Sheep Draft Q/F - Sajeev vs VivaJanuzaj
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Of course, but then I think one team needs the player more than the other. I do hate to see Keane is a 3 man midfield and I don't think it was wholly necessary here.
Yeah you deffo should have won that one. Most of the votes I got was because people werent aware of who your players were
That's not what I said, stop twisting my words vivacrappy. What I said was anyone that thinks Marquez is a mission critical player that would settle this game is a bellend.
You can agree or not on how good he was but you can't say this game would be settled by that factor.
Dunga, there's a mission critical misfit.
Your spare man in defence being marooned on the right and not central and being able to influence across the back. That's mission critical.
Rivaldo escapes Dunga, Henry peels wide untucking Berthold,and suddenly it's Marco and Rivaldo vs. Viercho and Ciro.
That too is a mission critical mismatch.
I only took offense to anto calling voters bellends.
Agree with all of that, particularly the part about Dunga who I don't think is too much of a misfit in that midfield at all - I can see what Chester was getting at and it does look slightly strange, but in practise I think those three would work quite well together.
I have nothing to do with Viva's team. I exchanged 3 PMs throughout this draft and he pretty much ignored every single advise I gave him - which were draft Rivelino, pick Scirea and Carlos
It's too simplistic to say that Mauro Silva can play this role but not Dunga. In a 3 man midfield you will always players who will be optimized to their full extent and others who will adapt to the role assigned.
People's arguments also seem to change in different instances. I had Dunga in all time WC draft and when I suggested he could be someone to provide a passing agent from midfield, people dissed it. Now here, folks think he is being asked to play an overly defensive role.
Well, you seem to be doing a 2v0 as far as I can see.
Running out of battery. Anyone care run the rule on Ballons, Golden Boots, WCs and CLs for either attacking trio?
Off the top of my head sajeev has 4 Ballons d'Or, 3 European Golden Boots,a few UEFA top scorers, 2 WCs, 2 Euros and 5 CLs.
Viva has 2 Ballons, no boots, no WC, no Euros (2 Copas) and 2 CLs.
There's critical deltas for you.
Off the top of my head sajeev has 4 Ballons d'Or, 3 European Golden Boots,a few UEFA top scorers, 2 WCs, 2 Euros and 5 CLs.
Viva has 2 Ballons, no boots, no WC, no Euros (2 Copas) and 2 CLs.
There's critical deltas for you.
Not sure that's a fair comparison. Your 3 players, 1 is a pure striker and the the other 2 pretty much made careers out of doing the same.
It's honours for country, club and individual, and they got them beat on all three. I'd call that fair overall.
Sajeev having far more prolific goalscorers isn't an unfair comparison but very much the crux of the matter.
Figo and Nedved can prance around all they want, that frintline against that defence is scoring one goal max.
I'm telling you guys - Rupert Murdoch.
Started small, sitting in Uruguay with his own little draft team. After seeing how easy this whole drafting business was for him, he decided to expand his influence. Soon, match discussions would only go in the direction of his choosing and he had complete control of the conversation. Having the Anto Seal of Approval™ was often the difference between winning and losing. Anyone not willing to play ball would have their team bombarded (sometimes in the draft thread itself) with walls of text, carefully constructed formation graphics and accusations of bellendery.
Having this sort of power and reach inevitably lead to further influence. We started seeing players like Montero, Marquez and Luis Enrique appear more often in drafts and managers started PMing him for advice; he was shaping policy! Eventually, the managers simply thought - "instead of trying to guess which players he likes, why not just let him pick them all for me?" The prospect of managing multiple teams was too tempting to turn down and the concept of shadow managing was born.
In order to avoid accusations of corruption, he'd mysteriously turn down offers to participate in drafts ("I'm too busy to take part", "my wife will kill me"), only to end up posting more than the actual managers themselves. Soon, the majority of draft teams were under his influence either directly or indirectly. I'm fairly certain we've seen draft games where, in actuality, it has just been Anto arguing with himself through proxy managers.
With the teams under his control, the final frontier was influencing the drafting process itself. Before you knew it, despite the OP clearly stating otherwise, he took over the sheep allotment process and the domination was complete.
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Things are not what they seem. This so-called "anto" figure is just a front for that Prince of Darkness you naive...erm...bellends! think of as the mild mannered Balu. Ask Skizzo. He knows. But Balu has silenced him - probably for good. The poster currently known as "Skizzo" is in fact Mustard, who has been paid in ale to keep his mouth shut and play along.
Well written, the last paragraph especially!Also, why can't sajeev post in the thread? Highly suspicious.
BrilliantI, myself, thought about it while picking Enrique (tbf, it was a desperate attempt of not getting a sheep). He is great and incredibly versatile, but would I pick him if not for anto's constant praising of him? Probably not.
Not much - if we're talking peak, I'd say Dunga edges it, but Marquez was very good in his pomp.
