Sheep draft SF - kps88 vs Joga Bonito

Who would win based on player peak?


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Team kps88

Defense: Providing the defensive base for my team is the world class Italian trio of Cannavaro, Bergomi and Zoff. All three are defensive legends of the game with unrivalled leadership qualities and experience. Between the three of them, they should be able to deal with any type of striker they come up against. On either side of the trio are Carboni and Sagnol, who are equally adept at supporting the attack as they are defending. Both have come up against world class wingers in the past and passed the test with flying colours.

Midfield and Attack: The job of Redondo - Tigana is to gain control of midfield, provide cover to the defense and pass it to the wealth of attacking and creative talent ahead of them. Having such a solid pairing behind him will allow one of the greatest playmakers in the world in Platini, reunited with his compatriot Tigana, the freedom to drift where he chooses and exert his influence on the game.

Providing width either side of Platini are Garrincha and Donadoni. Garrincha provides a raw, direct threat and the ability to win a match on his own. His presence will ensure the opposition full back is pinned backed and would often need a second player on the cover to help deal with the Brazilian. Throw the more than capable Sagnol into the mix and that right hand side would cause any team problems. On the other side is Donadoni – a complete winger who will provide yet more trickery, jinking runs and pace from the wings; along with stamina and work rate to track back if necessary.

Leading the line is the legendary Puskas. With the sheer amount of creative and attacking talent surrounding him, I’m confident he will either get chances himself or create space for others to score.

a late sub, Laudrup comes into the team for Donadoni:

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Team Joga Bonito

I'm operating on the premise that he's going with a front 4 of Laudrup-Plat-Mane-Puskas. Donadoni or Del Piero could feature at LW but it begs the question as to why Laudrup was upgraded, when the LW was more in need of a reinforcement.

Key Tactical Changes

Addition of Pitbull and MvB

As if the defense wasn't strong enough already, the monstrous pitbull Davids is here to shield it. The "one man engine room's" battle with Platini will prove to be a mouth watering one and there isn't a better DM in this draft bar Desailly.

A reminder of his sheer athletism and defensive prowess



Forward to 1.15


van Basten is the complete forward who caters to my multi faceted attack. Be it scoring from any angle, providing an aerial threat, bringing in others with his physical presence, linking up with fellow forwards with his technique, poaching etc. He can simply do it all. A supreme goalscorer and a complete forward blended into one.

Defensive Line : Normal

Style of Play : Off the ball, the defense and midfield will stay compact (not sitting back-overly defensive) and stifle his rather centrally oriented attack. Schuster will be in his pomp as the irrepressible and probing presence in midfield.

Burgnich being the ideal defensive RB tucking in to counter Laudrup/Del Piero's cutting inside threat whilst providing cover for Hierro who follows Puskas when he drops deep. Brehme would rein in his attacking instincts and forward runs to a certain extent. Although his primary concern is Garrincha, it doesn't mean he can't contribute offensively. Keep in mind that he's a cultured FB who doesn't need to bomb to the byline to aid the attack. He has a fantastic long pass on him and has the intelligence to know when to go forward at times to capitalise on Mane's lack of tracking back, without leaving the defense open.

Czibor will play as the marauding up and down runner on the right and will contribute to both phases of play but primarily the attacking one.

On the ball, Littbarski and Czibor will look to take advantage of his FBs and their lack of protection, cutting in and scoring themselves or laying one on a plate for v.Basten. Schuster will look to reprise his powerful and mazy runs on the ball, with ample support from Suarez, and will look to aid the attack.

Why I'd Win This

1) Suspect Chemistry & Balance of kps88's Attack

On paper a star studded attack featuring Platini, Laudrup, Garrincha and Puskas looks virtually unstoppable, right? Upon further inspection from a holistic and tactical perspective, it wouldn't appear to be the case though. Imho, this is a classical case of shoehorning too many star names at the criminal cost of a cohesive team, which in turn, results in the said star names each not performing at their expected 100%. Let me make my case.

