players and in my eyes Jones, Smalling and Rojo have been better than they get credit for in the second half of the season. The obvious issue is still injuries and whether they can stay fit. Laporte is one of the best talents at the position and considering Hummels season, I prefer him for us.

CM: Schneiderlin and Xhaka

I could name a lot of midfielders I want to see for United, but someone like Koke for example doesn't seem attainable. There are also quite a lot of talented midfielders, which we hopefully keep an eye on; Saul Niguez, Sanson, Tolisso, Geis and so on. Schneiderlin and Xhaka are my choices here, because both can play the holding midfield role and the box to box role. Both could turn out to be the successor of Carrick and as competitor with Blind for a place there. There are also the best passers of their respective clubs and would fit well into van Gaal's possession football. Xhaka is still quite young, but has been immense this sesaon. Gladbach are keen to hold on to him and if their asking price is too much, we'd do well with one of Geis or Saul Niguez.

Wingers: Depay

Hopefully this signing is as obvious as we all think it is. I think he's very talented, has the right mindset and has worked with van Gaal. All aspects which make him perfect for us.

Depending whether we sell Hernandez and van Persie, let Falcao go, we should look how we strengthen further. We could use Rooney as the lone striker, with Fellaini, Wilson and Depay as back up and sign another winger like Felipe Anderson. Or we sign someone who's comfortable in various positions up front like Firmino or Fekir.

Or we could sign a new striker like: Lacazette and Dybala.

I'd probably let van Persie, Falcao and Hernandez all go and sign Firmino or Fekir.

If I had to choose just 4 players, it would be Laporte, Schneiderlin, Xhaka and Depay.
 
RB: RAFAEL IS LIKE A NEW SIGNING. Otherwise, I don't think LVG's 4-3-3 requires a particularly unique RB. Just a talented one who can combine with Mata and Herrera and defend a high line. Danilo has looked very good, but he's sadly off to Real and I doubt they'll let Carvajal go this summer. Maybe Carvajal will lose the battle and force his way out and PSG or someone else will pay 30 million for him next summer or in 2017, but I don't think he's going anywhere yet.

CB: Passing and ability to step up for LVG. For United's squad, we need an organizer and probably someone to play LCB since Smalling, so Hummels makes a lot of sense, but so would Godin, Thiago Silva (maybe in a Di Maria swap?) or if we're shopping a bit cheaper, Alderweild makes some sense, as would Abdennour in that he's been a rock for Monaco in the CL, is left-footed and his backline has looked organized no matter who the RCB is. Gimenez surely isn't available and is too inexperienced, but he's so solid whenever he plays that I'd be happy with him instead.

CM: Anyone who can link play as a CM, press and has the quickness or power to get wide when we fan out after we win the ball. Gundogan could do it but Koke would be a perfect fit. Matuidi would be brilliant as the LCM, too. Vidal a great fit on either side. Pogba has all the skills, though I think he might need some time to get on LVG's page.

As for replacing Carrick, I'd wait until the summer of 2016, at which point Carrick will either be leaving to go to QPR or whatever, or more of a depth player anyways, coming in for 20-30 minutes and getting the occasional start, filling in for injuries and providing experience and stability around younger players in Cup games.

Winger: A goalscoring winger makes sense and may well arrive in Depay when you consider that Rooney is our only major goal threat and Mata would be the 3rd or 4th highest scoring type on a team like Madrid, Bayern or Barca (assuming he started) rather than our clear number 2. Bale would be ideal, even if he had to play on the left and cross a bit more, hopefully having something like a 20 goal, 15 assists (in all Comps) season rather than the 30G + 10A sort of season you might get expect from him on the right.

Brahimi's not a great goalscorer but he's good at everything, doesn't lose the ball and works hard. I think he'd please LVG.

I'm not sure we absolutely need a winger if LVG really rates Young, as he and Di Maria can fight out left and Mata can be the RW, backed up by Januzaj. If we do sign one and Di Maria stays and LVG thinks this Young thing will continue for another year, I'd loan Januzaj somewhere for a year.


TOP CHOICES:
CB: Hummels/Godin/Silva
RB: Whoever we think is the best RB out there (no major style issues)
CM: Koke/Vidal/Matuidi/Pogba/Gundogan
W: Bale/Depay/Any Winger who can score goals from the left-wing, combine with teammates and work hard.

IF WE HAVE LESS MONEY/STRIKE OUT EVERYWHERE/INTERESTING TO THINK ABOUT

CB: Abdennour/Alderweild
RB: Trippier has impressed me a lot. I sort of hope we sign someone young and promising and cheap-ish like him and give Rafael first shot.
CM: Hard to think of a physical CM with the technical quality needed who wouldn't cost a ton.
W: Hermann doesn't give the ball away easily and has added some goals this year.
 
