Sign two Premier League players

Gooney said:
Bale yes, but I can't really see Fabregas going to Utd despite what the fee would be.
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Obviously it's irrelevant now, and hindsight is a wonderful thing, but IF that money had been immediately spent on Fabregas and Bale, Bale would've cost no more than 15m at the time, and I really can't imagine Arsenal turning down a serious bid of 65m for Fabregas.

But as I said, it's irrelevant now.
 
redwhiteblack said:
Obviously it's irrelevant now, and hindsight is a wonderful thing, but IF that money had been immediately spent on Fabregas and Bale, Bale would've cost no more than 15m at the time, and I really can't imagine Arsenal turning down a serious bid of 65m for Fabregas.

But as I said, it's irrelevant now.
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True, Bale would have been cheaper then his current price. But I don't think Fabregas himself would want to make that switch, hence Wenger/Arsenal selling to close rival dispite the fee.
 
................VDS..................

Rafa.......Rio..........Vidic......Evra

Valencia..Essien....Fabregas.....Nani

...........Berba.......Rooney........

or

................VDS..................

Rafa.......Rio..........Vidic......Evra

....Essien....Fabregas.....Fletch

...Nani........Berba.......Rooney........

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Easily Fabregas and Essien.
 
redwhiteblack said:
A thread for fellow muppets and dreamers. Sign two PL players and show how you'd fit them into our team (or whatever team you support if it's not Man Utd). I'm interested to see how different people think about what we need, and also interested to see which names get mentioned most often.

Ok, for me it's Bale and Fabregas to be lined up thusly -

-----------------------VDS----------------------
Rafael---------Rio------------Vidic---------Evra
-------Fletcher--------------------Carrick--------
Nani----------------Fabregas----------------Bale
----------------------Rooney---------------------

:drool:

It's painful to think that those two players could've been bought easily with the Ronaldo money :(
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I'd choose the same two, but there would be no room for Carrick, I'd prefer running like that;

van der Sar
Rafael - Ferdinand - Vidic - Evra
Nani - Fletcher - Fabregas - Bale
Rooney - Chicharlito​


This team is not impossible next season neither... Fabregas probably is not the one as he sooner or later is off to Barcelona, but there are options with the potential of doing a similar impact, for example if Schweinstenger would work out or Pastore could also become a brilliant addition to the central midfield. I doubt Bale will happen but we could get him if we threw a lot of money at Tottenham, especially if they fail to get a top 4 position this season.
 
essien and fabregas without a doubt

essien would walk into any midfield in the world....

fabregas will do the same when xavi starts to show his age
 
evra said:
...................Reina..................

Rafa.......Rio..........Vidic......Evra

Valencia..Essien....Fletch.....Nani

...........Berba.......Rooney........

That side could win the treble.
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I am actually surprised by your thinking. Our defense is already great. Essien is a great box to box midfielder, but a bit more contributing to the defensive game than the offensive? I would prefer someone more attacking at the midfield because that is where we are failing.

We should never do business with Liverpool. Neither sell to or buy from. If he was at another club Reina would a brilliant replacement for van der Sar, but there are areas at the current team that need far more work than the goalkeeper spot. Van der Sar has hinted this is not his last season.
 
Georgie Best said:
I'd choose the same two, but there would be no room for Carrick, I'd prefer running like that;

van der Sar
Rafael - Ferdinand - Vidic - Evra
Nani - Fletcher - Fabregas - Bale
Rooney - Chicharlito​


This team is not impossible next season neither... Fabregas probably is not the one as he sooner or later is off to Barcelona, but there are options with the potential of doing a similar impact, for example if Schweinstenger would work out or Pastore could also become a brilliant addition to the central midfield. I doubt Bale will happen but we could get him if we threw a lot of money at Tottenham, especially if they fail to get a top 4 position this season.
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Which they will, sadly. City'll nab 4th this season and as soon as they do, that'll be the new 'top 4' - Chelsea, Utd, Arsenal, City.
 