When you have a glorious match winner, you'd ideally wish to cater to their strengths, provide them with the tactical freedom and the right system to flourish. Which was what was done for the likes of Platini, Puskas and Garrincha in their respective teams. As much as they were sole match winners, they were also fairly difficult and rigid tactically, absolutely needing the right system and personnel around them to flourish (a worthy compromise).

Platini had the brilliant Juve and France team built around him to give him the utmost freedom to do whatever the feck he wanted. He could pop up wherever he wanted, play one-twos, drop deep etc and dictate play with the lion's share of possession. He had selfless runners and tactically intelligent players ala Boniek/Rocheatau/Six/Rossi etc around him stretching play and linking up with him, allowing him to do what he did best with the lion's share of possession.

Garrincha is a magnificent player but a tactically flawed one. If you manage to circumvent those flaws and get him on the ball, then you have a top 3 GOAT single-handedly winning you matches. He never tracked back, never made runs off the ball and did zilch without the ball, expecting the ball to be spoonfed to him. On the ball, he was the epitome of individualism, dribbling past the same player thrice and hogging the ball to no ends. Is he someone whom Puskas & Platini are going to relish playing alongside? In one word, No.

With those 2 clamouring for the lion's share of the ball, the mighty magyar, Puskas throws his name into the hat. Puskas was anything but a spearhead mould of striker, despite what his goal record might indicate. He loved to drop deep and get on the ball, exhibitng his exquisite technique, vision and those insane left pegged long rangers. His team wasn't crying out for a creative ball playing-drop deep forward but rather a spearhead centre forward like a Müller/Kocsis/van Basten etc.

For instance, I went with van Basten over Puskas and Muller in reinforcements, despite the latter 2 being better individuals. Why? The last thing I needed was a creative-drop deep forward with the likes of Schuster-Suárez-Czibor-Litti in the team but rather a complete spearhead who could primarily occupy the CBs, provide a complete goal threat for my multi faceted attack and then secondarily being a good technician/dribbler on the ball.

So this isn't me just critiquing his balance for the sake of it, I genuinely believe what I'm stating here.

All this is not to say one needs 9 Parks/Welbecks around these players, doing the donkey work for them to thrive. What i mean is tactically suitable players without compromising on individual quality. For instance, I can see Platini working wonders alongside a Boniek, Conti, Figo, Czibor, Nedved etc not a Cruyff, Garrincha. The same way I see Garrincha performing at his best alongside a Charlton, Eusebio, Laudrup, Schuster etc and not a Platini, Maradona, Cruyff. Add Puskas to this and it only enhances my point.

I'm certain Di Stefano-Puskas (*ahem* Kopa *ahem*) and Pele-Garrincha will be brought up. However, Di Stefano was a complete and a versatile player who couldn't be more unlike the tactically rigid playmaking Platini. The 58/62 Pele (not the 1970 No 10 version) was a more direct SS/CF type direct player and once again a different kettle of fish to Platini.

Simply put, you can't have 3 ball hoggers who all want the lion's share of possession, in close vicinity and expect them all to shine. It just leads to a fractured and disjointed attack. Don't even get me started on them without the ball (more on that later :p)

Tbf I can see Laudrup functioning well, being an excellent team player on the ball capable of playing second fiddle. Even then he isn't in his prime here, which was him playing as a false 9/central No 10 for Barca and Real.

I beseech you all to look at his attack from a holistic and a tactical perspective, whilst also addressing the intricacies of the tactical system, instead of just taking the reductionist and individualistic view. If you still believe it would function flawlessly, then fair enough. I concede that it is a contentious point which I hope will bring forth some good discussions.

2) Perfect Synchrony Of Tactical Chemistry & Individual Flair

My team manages to strike the ideal balance, with a perfect cocktail of team ethic and individual talent.