RB . Matteo Darmian
CB . Matts hummells
Cm . Paul pogba
Wing . Gareth bale

Please woody
 
It's all about the system and discipline. Young players educated in the philosophy will actually be more beneficial than big makes that have to learn how to comply. This is evident throughout LVG's career
 
RB: Clyne or Coleman (preferably Coleman) both would be good for us. If Carvajal is available then him.
CM: I'd like to see two midfielders come in for next season Schneiderlin and Gundogan would be my choices. Bender from Leverkusen is a decent choice too.
Winger: Depay
CB: Hummels
 
Skills said:
RB: Carvajal - stick in a record bid and I think we can get them to twitch. We paid 30m GBP for Shaw so 40 for someone who is probably the best RB in the world at only 23 years old should be well worth it.

CB: Hummels Perfect for a partnership with Smalling and actually adds size to the backline which we lack without Smalling.

CM: Schneiderlin. All round CM for the 8 or 6 spot. Stop Arsenal/Liverpool getting anywhere near him as well.

Winger: Depay.
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:lol: Are you crazy? £40million for Carvajal?
 
RB: I don't think it matters a huge amount, there are some good rbs being mentioned like clyne and coleman and dani alves. All talented so I think it would be better not to get married to one and get one thats not going to break the budget. 30m for Coleman would be extortion of the highest order.
CB: Hummels is a no brainer here b/c we might get a discount price now and he could be a leader, can play both sides of the centre back pairing. Hopefully he can get a really strong partnership with one of our other talented midfielders.
CM: I think this season would be a good time to add two CMs, one deeper player to settle into carricks role and one to give a bit of competition to the advanced CMs. From my understanding Gundogan could provide cover in both the deeper position and a more advanced position so for 15m seems like a gimme. I'm not sure that we'll be landing any huge name CMs this summer like pogba or koke but we should be opportunistic about that if possible. Another possible purchase would be someone like granit xhaka who could spend the 2 years with LVG and really try to be our deep lying cm moving forward, would be a good career move for him with Carrick at the age that he is.
LW: I'm less convinced that we need a winger but Depay seems like a no brainer with the fees being talked about. Seems with LVG we could get him for less than 20m. If we got a RB, CM and LW for less than 20m each that would leave plenty in the kitty to be opportunistic about - every summer there is a big move or two, and being able to compete for whoever that is would be nice
 
Trizy said:
It's no secret we'd all love to sign who ever we think is a quality player but who is best suited to our high pressing and passion based system? Because surely that's exactly what is on LVG's criteria.

We'll take an example of signing 4 players, who do you think would be best suited?

RB:
CB:
CM:
Winger:
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And there I was thinking the latest injury crisis had made it clear where we can get in trouble...

NEED
Carrick backup (Blind is the LB for me, not Shaw, considering him the immedaite backup is like cutting the nose to spite the face and if both injured the entire tactical setup breaks down): No idea, Verratti comes to mind but doubt he is available. Busquets would work much better for us than for Enrique's Barca, but with their embargo they are unlikely to sell anyone. He really would be the perfect fit for LvGs tactics. This is the key role that we have to be actively in the market for: it's as important as Guardiola or Busquets were for Barca.

Box-to-box CM (to replace Fellaini or partner when Herrera out - but if he is to replace Fellaini then the whole lanky poodle knockdown is off the table): Strootman was nailed on here, but hasn't played at all, Gundogan is another stab at recently injured players. No idea why people keep mentioning Pogba, he is a misfit and would be on bad terms with LvG by October.

COULD USE IF THE RIGHT PLAYER IS AVAILABLE
CB: Hummels, clearly. Don't see us having to sign someone (except if you would rather never ever play McNair/Blackett).
RB: Valencia is doing fine and Rafael is a good backup if not injured, we've got a couple in the youth ranks. I still haven't heard who is available out there that wouldn't cost an arm and a leg and would be a good fit. Alves on a free could be a good option for a couple of seasons and would "get it" from the off.
Winger: do we need one? We already have Di María and Januzaj warming the bench. Certainly won't break the bank for Bale, maybe just pick up Depay as a squad player in tune with LvG.
 
Danillaco said:
What do you guys see in Carvajal?

I fail to see him as a good player. He's average, and fecks up a lot. Danilo is going to walk in the team.

I don't have any bias towards him, just never rated him, really.
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totally agree with this....always looks average
 
NoPace said:
Thiago Silva (maybe in a Di Maria swap?)
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There's a thought... he can also do the DM role.

But I do think Di María could work really well for us. He already managed a transition with Real, so I can't see why he wouldn't adapt to LvGs tactics (except that Real was a counter-attacking side so it's a different kind of discipline required).