redwhiteblack said:
Which they will, sadly. City'll nab 4th this season and as soon as they do, that'll be the new 'top 4' - Chelsea, Utd, Arsenal, City.
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I don't know... Tottenham has something going. They have a strong squad, they have backup players everywhere. They could really need a world class forward and perhaps do something about there defense, but they have really managed to get a brilliant midfield. No team in the Premier League has struggled as much with injuries as Tottenham, if you look away from King and Woodgate whom both need to consider retirement, they have been without Corluka, Dawson, Bassong as well as their best forward J. Defoe. I would not write of their chances for a top 4 position. That was the case last season too by the way, among others, two of their most key players such as Modric and Lennon both were out with long term injuries and they still managed to get fourth.

I feel Mancini has a strange tactic... 4-3-3. where the trio in midfield are usually defensive midfielders. If they get injuries on their best attacking players, they really struggle as their tactic is useless... Personally I think that Mancini is a weird manager there, they are dependent on Tevez, if he gets injured Balotelli or Adebayor really cannot replace that job. Injuries to key players will hurt them, they might also get some trouble when they have to start rotating against the end of season, they did last season when Tottenham thrumped them.

Arsenal has the same problem, they have a thin squad, and if they get 2-3 or more key players injured, they could struggle to deal with that. I know they will not hold all the way with their squad, I knew last season too - I was never worried that Arsenal would be a threat for the title, sooner or later they will collapse (unless they get someone in January). There is no way that Chelsea are falling out of the top four, probably not the top 2 neither. But they sold five players and got only 2 new this summer, so far Ramires looks like a flop - and every number 7 at that club seem to feck up, the Bogarde curse? :p
 
Georgie Best said:
I don't know... Tottenham has something going. They have a strong squad, they have backup players everywhere. They could really need a world class forward and perhaps do something about there defense, but they have really managed to get a brilliant midfield. No team in the Premier League has struggled as much with injuries as Tottenham, if you look away from King and Woodgate whom both need to consider retirement, they have been without Corluka, Dawson, Bassong as well as their best forward J. Defoe. I would not write of their chances for a top 4 position. That was the case last season too by the way, among others, two of their most key players such as Modric and Lennon both were out with long term injuries and they still managed to get fourth.

I feel Mancini has a strange tactic... 4-3-3. where the trio in midfield are usually defensive midfielders. If they get injuries on their best attacking players, they really struggle as their tactic is useless... Personally I think that Mancini is a weird manager there, they are dependent on Tevez, if he gets injured Balotelli or Adebayor really cannot replace that job. Injuries to key players will hurt them, they might also get some trouble when they have to start rotating against the end of season, they did last season when Tottenham thrumped them.

Arsenal has the same problem, they have a thin squad, and if they get 2-3 or more key players injured, they could struggle to deal with that. I know they will not hold all the way with their squad, I knew last season too - I was never worried that Arsenal would be a threat for the title, sooner or later they will collapse (unless they get someone in January). There is no way that Chelsea are falling out of the top four, probably not the top 2 neither. But they sold five players and got only 2 new this summer, so far Ramires looks like a flop - and every number 7 at that club seem to feck up, the Bogarde curse? :p
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Good post.

Tottenham are most definitely thin at the back, they leak goals, which City don't. And as you stated, they are short of (fit) quality strikers. I mean, If Bale was at United or Chelsea with the likes of Rooney, Nani, Hernandez, Drogba, Anelka to get on the end of his crosses, his assists would be through the roof.

I just don't think City are gonna make the same mistakes they made last year in the tail end of the season. I hope I'm wrong.
 
Georgie Best said:
I am actually surprised by your thinking. Our defense is already great. Essien is a great box to box midfielder, but a bit more contributing to the defensive game than the offensive? I would prefer someone more attacking at the midfield because that is where we are failing.

