Should they stay or should they go?

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ITs obvious that Fergie will sell players. It seems like hs`s not comfortable with it, but the board has been to clear on this now - it`s probably not just tactics.

Who do you think will have to go?

SAF has said he wants one striker and maybe two defenders.

My guess is that the players listed here are amongst the ones that might be sold:

* Chadwick
* Barthez
* Veron, Butt or Scholes
* Ole
* Phil
* Silvestre
* Fortune
 
* Chadwick = Maybe.
* Barthez = Maybe.
* Veron, Butt or Scholes = No, no & no.
* Ole = Do me a favour.
* Phil = Fergie's already said no.
* Silvestre = Maybe.
* Fortune = Probably.
 
* Chadwick = yes
* Barthez = probably not
* Veron, Butt or Scholes = no, maybe, maybe
* Ole = not likely
* Phil = might, despite chat with SAF
* Silvestre = should go
* Fortune = absolutely
 
* Chadwick=may be
* Barthez=should go
* Veron, Butt or Scholes=no way man
* Ole=come on, he's the man
* Phil=just signed a new contract
* Silvestre=must go
* Fortune=must go
 
Originally posted by neo2002:
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* Chadwick unlikely
* Barthez no
* Veron, Butt or Scholes no, no, no
* Ole no
* Phil no
* Silvestre unlikely
* Fortune probable </strong><hr></blockquote>
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* Chadwick - yes for anything over 2.5 mil
* Barthez - yes if we could find a better replacement for the same money
* Veron, Butt or Scholes - (yes, no, no)
* Ole - feck no!
* Phil - generally he is despensible I feel but with the lack of funds it won't be a shrewd move
* Silvestre - should stay but a LB should be signed in order to give him competition
* Fortune - yes, give youth a chance at LW
 
If SAF has to sell then it can only be Veron as I cant see him selling Scholes/Butt. Selling Chadwick/Fortune/Silvestre is not gong to raise enough money and we wouldn't have a recognised left back. MS will probably stay but Tierney who is the LB in the reserves might get his chance as he's getting great reviews at the moment. It will dpend on who we buy as to how much money we need to raise and if its Veron that goes then we must be looking at signing Ronaldo/Ronaldinho or someone of that calibre (Veiri??) ;)
 
If Fergie MUST sell, first we must ask ourselves what's the reason. He didn't want to sell someone for the sake of sale. From what is quoted Fergie may need to sell in order to buy back a striker and may be a few defenders. That should rule out the chance of us selling striker and defenders such as Ole, Micky, etc. (and anyone who think Ole should be sold should go to see a doctor.)

In the midfield, if Chadwick and Fortune go, yes they can earn us a few millions, but then we will be short of cover in both wings. The worst case is that we may just need to use the money get from their sale to bring in another winger! The only obvious choice left is Veron. He is surplus to our midfield and the sale of him will get us a lot of money and have minimum impact to our current team. Though the major problem is that there seems not much club has the ability to pay 20m+ for him now. May be a player-swap deal is the way to do it.
 
Originally posted by thumper:
<strong> It will dpend on who we buy as to how much money we need to raise and if its Veron that goes then we must be looking at signing Ronaldo/Ronaldinho or someone of that calibre (Veiri??) ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

If Veron goes we can use the money to sign one striker plus may be one more defender. That's the "best move" for Fergie, if he can put down his pride and admit that he has been wrong in the purchase of Veron.
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I actually don`t think that SAF need to sell many class players to raise money. I think the board look at the squad and wants SOME money to justify the arrival of a expensive fourth striker. They are probably pushin SAF to get a deal with Lazio before they are completely bankrupt. (The Stam money).

My guess is that 2-3 players might leave. Chadwick, Silvestre (if we get a LB), Barthez, Fortune is all hot candidates.

Veron would probably never happen...

And with Ronaldo - sure he would cost us hell of a lot money, but the sales of merchandise/shirts etc would probably pay his wage alone...
 
I've already posted this in another thread, but if it needs its own thread then here goes.

If you had to make a list of players most at risk of being sold then I think these names would be on the list.
Barthez - sold, with Marcos coming in
Silvestre - sold, with one or two of Sorin and Escude coming in
Fortune - sold, with youth promoted, chadwick, djordic, pugh etc.
Veron - less likely now, but if sold, some or one of crespo, lopez and sorin coming the other way
Phil - has now been ruled out, but if we sign some left backs expect him to stick in a transfer request
Giggs - rumours of a big name exit, could be any one of veron, scholes or giggs, but unless its veron, we all hope this is just rumour
Scholes - as above

and maybe even in that order. It would be a simple case of one out one in, unless the player was a Veron, Giggs or Scholes in which the funds could stretch to two players.
 
