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So you think in the last year he's proven himself to the world?
Should we consider selling Pogba?
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I think somebody should tell Chelsea, nah let 'em find out the hard way.
There will always be outliers. But there won’t be much movement in terms of the big players this summer.
So we agree, the clubs wants to keep him (he also wants to stay), therefore no one is currently interested.
That's not even remotely close to what I said
The issue is going to come to a head because his contract runs out in 22 months.
The question is going to be whether the opportunity cost of keeping Pogba over the next 6 years is worth the c.£180m cost.
In my view paying him £350k a week for the next 6 years and him being somewhat valueless at the end in terms of a transfer fee; as well as forgoing the £75m fee we'd likely receive isn't worth his contribution.
Irrespective of the player where they have 24-30 months left on their contract and are a valuable asset a decision has to be made by the club - renew or sell. Starting the year (let alone this season) having not made this decision is an awful bit of management.
Almost whatever the result it's going to be a poor one for the club now as Pogba is in a very strong negotiating position. We pay him a huge salary that his contribution doesn't warrant, we sell him for a reduced fee as he'll only have a year left (plus Covid impact) or can talk to clubs in 16 months and leave on a free.
Last year we should have offered him a 2 year extension on the same salary and if he refused we should have sold him.
The question is going to be whether the opportunity cost of keeping Pogba over the next 6 years is worth the c.£180m cost.
In my view paying him £350k a week for the next 6 years and him being somewhat valueless at the end in terms of a transfer fee; as well as forgoing the £75m fee we'd likely receive isn't worth his contribution.
Irrespective of the player where they have 24-30 months left on their contract and are a valuable asset a decision has to be made by the club - renew or sell. Starting the year (let alone this season) having not made this decision is an awful bit of management.
Almost whatever the result it's going to be a poor one for the club now as Pogba is in a very strong negotiating position. We pay him a huge salary that his contribution doesn't warrant, we sell him for a reduced fee as he'll only have a year left (plus Covid impact) or can talk to clubs in 16 months and leave on a free.
Last year we should have offered him a 2 year extension on the same salary and if he refused we should have sold him.
so basically no one wants him. Wonder why?
A real shame for us right now, as the opportunity cost is Kante AND Thiago.
0 offers. Talk is meaningless, he could just be stirring things.
You don't make offers like in FM, you first talk to the club and if they say feck of then that's that.
Lets wait to see what United put on the table, and whether he accepts it first.
You used to be funnierso basically no one wants him. Wonder why?
A real shame for us right now, as the opportunity cost is Kante AND Thiago.
I'll agree with this, things can change very quickly.
the club ought to hold the contract up as long as possible. Lets see how he does over the season. Hes an hot and cold player and I think Bruno has shown him up for what we need
Okay, you win. Pogba is not that great to be honest. Can we have some peace now?Sell pogba for £70m and we can have
6 Kante. 8 Thiago
Bruno
Sancho Martial Rashford
subs include vdb & Greenwood
Team might win the league!
problem is no buyers for pogba
I think it's more to do with balance than individual talent in truth.
Is Matic-Pogba-Fernandes better than Thiago-VDB-Fernandes?
I'd argue the latter is much stronger and far more balanced.
Chelsea have untouched funds and are shopping for affordable. Players.I think somebody should tell Chelsea, nah let 'em find out the hard way.
You still have a defensive gap.
I doubt. We have many problems but Pogba aint one of them
Unless we sort the midfield balance then he is. And a very expensive one too.
Of course but you could also play Matic-Thiago-Fernandes.
If Pogba and Fernandes are playing as part of a 3 man midfield you'll always be caught short defensively. Unless a 27 year old Roy Keane and Rio Ferdinand are available to replace Matic and Lindelof anyway.
The club never has but that won't stop his obsessed detractors from coming up with scenarios in their heads all day long to have him feck him off as we keep seeing here
They can sell him to their hearts content in FM/Fifa since that's the closest they'll get to seeing him sold in real life anytime soon.
No, he's definitely not performing on the pitch.
Pepe went to Arsenal for £72m and Sancho is younger and has done alot more than him.
Havertz ia 100m Euros to Chelsea, again Sancho has done more.
There seems to be a bit more common sense? Napoli bought Osimen for £60m.
Dortmund have always been fair ? What are you talking about?
Aubemayang - had to force himself out and was £60m
Pulisic done nothing and was £60m
Dembele £140m
£75/80 will probably be the initial payment, he is worth the money IMO.