We should never do business with Liverpool. Neither sell to or buy from. If he was at another club Reina would a brilliant replacement for van der Sar, but there are areas at the current team that need far more work than the goalkeeper spot. Van der Sar has hinted this is not his last season.
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Essien is incredibly versatile, a midfield two of Fletcher and Essien would get box to box for ninety minutes and allow us to play 442 effectively against quality opposition (something which we have largely been incapable of doing for at least two years now). Reina is a pragmatic one; VDS is the wrong side of 40 now and will need to be replaced in the very near future, I consider Reina to be the next best goalkeeper in the league.
 
Fabregas has to be one of them, I am having a hard time with the other as I weigh varies differences in the player such as age
 
Georgie Best said:
Arsenal has the same problem, they have a thin squad, and if they get 2-3 or more key players injured, they could struggle to deal with that.
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We've had 3 key players out for most of the season. If you're saying we'd struggle with 6 out then who wouldn't? Chelsea would die.
 
Van Persie doesnt count as this point, you should expect him to be out and be pleasantly surprised when he plays.
 
Title of thread should be sign 2 players that we would at least have a tiny chance of getting. That rules out Drogba and Fabregas.
-----------------------VDS----------------------
Rafael---------Rio------------Vidic---------Evra
-------Fletcher--------------------Rodwell--------
Nani----------------Rooney----------------Bale
--------------------Little Pea---------------------
 
peterstorey said:
We've had 3 key players out for most of the season. If you're saying we'd struggle with 6 out then who wouldn't? Chelsea would die.
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Chelsea had a great squad last season, if they had Carvalho this season, or at least replaced him with someone – the embarrassing defeat against Sunderland would probably not happen. Sending Mancienne back on loan to Wolves was probably a mistake. Ballack was great last season; Ramires has not been great so far… There is little doubt that Chelsea is a weaker squad this season than they had last season IMO. .. They sold five players whom together participated in over a hundred matches last season, with only replacing two of them. Our XI has issues at the moment, but I feel we have great chances of winning the league, because we have a broader squad than Chelsea. Something that has small benefits the first half of season, but huge benefits the second half of season when teams start to get tired… This flaw might be a good move for Chelsea long term though, if they get their academy working, there are some interesting prospects that are 17-18 there right now. And as you say injures hurt them... This can be fixed in January though... If they see it as I do.

Do you really feel, like Arsenal has as strong a squad as we and Chelsea does? Most Arsenal supporters I know, acknowledges that they do not have depth in the squad of Chelsea and Manchester United. Right now I think Arsenal is getting a bit weak, because they really don’t have amazing forwards. Chamakh is ok, van Persie is great when in top form, but he is also very injury prone, so that is almost never. Walcott is exiting and fast but also injury proned and has not showed consistency over a period of time yet. Bendtner seems unsettled at the moment... Like Tottenham they have no world class forward? They certainly don’t have a Anelka or Henry, even a Adebayor? He was very good back in 07/08. But, they have a attacking midfield that is very strong, Fabregas, Arshavin, Nasri, but Tottenham is not far behind there, Bale, Lennon, Modric, van der Vaart, as well as potentially great reserves for those in Krancjar and Bentley . You might complain about your injury problems at Arsenal, but claiming that your problems this season are worse than Tottenham’s are false IMO. Tottenham had a worse fixture list so far too; they have met both us, Manchester City and Chelsea. And they are leaking, but they have had a nightmare of injuries in the defence, on top of King and Woodgate; Dawson, Bassong and Corluka has also been injured for a long time, as well as many minor injuries whom has made them change their defence all the time and had very little consistency there. It seems that their squad struggle with the new experience of being in the Champions League though. That is a advantage Manchester City have on both Arsenal and Tottenham, they are likely not to be in Europe at all next half of the season. The fixture list is never equal, but it is not even close until all 38 matches are played. I know that Arsenal will face problems at the end of season. I never considered Arsenal a threat last season, I knew the collapse would come, and I am pretty sure it will this season too. 3rd to 5th might be a very close race, and if one of the teams gets bad luck with injuries – that team is the one likely to miss out – one and two will probably be United and Chelsea… The scenario that the four representatives from England will be Chelsea, Tottenham, Manchester City and Manchester United are far from impossible.