The PLC bank account had a nice £23m (or thereabouts) check deposited in it on August 1st from Nike. So, even if £15m of it went to the sheep for Rio, it still leaves £8m. Now, how much was Luke Steele, £500,000, rising to £2.25m with appearences etc.? So that's £7.5m remaining, right.

I can't believe that United don't have a transfer budget above and beyond the Nike money so, imo, I don't think any big names will depart, if anything, the departures will be salary related rather than raising money before buying new. I know Chadwick signed a £15,000+ deal a while ago and I'm sure Maysie and QF are on at least that too.

Basically, I think the money is there to buy the players but they need to get rid of the weekly salaries of players that won't or haven't improved the squad.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
Giggs - rumours of a big name exit, could be any one of veron, scholes or giggs, but unless its veron, we all hope this is just rumour<hr></blockquote>NT, me owd, why do you assume that we all want Verón gone?
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Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
<strong>NT, me owd, why do you assume that we all want Verón gone?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I should clarify, almost no one wants to see Giggs or Scholes go, but quite a lot of people want to see Veron go, or at least wouldn't mind.
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BTW I don't expect Chadwick to leave, he's very highly regarded at OT, an England U21 but more importantly he's the direct back up to Beckham, and is versatile enough to play left wing if need be.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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I should clarify, almost no one wants to see Giggs or Scholes go, but quite a lot of people want to see Veron go, or at least wouldn't mind.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think that would depend on who is bought in as replacement.

If, for the price of Veron, we can get a quality defender and striker, then it would be accepted, albeit sadly.

Fact is, we are short in defence and attack, but abundant in midfield. So it's a midfielder who has to go.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Fact is, we are short in defence and attack, but abundant in midfield. So it's a midfielder who has to go.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yep, and its midfield that our youth system seems to excel at producing.
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It would be sad if Veron has to go... Have the feeling that he (and Forlan) will have huge success this season...
 
Originally posted by neo2002:
<strong>* Chadwick
* Barthez
* Veron, Butt or Scholes
* Ole
* Phil
* Silvestre
* Fortune</strong><hr></blockquote>

None of them. My guess is if we cash in on anyone, it will be the younger lads who just don't cut the bill
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* Chadwick - no
* Barthez - no
* Veron, Butt or Scholes - no
* Ole - no
* Phil - no
* Silvestre - maybe
* Fortune - maybe

Realistically, no-one. It's getting dangerously close to the new season for sales and if anyone was going it would have been by now. My only worry with Silvestre is these Escude rumours won't die away and his club are saying a lot of things about us having meetings with him. Fortune can only stay as back-up for so long, and this talk of Duff coming must unsettle him.
 
* Chadwick - who would buy him
* Barthez - :rolleyes:
* Veron, Butt or Scholes- <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
* Ole <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
* Phil - who would buy him
* Silvestre- <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
* Fortune - give him a chance, or swop for Diomede.

Does anyone understand that nobody is going to buy our or any other player unless incredibly cheap.

Kenyon has effectively said no more, as he knows that Fergie cant sell. Besides this is a red herring as we have got rid of five and bought two.

Kenyon has closed our purse, the bastard.
 
Originally posted by blythy:
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None of them. My guess is if we cash in on anyone, it will be the younger lads who just don't cut the bill</strong><hr></blockquote>

How much cash can you raise with the younger lads? plus the fact that their departures will hardly ease the wage bill.

It has to be one or more of the first team squad.
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Sure it would be nice to bring in a Crespo. But, if his fee is too high and United will baulk, then why are they not considering a player like Marc Wilmots. I'm sure he would be pretty cheap because of his age (33). But he is a quality player who can produce at the highest level at important times. Considering SAF wanted PDC, why won't he consider Wilmots?
 
I think Fortune is the most likely to go.
 
Like it or not but Barthez will be our keeper this season. We won't sell him.

Selling a defender? Nope.

We've got six great midfielders (who we won't and shouldn't sell) + Chadwick, Fortune and Stewart.

Fortune I wouldn't mind see leaving.

Fortune is a good player, but not United-class, and it's a waste of talent having him playing for the reserves. He'll do fine for Middlesbrough, Aston Villa or any such club.

Selling Chadwick would too be good. He's good but will never be more than a back up player at United. But most importantly he'd be used when Beckham can't play but there I'd rather see Forlan.