The creativity and flair of Suárez, Brehme, Hierro, Schuster, Czibor and Littbarski is integrated without compromising the coherence of the team or the team ethic in any way but rather enhancing it.

The intense and ubiquitous pre injury Schuster probing and making a nuisance of himself without the ball and then driving forward at pace and playmaking/linking up with the forwards.

La Grande's Suárez with his positioning, tactical intelligence and defensive nous without the ball and his technique, dribbling and 50 yard pinged balls on the ball. Czibor with his dynamic up and down wing play off the ball and his mazy dribbles executed at full pelt, with a glorious cross/pass/shot at the end of it, on the ball. Littbarski managed to ally his silky dribbling with a decent industry off the ball as well.

As such I expect my team to function with more fluidity, execute transitions seamlessly and be flawless in both basic phases of the game. Making my team the more formidable presence overall, with the individuals all playing in unison to make it much more than the sum of its parts.
 
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3) Routes With Least Resistance (relatively)

The two routes which offer the least resistance to goals on the entire pitch, are Czibor vs Carboni & Littbarski vs Sagnol. Make no mistake, they are both very good FBs (esp Sagnol) but they do seem underwhelming at this stage.

For better context, I faced Gerets-Breitner in the R16 and Cafu-Lizarazu in the quarters. The other semis featured C.Alberto-Breitner and N.Santos-Zanetti with Krol on the bench.

It is undoubtedly his weakest area and his least protected area. His front 4 aren't going to do much, if any, tracking back. Redondo and Tigana have their hands full in midfield, with the number of passengers ahead of them. Besides Redondo is a cultured DM and not a mobile DM capable of covering vast swathes of area on the pitch.

It leaves Littbarski and Czibor on fairly frequent one on ones against his FBs and I'd expect them to have the considerable edge here. Keep in mind that both of them were two footed complete wide players, capable of cutting in and scoring (as their 1 in 2 records would attest) and going on the outside to create a goal.

Even though van Basten is against Bergomi and Cannavaro here, you'd expect him to bag a goal or two with consistent service from 2 tricky and creative wide players. Both of whom should have the beating of the FBs they are facing.

How This Will Pan Out

He has a fearsome attack with some gifted individuals but it is fragmented and I honestly can't see it performing as a sum of its parts to get the better of my defense. A monstrous pitbull shields a defense consisting of Mr Catenaccio, the greatest Spanish defender ever, probably the greatest stopper ever and a top 5 all time LB. Keep in mind that both my midfielders and Czibor will contribute to the defense you'll realise his disjointed attack has its work cut out.

I'd say the battles between the midfields and his attack vs my defense are fairly well poised. Where I have the significant edge is my attack facing his defense. As stated earlier, the easiest routes offering least resistance on the entire pitch, are my wide players against his FBs. That is a significant advantage which would contribute heavily to me winning this match.


Once again, I'm not criticising a team's balance for the sake of it. In fact, in my first match against Raees (my toughest match in this draft imo) I almost didn't have a single serious criticism to level at him. So much so that I basically did another players' write up in the OP :lol::lol:. I hope my points here, lead to an interesting discussion. Good luck Kps88.

(Don't forget to read more about the force of nature Schuster & Suárez to gain a better understanding of my midfield dynamics.)
 
Good luck @kps88 and @Joga Bonito

Oh and ffs Joga, your essay was too long for a single post, let alone to fit in the op :lol:
 
Good luck @kps88 and @Joga Bonito

Oh and ffs Joga, your essay was too long for a single post, let alone to fit in the op :lol:

:lol:. Not expecting most to read through it but well at least the points that catches their eyes.:p

Oh and do you mind spoilering the content under my first point.

Good choice by kps to go for Donadoni imo. Brings better balance but doesn't really make sense to upgrade Laudrup when Donadoni would have been the better one to upgrade.
 