Hey - that's the United Way! Don't knock it until you've tried it...oh, yeah, right.
The club never has but that won't stop his obsessed detractors from coming up with scenarios in their heads all day long to have him feck him off as we keep seeing here
They can sell him to their hearts content in FM/Fifa since that's the closest they'll get to seeing him sold in real life anytime soon.
I think that was Pogba, his brother and his agent, pal. Did this just go right over your head or are you so obsessed with a grossly expensive, mediocre performer that you can’t see it. Oh, forgot, he put in a decent 20 mins vs Seville.
Mediocre? There's valid criticism and there's just plain nonsense.
He's signing a new deal as stated by Mino Raiola. /thread
Pogba needs a big season for himself, and for United. Hopefully he signs a new contract and puts to bed all the speculation around him. He could have a really good career here in the next couple of seasons if the club support his ambition and he stops playing silly beggers.
Threads growing at less than a page a day so there also doesn't seem to be much appetite for this.
His agent was also talking back in February that he might leave, literally week's before lockdown
All this is down to money right now and who might pay the most, had there been no Covid, he would have left by now, imo, but in this situation, from a stability point of view, who is able to stump up the most money, it's more wise for him to sign a new contract at United, but I don't think for one minute his heart is truly in it and that his final big contract would've been intended to be at United
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Don't think he wants to go anymore, he seems happier than in a long long time. I've no doubts that he was looking towards going back to Juventus but it doesn't seem like he wants to leave.
Really don't understand where people are getting indications that he still wants to go.
I guess you are going to skip that whole bit about his agent talking up a move just before lockdown. In this climate, there's a difference between what you want to do and what you can do...
We also massively improved in that period from February to the end of the season and pulled off an unlikely finish in the top 4. Had we not I still think he'd have agitated for a move away.
But yes, of course Covid has a big impact and I think Juventus wanted him, but now that option is off the table and I believe he's happy to stay and sees the progress the team has made and where he fits in.
I would agree.
Every year since Pogba's arrival there is endless debate whether or not Pogba is a world class performer, worth what we spent on him and his wages and so on, but the fact that no other clubs have even tried to take him away from us really does say it all.
If he was as good as we were expecting him to be when we purchased him, Real, PSG or Barca would have at least tried to get him, especially with the Zidane/French connection to PSG/Madrid or Barca due to their need for good midfielders, but instead got De Jong.
Pogba's not a bad player by any means, but he is not the world beater we expected, or needed, when we bought him. His defensive and concentration lapses are way too common to play deep and he doesn't provide enough goals or assists to play behind the striker which has caused us issues very, very regularly. This was apparent when Bruno arrived and in just a few months provided more actual end product than Pogba has for 18-24 months now.
Unsure if it's all due to lack of motivation because of how poor we've been since his arrival, the Mourinho fights, or what - but he hasn't lived up to his price tag, and anyone who thinks he has is probably in denial.
If he has a good season and goes into next summer window with one year left on his contract, he's certain to force himself out I think. He was never loyal to Manchester United in the first place and won't have a reason to stay next year, unless we pay him silly, silly money.
Let's not forget who his agent is, either.
If he was as good as we were expecting him to be when we purchased him, Real, PSG or Barca would have at least tried to get him, especially with the Zidane/French connection to PSG/Madrid or Barca due to their need for good midfielders, but instead got De Jong.
Pogba's not a bad player by any means, but he is not the world beater we expected, or needed, when we bought him. His defensive and concentration lapses are way too common to play deep and he doesn't provide enough goals or assists to play behind the striker which has caused us issues very, very regularly. This was apparent when Bruno arrived and in just a few months provided more actual end product than Pogba has for 18-24 months now.
Unsure if it's all due to lack of motivation because of how poor we've been since his arrival, the Mourinho fights, or what - but he hasn't lived up to his price tag, and anyone who thinks he has is probably in denial.
If he has a good season and goes into next summer window with one year left on his contract, he's certain to force himself out I think. He was never loyal to Manchester United in the first place and won't have a reason to stay next year, unless we pay him silly, silly money.
Let's not forget who his agent is, either.
I'm not having a go at Pogba and I want him to stay.
However the problem we find ourselves in is what Guardiola dealt with when he had joint City.
He wanted to implement possession technical and/or high pressure tactical football and whilst Yaya toure was a great valuable footballer who most people valued back then - Guardiola knew he was going to struggle to play such a style of football.