If he is to leave though, this would be the best way to go about it IMO.
 
Danillaco said:
What do you guys see in Carvajal?

I fail to see him as a good player. He's average, and fecks up a lot. Danilo is going to walk in the team.

I don't have any bias towards him, just never rated him, really.
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Well looking average or just solid in this real Madrid team isn't necessarily a bad thing. The amount of attacking players they have, they are always caught out defensively and outnumbered at fullback. Anyways, the main reason though is that he is better then valencia/clyne/Coleman or whoever we are linked with, so he would be the best option for us since he might be gettable.
 
For all the talk of CB's, RB's and CM's I think many are overlooking that in this system the front 3 are all supposed to score goals, LvG even refers to them as his 3 strikers. Out of our wide options Mata is the only one with any sort of consistency regarding goal scoring, so we need one player this summer to add to the front 3 who actually offers a goal threat from wide if we are buying players to get the most from the system.
 
There are already some rumours for Darmian, looks capable.

As a CB I'd like Marquinhos if not - Laporte.

CM - Veratti and Torres.

Wingers - Reus/Depay

5 signings will be ok. We'll probably move Falcao, Hernandez, Nani, Evans, Carrick will probably stay for another season, hence we'd need someone to fill in, from what I see Torres can be a nice replacement.
 
Trizy said:
It's no secret we'd all love to sign who ever we think is a quality player but who is best suited to our high pressing and passion based system? Because surely that's exactly what is on LVG's criteria.

We'll take an example of signing 4 players, who do you think would be best suited?

RB:
CB:
CM:
Winger:

For me,

RB: Coleman, strong in defense and get at getting forward. Maybe a cheeky bid for Carvajal? There isn't many brilliant RB available and with Madrid just signing Danilo, why not? Worst thing that happens is we get rejected.
CB: Hummels, he's that ball playing CB we need to perfect the passion based game around the back.
CM: Gundogan, only signing 1 CM that had a massive injury problem is a gamble but at £15m if he got back to his top form we'd have the best midfield 3 in the league of Herrera, Carrick and Gundogan. Offering goals, creativity and defending. Not to mention he's shown he's ideal for a pressing game.
Winger: Depay, puts in a shift all over the pitch, scores goals, rapid pace and potentially a brilliant player.
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RB: Clyne, Coleman
CB: Hummels, Stones
CM: Isco, Gundogan
Winger: Brahimi,
 
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RB: Clyne, Coleman
CB: Hummels, Stones
CM: Isco, Gundogan
Winger: Brahimi,
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I might be the only one to think that but we should never sign a player who can be absent two months in the middle of the season because of the AFCON, unless he is a genuine world class player.
 
I would like us to sign players for the 'system' in most areas - but I'd prefer to see a genuine maverick with x-factor added to our attack. None of this constantly trying to out-tactic opponents with wingers like Young. I think a lot depends on how Di Maria does, but we need a forward player to turn and win us games. Right now, Rooney is the closest we have, and I honestly think his ability is more suited to being one of our better 'system' players than our 'agent X', so to speak.

We need a player who can go past players at speed and deliver a consistent end product by way of goals and assists. As I said, the problem is, we are likely to go for a system attacker as Di Maria, at £60m, realistically has to be our maverick or leave. If he is here, that job is his. I don't think he is disciplined enough to take the job of the other winger, i.e the system attacker - like Young does, or Park Ji Sung did. Nor am I sure that Memphis Depay has enough to be the one who provides the individual match-winning brilliance consistently.

If not for our terrible season last year, we probably would have had a decent chance at landing Sanchez, who in hindsight is the player we needed to get last summer I think. Just over half of Di Maria's fee too.
 
Thinking about it lately I see Pogba being the ideal midfield signing and then perhaps wait to see how Javi Martinez returns from injury and whether he can be pried from Bayern next year as a Carrick replacement.

Pogba for me would offer a similar imposing physicality that Fellaini does but he will offer the extra dimension of being superior on the ball while also being a threat from distance. I'd like to see us maintain our threat of the long ball up to beat high pressing but also improve our possession game too and Pogba seems like the perfect player for this role. I'd keep Fellaini and go into next season having Carrick, Herrera, Blind, Pogba and Pereira as our options for the centre.

I'd be happy with keeping Rafael as our RB because I don't see any obvious replacement who would really improve us.

Hummels is a no brainer if we are looking for experience and someone good on the ball. His form is a worry but Pique has proven this year that class can always shine through in the end.

Depay seems to be happening and I'd also look to keep RVP and hope that Wilson can get over his injuries to provide that pacy back up striker berth that most here seem to agree we need.