Good luck @kps88 and @Joga Bonito

Oh and ffs Joga, your essay was too long for a single post, let alone to fit in the op :lol:

Not to mention the majority of it is useless since I've gone with a different lineup. Sorry for making you write all that, Joga!
 
Can't help but think that KPS has upgraded all wrong. But it is still a better side than Joga's.

I don't really want to vote for either of them.
 
Not to mention the majority of it is useless since I've gone with a different lineup. Sorry for making you write all that, Joga!

Not really. I did acknowledge the possibility of you going for Donadoni right at the start of my write up. Minor change, Doesn't really take away too much from my write up imo.:p
 
Can't help but think that KPS has upgraded all wrong. But it is still a better side than Joga's.

I don't really want to vote for either of them.

How I upgrade shouldn't really matter as long as my side is better. We're voting on who would win each game. Who would you have gone with? I didn't feel there were any obvious choices at LW or LB that were a significant jump in quality compared to what I already had. I looked at the potential wingers/full backs I would be facing and made my choices accordingly.
 
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How I upgrade shouldn't really matter as long as my side is better. We're voting on who would win each game. Who would you have gone with? I didn't feel there were any obvious choices at LW or LB that were a significant jump in quality compared to what I already had. I looked at the potential wingers/full backs I would be facing and made my choices accordingly.
Boniek
Cabrini
Bossis
Rivaldo
Amoros
R.Carlos
Cafu
Lizarazu
Etc

These were all a significant upgrade to your LB/RB and LW positions. The disparity is much more significant than Laudrup-Platini and their need to be reinforced was more.

Tbh I can see Laudrup functioning much better in that team instead of Platini. He was quite possibly the last player you needed to upgrade, after Garrincha.
 
I was really looking forward to see Platini - Laudrup partnership again. I liked it in real life and with peak Laudrup it would've been even better - and he is the least selfish player that you can think of (it was the only criticism that he ever received from Platini, actually, "not being selfish enough"), so all this "hungry for the ball" arguments aren't really relevant here.



Donadoni is here for balancing the team, but I don't see it. The way I see it - he is out of his depth, plain and simple, and so is Carboni. Also, not sure if Puskas is the right fit here (if we keep in mind that Muller was available), but if kps doesn't want us to discuss the upgrades in the match thread, we shouldn't. He is more than capable of fulfilling this role, of course, but I can understand Joga's criticism.

Leaning towards Joga now, though kps' midfield is just sick, it has everything that you can wish for.
 
Going with Jogo, especially for that tactical write up alone, i would say its spot on.
 
Also, @Joga Bonito, have you considered switching Brehme and Burgnich? Those catenaccio side-backs were mostly man-markers anyway and didn't give a feck about which side to play on and Brehme was very comfortable on the right, if I'm not mistaken? You don't need a defensive fullback against Donadoni and Carboni, and you would benefit from having someone on Garrincha personally. On the other hand, Brehme is reunited with Czibor and they are free to create havoc on a relatively weak kps' flank
 
I hate the fact that Donadoni is playing here, seems out of depth, but reuniting Tigana and Platini, adding Redondo to it with Puskas to finish it up is too good. And that's without even saying a word about Garrincha. Donadoni's lack of inluence here won't be that significant with the rest or the players around him. Superb stuff @kps88
 
Didn't realise so many don't rate Donadoni. He was always someone who stood out for me whenever I saw footage from Milan's great games. He certainly didn't look out of his depth in big European finals. Something I've got to keep an eye on.
 
Also, @Joga Bonito, have you considered switching Brehme and Burgnich? Those catenaccio side-backs were mostly man-markers anyway and didn't give a feck about which side to play on and Brehme was very comfortable on the right, if I'm not mistaken? You don't need a defensive fullback against Donadoni and Carboni, and you would benefit from having someone on Garrincha personally. On the other hand, Brehme is reunited with Czibor and they are free to create havoc on a relatively weak kps' flank

Mmm... Not a bad point @Joga Bonito. I actually thought Czibor belonged with a defensive fullback and Littbarski with Brehme, but prefer Czibor left and Littbarski right, particularly if you are swapping Schuster and Suárez as well. Schuster and Litti could end up running into each other's space.
 