Manchester United has worse injury problems than Arsenal too? Wayne Rooney our best player has been out... actually all season, either with mental breakdowns or ankle problems, his head was not where it was supposed to be in start of this season. Antonio Valencia was probably the worst long term injury we could get, we have better coverage in central than we do at the wings. Giggs has been out a bit too, that is not good because right now he is our best playmaker… Of the top teams, Arsenal very well might have had the best injury situation so far this season… Everyone has actually been rather unlucky. It’s either them or City, but as I said – Injuries is not hardest now, the problem is towards the end of season, both injuries and the fact that the players get tired. Having big squads then is a huge advantage against the smaller teams, as the biggest squad will be able to rest their players more. Tottenham might score points on Arsenal towards the end of the season there.
 
Ringo 07 said:
Title of thread should be sign 2 players that we would at least have a tiny chance of getting. That rules out Drogba and Fabregas.
-----------------------VDS----------------------
Rafael---------Rio------------Vidic---------Evra
-------Fletcher--------------------Rodwell--------
Nani----------------Rooney----------------Bale
--------------------Little Pea---------------------
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There is very little creativity on that midfield. I think that team would struggle, and I'd rather use both Giggs and Scholes, than Rodwell.
 
i can only think of Wilshere (and maybe Fabregas, one of the two).
i guess am too biased to prefer some other player from the other teams

(i used to think rodwell, but am not too sure)
 
Fabregas and Drogba.

We'll instantly have the top 2 strikers (when on form) in the league in Wayne and Drogba, and Cesc is the best midfielder in the league and is one of the few players capable of replacing Scholes. The two of them would also improve our set-pieces, we're one of the most wasteful teams in the league when it comes to set-pieces and the two of them would improve on that aspect too.
 
Fabregas and Malouda.

..................VDS

Rafa.......Rio..........Vidic......Evra

.......Fletcher.........Carrick

...............Fabregas

...Nani........Rooney.......Malouda
 
Torres and Fabregas

------------------VDS
---Rafael-----Ferdinand----Vidic-----Evra-----
--Valencia----Fabregas---Carrick-----Nani-----
-----------Torres----Rooney---------------

Or we could play a three man midfield with Scholes, Fabregas and Carrick which would be so extremely sexy that I would do naughty things when watching United.
 
Fabregas and Essien would be the likely picks.

Torres a close third (Ahead of Drogba considering their ages).

I'm suprised how many people have picked Bale considering that he's only had a quarter season of good form and hasn't really proved himself with any consistency. Also, it'll be interesting to see how he adapts his game as defenses start to pay more attention to him. Right now he's all pace, no guile to his game.
 
Essien and Fabregas has to be the two. We would dominate every midfield battle we play imo in the Premiership or Europe.
 
The_Red_Hope said:
Fabregas and Essien would be the likely picks.

Torres a close third (Ahead of Drogba considering their ages).

I'm suprised how many people have picked Bale considering that he's only had a quarter season of good form and hasn't really proved himself with any consistency. Also, it'll be interesting to see how he adapts his game as defenses start to pay more attention to him. Right now he's all pace, no guile to his game.
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Bale also had great form towards the end of last season including key games against Arsenal and Chelsea. I think hes more deadly now and would actually be a good fit for somebody like Hernandez with his movement. Bale would be third choice of course.
 
Unrealistically, Fabregas and Torres.

Realistically (well, more so): Modric (I'd have him over Bale any day of the week) and Rodwell.
 
I love how RK has put Maicon into central midfield and now bailed whilst we all look at his post in bewilderment.
 
Essien and Fabregas.

more realistically, as chelsea nor arsenal would ever sell to us, next option would be Bale and errrm, dunno really. nobody stands out, henderson maybe off Sunderland, but still too early on him.
 
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