Selling a striker? Plz, we should be buying not selling.

So to sum up: Chadwick and Fortune should be sold, the rest we should keep. The money gained should be used for a fourth forward.
 
Originally posted by osterdal:
<strong>Like it or not but Barthez will be our keeper this season. We won't sell him.

Selling a defender? Nope.

We've got six great midfielders (who we won't and shouldn't sell) + Chadwick, Fortune and Stewart.

Fortune I wouldn't mind see leaving.

Fortune is a good player, but not United-class, and it's a waste of talent having him playing for the reserves. He'll do fine for Middlesbrough, Aston Villa or any such club.

Selling Chadwick would too be good. He's good but will never be more than a back up player at United. But most importantly he'd be used when Beckham can't play but there I'd rather see Forlan.

Selling a striker? Plz, we should be buying not selling.

So to sum up: Chadwick and Fortune should be sold, the rest we should keep. The money gained should be used for a fourth forward.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You won't buy a good striker with the fees received from sales of chadwick and fortune
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I think Kenyons point is more sell one (or two) - no matter how much you get from the deal(s). Then we might consider a buy. United have money, but how much on transfers?

Im sure SAF is frustrated with this. He wont let one of the best players go to buy a new striker/defender, and buying cheap doesn`t bring us what we want.
 
Originally posted by neo2002:
<strong>Im sure SAF is frustrated with this. He wont let one of the best players go to buy a new striker/defender, and buying cheap doesn`t bring us what we want.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, there is a limit to what you can spend before you become the next Chelsea/Leeds! Thats the harsh reality and I firmly expect our scout system to be able to find players for us who can cost less than tens of millions and still contributed.

Over the past two years we've broken records for a fee for a goalkeeper (Barthez at the time), then two british records (Ruud and Seba) then a british record and a defender record with Rio. There IS so much the club would spend, especially with our wages having got sky-high over the same period of time.

It's August 7, we're a week away from a first match of two in which we dare not fail. The idea there will be a mass change is a joke. If we wanted Marcos (a stupid rumour about a mediocare keeper) for example, he'd be here by now.
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It seems like some of u want these, or a few of the names on this list, out the door on OT. What kind of money would they give? Not much... Maybe enough to buy Heskey?

Chadwick -
Fortune -
Webber -
May -
:D
 
Originally posted by neo2002:
<strong>It seems like some of u want these, or a few of the names on this list, out the door on OT. What kind of money would they give? Not much... Maybe enough to buy Heskey?

Chadwick -
Fortune -
Webber -
May -
:D </strong><hr></blockquote>

We don't WANT to any of the names to go (Well, May possibly!) but if someone has to go for us to buy, those would obviously be the choice.
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* Chadwick - where is he?
* Barthez - not this season, may be next season. Who knows what his GF think.
* Veron, Butt or Scholes - no
* Ole - no way
* Phil - if we get Sorin/Escude, why not? Afterall, he won't be happy.
* Silvestre - maybe to cash in before he gets the bossman.
* Fortune - very likely
* May - very likely but who want him?
 
&gt; So to sum up: Chadwick and Fortune should be sold, the rest we should keep. The money gained should be used for a fourth forward.

Crazy stuff. Remember the days when we were more or less able to put out two international-class sides? Those days have gone. Outsde the first team, we look increasingly threadbare. Now's not the time to make that worse.
 
Originally posted by nickm:
<strong>&gt; So to sum up: Chadwick and Fortune should be sold, the rest we should keep. The money gained should be used for a fourth forward.

Crazy stuff. Remember the days when we were more or less able to put out two international-class sides? Those days have gone. Outsde the first team, we look increasingly threadbare. Now's not the time to make that worse.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agree. It's non-sense for us to sell BOTH cover for the wings. Besides, it also doesn't make much sense for selling a defender/striker because it will just increase the number of players we need to buy. As I said before, the only player who can go without much influence to the current team is Veron. However the main problem is that no one seems able to afford him.
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I'm somewhat mystified by the idea that we can't spend unless we sell.

If we have spent £15m on Rio this year, then we have spent £13m if you take into account Disco being sent up the road.

£13m. City spent that on one player. Surely our transfer budget must be about £25m a season.

I wonder if the board wants to get rid of some wage bills.

Fortune could be sold for around 4m. May maybe 1m. Chadwick maybe 3m. Phil Neville would bring in 5m. I would think 14m would bring in FB and a promising CF.
 
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