Didn't realise so many don't rate Donadoni. He was always someone who stood out for me whenever I saw footage from Milan's great games. He certainly didn't look out of his depth in big European finals. Something I've got to keep an eye on.

You are absolutely right, iirc he was also invisible for Edgar's Manager Draft-winning Capello side.
 
Dont really think donadoni is that much of an issue, he is there to provide width and stretch the pitch. The majority of attack is going through platini and garrincha anyway.
 
Dont really think donadoni is that much of an issue, he is there to provide width and stretch the pitch. The majority of attack is going through platini and garrincha anyway.
This, I have no problem with Donadoni playing here.
 
@Joga Bonito I have a question about your tactics, you mention that platini,puskas wont have any one making runs for them but surely having donadoni counters that? Do you want to address how the introduction of donadoni changes your tactics?

How quick was puskas btw? Did he have the pace to make dangerous runs behind joga's defense, if yes think he would do fine as a lead the line striker and kps attacks work just fine. If not, then the area platini is operating in might just be too crowded.
 
I like Donadoni but he definitely is not a semi final candidate. It makes the team one dimensional to have most attacks through right flank alone.

He has platini in the middle! How will all his attacks come from the right flank?

The way I see it, he has donadoni out wide to provide width and play intelligently. Garrincha on the other side, doing whatever he wants.

Platini exploiting the space and dictating tempo while puskas engages the defenders.
 
I like Donadoni but he definitely is not a semi final candidate. It makes the team one dimensional to have most attacks through right flank alone.

That simply wouldn't happen. In fact, I'm sure Platini would enjoy playing with Donadoni more than Garrincha. He was pragmatic and efficient (Platini, that is).
 
He has platini in the middle! How will all his attacks come from the right flank?

The way I see it, he has donadoni out wide to provide width and play intelligently. Garrincha on the other side, doing whatever he wants.

Platini exploiting the space and dictating tempo while puskas engages the defenders.

Agree. I got confused when you mentioned Platini Garrincha as the attacking flank. He is not a weakness, but an upgrade there would have made the team better.
 
He has platini in the middle! How will all his attacks come from the right flank?

The way I see it, he has donadoni out wide to provide width and play intelligently. Garrincha on the other side, doing whatever he wants.

Platini exploiting the space and dictating tempo while puskas engages the defenders.
Aye. It's a good tactical call deploying Donadoni to create space for the other three, work the flanks, stretch the defence so that Burgnich cannot tuck in to squeeze the space even more for Platini and Puskas. He'll do a similar job to Boniek in the Platini/Boniek partnership. And quality-wise Garrincha is obviously top dog amongst the wingers, but there's not a lot between the other three.
Didn't realise so many don't rate Donadoni. He was always someone who stood out for me whenever I saw footage from Milan's great games. He certainly didn't look out of his depth in big European finals. Something I've got to keep an eye on.
The back four and the Dutch trio get a lot of credit for that Milan team but often it was Donadoni who was the most creative presence on the park, adding invention and wingplay without losing the graft and discipline that characterised the rest of the midfield unit.
 
Also, @Joga Bonito, have you considered switching Brehme and Burgnich? Those catenaccio side-backs were mostly man-markers anyway and didn't give a feck about which side to play on and Brehme was very comfortable on the right, if I'm not mistaken? You don't need a defensive fullback against Donadoni and Carboni, and you would benefit from having someone on Garrincha personally. On the other hand, Brehme is reunited with Czibor and they are free to create havoc on a relatively weak kps' flank
The other side of that though is Brehme will be hunted back by Donadoni, which isn't really going to happen with the Brazilian. Depends what Joga wants to prioritise really.
 
