This! I totally agree!
Shocking United stat at Old Trafford
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Times we drew after leading at half time (Post Fergie):
13/14 - Southampton 1-1 (RVP 26' - Lallana 89')
14/15 - Arsenal 1-1 (Herrera 30' - Blackett OG 82')
15/16 - n/a
16/17 - Swansea 1-1 (Rooney 45+3' pen - Sigurdsson 79')
17/18 - n/a
18/19 - Wolves 1-1 (Fred 18' - Moutinho 53')
That's 4 times since Fergie, so 12 times under Fergie. Fergie was a God.
13/14 - Southampton 1-1 (RVP 26' - Lallana 89')
14/15 - Arsenal 1-1 (Herrera 30' - Blackett OG 82')
15/16 - n/a
16/17 - Swansea 1-1 (Rooney 45+3' pen - Sigurdsson 79')
17/18 - n/a
18/19 - Wolves 1-1 (Fred 18' - Moutinho 53')
That's 4 times since Fergie, so 12 times under Fergie. Fergie was a God.
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Whenever I see a stat like this flash up on Sky Sports - i always get the sense of dread that this is the day we feck it all up.
Definitely jinxed it now, dammit. That's an incredible stat and long may it continue
No idea what happened there
we were hardly up at half time with moyes. thats whyA record that survived Moyes
I was told yday we only had 2 clean sheets last season!!! That can’t be true can it?? Amazing if so
7 in total, 2 at home (Liverpool and Palace, both 0-0). Beyond terrible.
Amazed people only just found about this. We discuss it nearly every season on here. I'm always shifting uncomfortably at OT when we have a slow start to the second half and were leading at HT. I'd hate to see this record go because it is bananas.
A year or two ago I showed the records of the other big teams and how they only go back a few seasons. I've updated it below. Spurs and City have both had such losses in the last 18 months.
A year or two ago I showed the records of the other big teams and how they only go back a few seasons. I've updated it below. Spurs and City have both had such losses in the last 18 months.
It's true, whenever commentator mentioned some record (I'm watching Sport Klub from Balkans), the record was lost in the same game. It started to happen massively during Moyes era, by the time LvG took the club, I thought no record existed anymore. Boy, how I was wrong
We took the lead v Liverpool in 2009 but lost 4:1.
ah right you are …
coming from behind is so overated
They mentioned it again ffs
We're away from home today thoughThey mentioned it again ffs
Oh yes! Wonder why they mentioned it
Streak defended.
I cannot believe this! Is it April fools already?
One of these things that exist that I've learned we should not speak about.
Absolutely at HT. At FT, whenever it has been defended yet again, you should enjoy it and raise a toast. It won’t last forever.
Why bump this thread. Someone delete it.
Why jinx it. Now we’ll lose the record this season
Agree. What are the numbers at now?
Football heritage!
Another one for the streak.
Two more notches on the belt this week.
Anyone know where you could get this stat for other teams? Either full W/D/L records when leading at half time at home or how long ago it was since teams last lost from that position?
Thinking Arsenal, Chelsea Everton, Liverpool and Spurs would be the ones to look at. Probably easiest ones to check as alongside us, they've played every Premier League season.
Thinking Arsenal, Chelsea Everton, Liverpool and Spurs would be the ones to look at. Probably easiest ones to check as alongside us, they've played every Premier League season.
Anfield: December 13th 2009, Liverpool-Arsenal 1-2 (Kuyt 41', Johnson 50' (OG), Arshavin 58').
Emirates: January 1st 2022, Arsenal-City 1-2 (Saka 31', Mahrez 57', Rodri 93').
Stamford Bridge: October 29th 2011, Chelsea-Arsenal 3-5 (Lampard 14', RvP 36', Terry 44', Santos 49', Walcott 55', Mata 80', RvP 85', 92').
Tottenham Hotspur Stadium: April 11th 2021, Spurs-United 1-3 (Son 40', Fred 50', Cavani 79', Greenwood 96').
Goodison Park: January 14th 2022, Everton-Southampton 1-2 (Onana 39', Ward-Prowse 46', 78').
That does undermine its value somewhat.
In what way is the stat undermined? The fact that there has been an increase in the occurrence of United drawing or losing at half time isn’t really the point. A run of over 300 consecutive instances of winning when leading at half time is quite astonishing.
It was just a joke about some of the absolute showers of shit we’ve had playing for us in that time.
Ha ha fair enough mate.
That's how Van Gaal found a way around the problem: you can't lose the record if you never even score (or have a shot on target) in the first half!
Haha.
Moyes was an absolute disaster.
It was astonishing that he even got the job (consider that he is now managing West Ham who are in the bottom half of the table - that is his level).
It was even more astonishing that he lasted for 10 months - breaking as many negative records as he could, as quickly as possible.
And the best part of it: he broke these negative records without even trying!
Thanks for that, I hope you found those through some stats site and didn't have to manually trawl through all the results!
Cheers. It wasn't difficult, i just checked the home games marked in red (for a defeat) on Wikipedia. Took me about 10 minutes.
It is a bit of a random record to have, but you can appreciate more when you see that, from the rest of the big clubs, Liverpool have the best record and they're not even close to us.
Even City under Pep haven't managed something similar: May 8th 2021, City-Chelsea 1-2 (Sterling 44', Ziyech 63', Alonso 92'). They also have two more home defeats while leading at half-time under Pep. The first one was on December 6th 2016, again against Chelsea (1-3). The other one was against Mourinho's United on April 7th 2018, when we came back from 2-0 down to win 2-3.
I wonder if we're the best in Europe for this stat then. You'd imagine PSG, Bayern or one of the la Liga clubs should go close.
Checked Bayern using @TheRedDevil'sAdvocate method - 28th April 2007, Bayern 1-2 Hamburg (Pizarro 35', Van der Vaart 71', Guerrero 77')
Celtic might be a good one, Olympiacos too.
Edit: Done Olympiacos - 3rd February 2013 - Olympiacos 2-3 Atromitos (2-1 up at half time)
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Someone on Reddit wrote that: "Even more insane (this came up on Sky about 2/3 years ago) - If United go 2 goals up at Old Trafford, they have NEVER lost. Going all the way back to 1910 and even including the years after Munich. Obviously don't always go two up and a lot of the bad years didn't see a lot of 2 goals scored, but to literally never shit the bed from 2-up once is still fecking mad."
Didn't fact-check it, but if that's true then wow.
Didn't fact-check it, but if that's true then wow.
Has there been any games when we've taken the lead in the 2nd half but ended up losing?