Pogba to me is a much better version of Yaya toure - yet still a player who couldn't play possession or top quality tactical football under high pressure.
Do I want him gone. No - because as a club I dont think we are playing that football yet either; maybe at max only our front attacking line. When that day comes then his time might be as well.
However the problem we find ourselves in is what Guardiola dealt with when he had joint City.
He wanted to implement possession technical and/or high pressure tactical football and whilst Yaya toure was a great valuable footballer who most people valued back then - Guardiola knew he was going to struggle to play such a style of football.
Pogba to me is a much better version of Yaya toure - yet still a player who couldn't play possession or top quality tactical football under high pressure.
Do I want him gone. No - because as a club I dont think we are playing that football yet either; maybe at max only our front attacking line. When that day comes then his time might be as well.
I wonder why? There was no debate about Zlatan even when he was obviously flagging. Some people have a problem with someone being rich and talented looking like Paul or Sterling. No other player is debated in such grotesque manner like those two.
What a weird comment when they specifically tried to get him on at least two occasions with Madrid even making an enquiry. Perez even said they tried to get him to spanish media.
We did not need a world beater we needed an entire team when he arrived and there is no world beater you can name that would have made us win games on his own like you ask of Paul.
How on earth anyone with eyes who knows anything about football can conclude that Paul does not contribute enough when playing behind the striker when he only played six games in that position and to this day still has the most open play goals of any player who was deployed in that role, utter tripe. Once again though certain posters bring Fernandes's name to Paul's thread as a means to compare a lesser player to the Frenchman, it is laughable.
If I was him I would not be loyal either especially with such comments from 'fans' and you should brace yourself because if he does renew he will become our highest paid player once again.
Agenda Agenda Agenda.
First of all, Pogba played under Jose, who else didnt play well under Jose? Martial, Rashford, Shaw. Jose going to Anfield and dropping Pogba is a joke.
Ole came in and Pogba started firing.
Pogba got injured for the season, came back post lockdown and was fantastic.
So how is everyone praising Martial and co and still criticising Pogba is beyond me.
I get really frustrated when people expect Pogba to defend, keep possession, make things happen and transition.
I think half the fans who want Pogba gone for performance purposes are blind or have some type of agenda against the player. Paul is the sole reason Solskjaer was able to pick up immediate results during his initial tenure as a manager it was solely Pogbas form that got Ole the job. I'm not saying Pogba is always on the ball but when you consider the alternative in our team losing him would be a detrimental blow to the progression we are making forming a competitive team.
We missed him throughout last season with injury to the extent that before Bruno came our situation was looking grim. We now have potentially close to the best attacking midfield in the league. The post I'm seeing about possession is nonsense, who is more of a beneficiary to have dependence on keeping the play moving Pogba or Bruno ? Solskjaer is also not a coach for possession based football it's clearly evident in how we have played as a team quick transitions, inverted wide play is our strengths. We do not maintain possession well because of anything to do with Pogbas abilities it's how the instructions are implemented from the management as to why our shape / philosophy is not expansive.
We missed him throughout last season with injury to the extent that before Bruno came our situation was looking grim. We now have potentially close to the best attacking midfield in the league. The post I'm seeing about possession is nonsense, who is more of a beneficiary to have dependence on keeping the play moving Pogba or Bruno ? Solskjaer is also not a coach for possession based football it's clearly evident in how we have played as a team quick transitions, inverted wide play is our strengths. We do not maintain possession well because of anything to do with Pogbas abilities it's how the instructions are implemented from the management as to why our shape / philosophy is not expansive.
1) That is fake news. Ole got the job based on a string of good results capped off by the win at PSG. The most influential player in that run was Marcus Rashford.
2) It shows we missed a creative player not just Pogba because when Bruno came in the team looked better than when Pogba was in the team.
3) Last season, even with the lack of quality we had 54.6% possession (5th in the league)
Even the suggestion that he's better than yaya toure is a horrible joke. They are not similar in ability or style.
He's gonna stay this season at least so all the crazy scenarios made up can stop now
Are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure that if Madrid offered 120+m for him when Pogba stated he wanted a new challenge (again) then he'd now be dressed in white. What's the point of keeping a player who didn't want to be here?The club never has but that won't stop his obsessed detractors from coming up with scenarios in their heads all day long to have him feck him off as we keep seeing here
They can sell him to their hearts content in FM/Fifa since that's the closest they'll get to seeing him sold in real life anytime soon.