Also, @Joga Bonito, have you considered switching Brehme and Burgnich? Those catenaccio side-backs were mostly man-markers anyway and didn't give a feck about which side to play on and Brehme was very comfortable on the right, if I'm not mistaken? You don't need a defensive fullback against Donadoni and Carboni, and you would benefit from having someone on Garrincha personally. On the other hand, Brehme is reunited with Czibor and they are free to create havoc on a relatively weak kps' flank

Agreed. Needless to say it crossed my mind before the match, as I absolutely hated depriving Brehme the freedom to attack. Plus Burgnich is someone who I could see ideally restricting Garrincha as much as possible. Obviously Mane would get the better of him a few times, as he would with any FB, but Burgnich is a top tier defensive FB alongside Vogts, D.Santos, Bergomi etc and the best pure defender in an impenetrable Catenaccio Inter side. Can't think of too many better FBs to be up against Mane. However, I figured he'll most likely be playing Laudrup/Del Piero, so Burgnich as the tucked in RB made more sense dealing with that threat, instead of Brehme.

I'm going to swap both my FBs positions now, with Donadoni on the pitch, giving me a significant advantage on that right flank. Will do so in a few hours as I'm outside and on the phone :(.

Plus I agree with anto in that I'll play Czibor in front of Burgnich. He offers much more continuity and acts as a better bridge (in a flank with a defensive FB) with his dynamic up and down wing play. Littbarski could do it too but not to the extent of Czibor, who singlehandedly manned the flanks for the mighty Magyars side.

Besides Littbarski+Brehme is just as :drool: it can get.

@Joga Bonito I have a question about your tactics, you mention that platini,puskas wont have any one making runs for them but surely having donadoni counters that? Do you want to address how the introduction of donadoni changes your tactics?

How quick was puskas btw? Did he have the pace to make dangerous runs behind joga's defense, if yes think he would do fine as a lead the line striker and kps attacks work just fine. If not, then the area platini is operating in might just be too crowded.

I'm swapping my FBs and wide players positions. I honestly can't see Donadoni getting the better of Brehme here. Gives more balance, no doubt, but he'll have his hands full with Brehme and Littbarski, with Carboni needing help as well. That flank battle is the biggest disparity on the entire pitch with other 'battles' being fairly even.

Besides my main point about the Platini-Garrincha-Puskas trio was that I can't see them functioning cohesively together. They do not complement each other, simply put.

Puskas is not the right striker for this set up. He's not the leading striker that you'd want in this set up tactically. I actually had the chance to go for Müller and Puskas in reinforcements but went for van Basten with the former two being better individuals, simply because MvB was the best tactical fit (without compromising a discernible amount of quality). I don't want to keep banging about it and I've gone in detail about that issue on the OP.

Overall I'd say I have the more balanced and cohesive team which is better set up to deal with his. Platini is up against the pit bull Davids, Garrincha against the rock Mr Catenaccio Burgnich, Puskas against possibly the greatest stopper in Kohler with Hierro aiding and Tigana-Redondo against Schuster-Suárez. All fairly even battles.

On the flip side you've Sagnol against Czibor, Littbarski-Brehme against Carboni-Donadoni.

His team has more 'star quality', no two ways about it, but mine is the more coherent team overall tactically, which has a well drilled top tier defense against a great but fragmented attack and an attack which should get the better of his defense.
 
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I'm going to swap both my FBs positions now, with Donadoni on the pitch, giving me a significant advantage on that right flank. Will di so in a few hours as I'm outside and on the phone :(.
Straight swap, that's it? I can do that for you, if you want me to.
 
Straight swap, that's it? I can do that for you, if you want me to.

Yeah thanks, but with Brehme more as a RB instead of the tucked in RB in the formation. Mirror swap Czibor and Littbarski please. Czibor being the LM and Littbarski being the more forward RW that is. Cheers.
 