Assuming we could shift our other deadweight, make these signings and Di Maria can find form again we would have a seriously good squad. Another bonus would be Janujaz regaining his form and starting to make more steps forward as a player. Shaw not being injured as much would be huge too.
 
——---————De Gea———---————
Clyne——Smalling—-Hummels—-Shaw
————-——--Carrick——------————
Depay—-Herrera--—Schneiderlen--Bale
———----—-—-Rooney--------------------


Omg that looks beautiful, also with a bench of Valdes,Jones,Valencia,Blind,Fellaini,Mata,Rvp and not sure if a good offer comes in from PSG for Di Maria we will turn it down, I have no doubt he is world class but I am never at ease watch him play because he's got a world class assist in him yes but gives the ball away so easily and more of the latter.

Also 1 player I am really excited about is James Wilson but feel a season long loan at somewhere like Soton would be brilliant for his development.
 
Jando said:
——---————De Gea———---————
Clyne——Smalling—-Hummels—-Shaw
————-——--Carrick——------————
Depay—-Herrera--—Schneiderlen--Bale
———----—-—-Rooney--------------------


Omg that looks beautiful, also with a bench of Valdes,Jones,Valencia,Blind,Fellaini,Mata,Rvp and not sure if a good offer comes in from PSG for Di Maria we will turn it down, I have no doubt he is world class but I am never at ease watch him play because he's got a world class assist in him yes but gives the ball away so easily and more of the latter.

Also 1 player I am really excited about is James Wilson but feel a season long loan at somewhere like Soton would be brilliant for his development.
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Nice line up. I agree if psg want Di Maria that bad, let's use that to get someone like Lucas, Veratti or silva.
 
RB - clyne, young,english with a couple of PL seasons under his belt. can play at LB too.

CB - hummels. van gaal wants a ball playing CB, he is the man. at 26 the right time for him to move away from bundesliga.

CM- quite like the idea of Schneiderlin, can play alongside carrick, and also infront of the back 4 when carrick is not available. roma's radja nainggolan is another player i like. a tough player who can actually play. gundogan could be worth a try too, if the reported price of 10-15 million is true. if he can just be a bit lucky with injuries he would be one of the the best already.him of 2013 was super class. Pogba would be the ultimate dream though.

WF- depay.

dimaria type signing- gareth bale. if real want to sell, we should go for him. too good to turn down, and he will win us the league.
 
Jando said:
——---————De Gea———---————
Clyne——Smalling—-Hummels—-Shaw
————-——--Carrick——------————
Depay—-Herrera--—Schneiderlen--Bale
———----—-—-Rooney--------------------


Omg that looks beautiful, also with a bench of Valdes,Jones,Valencia,Blind,Fellaini,Mata,Rvp and not sure if a good offer comes in from PSG for Di Maria we will turn it down, I have no doubt he is world class but I am never at ease watch him play because he's got a world class assist in him yes but gives the ball away so easily and more of the latter.

Also 1 player I am really excited about is James Wilson but feel a season long loan at somewhere like Soton would be brilliant for his development.
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Swap Depay and Bale, I have never seen Depay play on the right before
 
Jando said:
He's a right footed left winger i think but can Bale play on the right ? I feel Memphis has played on the right before hence why I put him there.
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I only Bales best season came when he played on the right for Spurs, I find wide men that score more goals then get assists are better on the other side like ronaldo, Depay, Hazard, Neymar are better on the left then on the right and Bale, Messi, Robben are better on the right then the left
 
Danillaco said:
What do you guys see in Carvajal?

I fail to see him as a good player. He's average, and fecks up a lot. Danilo is going to walk in the team.

I don't have any bias towards him, just never rated him, really.
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I think he's really improved over his time at Madrid. He's basically an 8/10 in every facet of the game except maybe aerially.

Technically he's really strong for a fullback and he'd presumably link well with Mata and Herrera. Just turned 23, so he's young enough to keep improving but has lots of experience.

If it's Clyne for 15 or Carvajal for 25 I would be surprised if we went with Clyne, who is older, has never played in the CL and hasn't really shown the offensive game Carvajal did for Leverkusen, especially.
 
Jando said:
He's a right footed left winger i think but can Bale play on the right ? I feel Memphis has played on the right before hence why I put him there.
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Bale probably hasn't played on the left as his main positions since early spurs days... He's been a right winger for a while, and at spurs at the end he played in the hole quite a bit too.
 
bosnian_red said:
Bale probably hasn't played on the left as his main positions since early spurs days... He's been a right winger for a while, and at spurs at the end he played in the hole quite a bit too.
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Ahh ok so they could both play in preferred positions. not that i feel Bale is even that possible but I do feel Woody would love to get him here and i would of never thought we would of signed Di Maria last season.
 
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