Yeah thanks, but with Brehme more as a RB instead of the tucked in RB in the formation. Mirror swap Czibor and Littbarski please. Czibor being the LM and Littbarski being the more forward RW that is. Cheers.
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Agreed. Needless to say it crossed my mind before the match, as I absolutely hated depriving Brehme the freedom to attack. Plus Burgnich is someone who I could see ideally restricting Garrincha as much as possible. Obviously Mane would get the better of him a few times, as he would with any FB, but Burgnich is a top tier defensive FB alongside Vogts, D.Santos, Bergomi etc and the best pure defender in an impenetrable Catenaccio Inter side. Can't think of too many better FBs to be up against Mane. However, I figured he'll most likely be playing Laudrup/Del Piero, so Burgnich as the tucked in RB made more sense dealing with that threat, instead of Brehme.

I'm going to swap both my FBs positions now, with Donadoni on the pitch, giving me a significant advantage on that right flank. Will do so in a few hours as I'm outside and on the phone :(.

Plus I agree with anto in that I'll play Czibor in front of Burgnich. He offers much more continuity and acts as a better bridge (in a flank with a defensive FB) with his dynamic up and down wing play. Littbarski could do it too but not to the extent of Czibor, who singlehandedly manned the flanks for the mighty Magyars side.

Besides Littbarski+Brehme is just as :drool: it can get.



I'm swapping my FBs and wide players positions. I honestly can't see Donadoni getting the better of Brehme here. Gives more balance, no doubt, but he'll have his hands full with Brehme and Littbarski, with Carboni needing help as well. That flank battle is the biggest disparity on the entire pitch with other 'battles' being fairly even.

Besides my main point about the Platini-Garrincha-Puskas trio was that I can't see them functioning cohesively together. They do not complement each other, simply put.

Puskas is not the right striker for this set up. He's not the leading striker that you'd want in this set up tactically. I actually had the chance to go for Müller and Puskas in reinforcements but went for van Basten with the former two being better individuals, simply because MvB was the best tactical fit (without compromising a discernible amount of quality). I don't want to keep banging about it and I've gone in detail about that issue on the OP.

Overall I'd say I have the more balanced and cohesive team which is better set up to deal with his. Platini is up against the pit bull Davids, Garrincha against the rock Mr Catenaccio Burgnich, Puskas against possibly the greatest stopper in Kohler with Hierro aiding and Tigana-Redondo against Schuster-Suárez. All fairly even battles.

On the flip side you've Sagnol against Czibor, Littbarski-Brehme against Carboni-Donadoni.

His team has more 'star quality', no two ways about it, but mine is the more coherent team overall tactically, which has a well drilled top tier defense against a great but fragmented attack and an attack which should get the better of his defense
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:lol: Did you just copy your tactical write up? I did read that montrosity the first time, you know :p

Will read the debate between you two and vote later.
 
:lol: Did you just copy your tactical write up? I did read that montrosity the first time, you know :p

Will read the debate between you two and vote later.

Oh sorry, thought you hadn't and I wanted to summarise and also reiterate my point about it primarily being a compatibility issue and not really just about the lack of runners. Good to know that you read that monstrosity along with Mani as well :p.
 
Has Burgnich ever played left back before?

Yes, he was capable of playing along the back line and even played as a defensive sweeper at times when Picchi wasn't playing. Besides he is primarily a defensive FB and isn't losing anything swapping flanks. The same way LB Camacho was capable of swapping to the right if there was a great RW threat (Dzajic) to be nueutralised.

Brehme is literally the most 2 footed player I've ever seen and was equally at ease at RB. Sometimes I even forget which leg was his sweeter one when watvhing him play.
Brehme was as complete as they come. Shooting, passing, crossing, set pieces, tactical intelligence, tackling, defending and he was literally the most two footed player I've ever seen.

As I stated in my write up, he's one of the 5 full backs ever to finish in a Ballon d'Or top 3 and he also won the Serie A POTY, in a league featuring Maldini, Baresi, Gullit, Matthäus, Rijkaard, and Van Basten as a LB for Christ sake!



Just watch it. The ridiculous bugger had it all. Can hardly think of such an well rounded threat at LB and someone who was an imposing and versatile threat to opponents, bar Facchetti ofc.

His match winning exploits at the WC as a FB were legendary to say the least. Scoring in the 86 semis against France and leading the failed comeback in the final against Argentina, with 2 of his corners resulting in goals. Repeated the feat in 1990 by scoring in the semis against England and topping it off with the WC winning goal in the final. Epic stuff.

 
Has Burgnich ever played left back before?

Yes, he was capable of playing along the back line and even played as a defensive sweeper at times when Picchi wasn't playing. Besides he is primarily a defensive FB and isn't losing anything swapping flanks. The same way LB Camacho was capable of swapping to the right if there was a great RW threat (Dzajic) to be nueutralised.

Brehme is literally the most 2 footed player I've ever seen and was equally at ease at RB. Sometimes I even forget which leg was his sweeter one when watvhing him play.
Anyway here is someone who I really expect to thrive along with Schuster.

Brehme was as complete as they come. Shooting, passing, crossing, set pieces, tactical intelligence, tackling, defending and he was literally the most two footed player I've ever seen.

As I stated in my write up, he's one of the 5 full backs ever to finish in a Ballon d'Or top 3 and he also won the Serie A POTY, in a league featuring Maldini, Baresi, Gullit, Matthäus, Rijkaard, and Van Basten as a LB for Christ sake!



Just watch it. The ridiculous bugger had it all. Can hardly think of such an well rounded threat at LB and someone who was an imposing and versatile threat to opponents, bar Facchetti ofc.

His match winning exploits at the WC as a LB were legendary to say the least. Scoring in the 86 semis against France and leading the failed comeback in the final against Argentina, with 2 of his corners resulting in goals. Repeated the feat in 1990 by scoring in the semis against England and topping it off with the WC winning goal in the final. Epic stuff.


Here's a vid of the mgical Littbarski



Notice his absurd close control dribbling in the tightest and most crowded of places; pace which allows him to drive forward from deep whilst also allowing him to tap the ball past defenders and outpace them; his 2 footedness when it comes to dribbling, shooting and passing, in combination with his invaluable ability to operate from the centre or either flank.

Doesn't fully portray his goalscoring prowess and his crossing/passing ability though, being a dribbling compilation. He even functioned as more of a playmaker in his latter years when his legs started to go.

That duo is capable of terrorising and dominating the right flank.
 
Yes, he was capable of playing along the back line and even played as a defensive sweeper at times when Picchi wasn't playing. Besides he is primarily a defensive FB and isn't losing anything swapping flanks. The same way LB Camacho was capable of swapping to the right if there was a great RW threat (Dzajic) to be nueutralised.

Brehme is literally the most 2 footed player I've ever seen and was equally at ease at RB. Sometimes I even forget which leg was his sweeter one when watvhing him play.


Here's a vid of the mgical Littbarski



Notice his absurd close control dribbling in the tightest and most crowded of places; pace which allows him to drive forward from deep whilst also allowing him to tap the ball past defenders and outpace them; his 2 footedness when it comes to dribbling, shooting and passing, in combination with his invaluable ability to operate from the centre or either flank.

Doesn't fully portray his goalscoring prowess and his crossing/passing ability though, being a dribbling compilation. He even functioned as more of a playmaker in his latter years when his legs started to go.

That duo is capable of terrorising and dominating the right flank.

You seriously need to stop posting the same videos with the same writeups every match mate :lol:
I mean I loved the Littbarski video the first time I saw it, than came the QF and I saw it again, now I can't see it for a third time. I mean there must be other videos you can post, or just give a link to it in the player profiles or something..
That's just how I see it, nothing personal but I just don't see any renovation in posting the same clip with the same writeup for every match.