Anyway, it's a role thing more than anything. If you buy that Dunga role, then fine - his quality as a player is undeniable. If you don't buy it - or don't quite buy it, which is the case for me - it becomes a completely different sort of comparison. The one is clearly playing a role he has mastered as a matter of historical record - the other is playing a role which looks unnatural (at least to an extent) for him.
Nothing glaringly obvious to separate these teams, so one has to focus on details.
That is brilliant!
Indeed, well said.
Brilliant match up. It's extremely difficult to call in the first place and the more you think about it, it only becomes harder.
Sorry lads can't comment ATM, but as far as Balloon Dor boots etc that anto pointed out, two things: first of all, I never disagreed that your attacking trio is better than mine.
Secondly, I bet mine has plenty more assists between them, not that it matters, but I don't feel I lack any goal threat against your weaker defense, in fact if I had to guess I'd say this match will finish in 2-1 3-1 3-2 score for my team 7 times out of 10
Secondly, I bet mine has plenty more assists between them, not that it matters, but I don't feel I lack any goal threat against your weaker defense, in fact if I had to guess I'd say this match will finish in 2-1 3-1 3-2 score for my team 7 times out of 10
Funny. Last game you declared that anyone voting for mdfc over sajeev was due to individual appeal of van basten. Now this time, people must vote for sajeev because van hasten is in your side with his 3 ballondors. I mean trying to belittle attacking trio of batigol, figo and nedved.
This.
@antohan , I have to admit you're one of the most knowledgable posters in the draft community, but there's a huge difference between the bias antohan and the unbias one. When you're not involved in a match your posts are amazing to read, really to the point, informative and straightforward, but when you play a match you'll try to sell any thought for the sake of winning. I love managers who admit they have a mismatch but try to explain how they'll compensate for it, but you just don't agree it's a mismatch. That's no fun mate.
Well written, but I don't agree with it.
The selling of players like Montero etc is needed because not many can effectively sell them and they end up being under appreciated all through. I agree there is a distinction between selling and overrating, but I'm pretty sure most here can tell the difference. The 'force' of anto as you call it is what the other managers/players make it to be. This is after all a fantasy draft based on opinions and 'shiny object' as NoPace put it. Inane arguments, overselling and underrating of opposition is part of the game. It's up those who vote to take it with a pinch of salt. I don't see anything negative in anto trying to influence and lots of positivity in discussion and debates that keep the game lively.
Geez what happened to your sense of humour? It was very much tongue in cheek.
This is getting nasty, thought I can see what the likes of kps and EAP are saying, even in a tongue in cheek way.
This is nonsense. I was trying to sell Pantsil doing a job on Leidholm. After all if managers don't make the effort to over sell their weak players, we may as well go for points based wins and not play matches at all. It's part and parcel and every manager should do it. The onus is on the voters too make their own decisions.
No I can't seem to agree with you. The way I see it, if I had Pantsil against Liedholm I'd try to concede he might lose that matchup but explain how that won't be the game changer, or how I plan to help Pantsil with that.
Carry on with the 2v0 you two.
It's very simple: the midfields are competitive, both sides have service/transition, but Sajeev has the perfect kryptonite for Bati and Figo in Ruggeri and Bossis. That's what makes the difference, Nedved could have a blinder and you still struggle to score more than one goal.
At the other end I see no kryptonite, just a good defensive trio that I do rate but don't think will be anywhere near as effective against the threat they face. They will score at least one goal while you will score [/at most] one.
That's it in a nutshell, you rely on a primary goalscorer who won't have a good game at all.
Grow up anto. All this 2 v 0 non sense. If I had collaborated with Viva I would have made it public. Besides you are the last person who should raising this since in several matches you take one side's case over the other. Not to mention you as an AM has 20 posts in this thread against Viva's 22. So much for '0'
Any one who has followed my comments on draft threads would know that I don't rate Henry and Seedorf as much as others so forgive me for not copying your opinion on players at every turn.
Anyway I am done with this now.
Any one who has followed my comments on draft threads would know that I don't rate Henry and Seedorf as much as others so forgive me for not copying your opinion on players at every turn.
Anyway I am done with this now.
That's brilliant. Sadly, it's also how many actually do perceive it and act accordingly.
I've only ever been involved in these things for the love of the game, the players involved and sticking up for those deserving a chance to shine. I stopped managing because the gamethreads took away from that, I regularly ended having aggro with the likes of @Fergus' son and @Brwned despite having very similar tastes and usually agreeing on 90+%. I refused to AM or help any one manager openly because clearly there is a contra movement, lots seem to make a point of disagreeing with me if only to cross swords even if it's other people's games. Can't help but feel I've hurt sajeev more than I helped him here.
Anyhow, the being busy is real life, I just find it all quite addictive and happen to be around computers all day. But yeah, probably time to move on.
Good result with the fishing, will post pics later.
Sure, go away, that scoreline won't change all that much now.
feck sake anto. Really?
This is pathetic mate. I'm trying to calm things down by explaining calmly why I don't like the way you play, than you go and accuse Crappy and me for viciously collaborating in order to win a bloody draft match!
You should really grow up man, really scraping the barrel here looking for something to pin us on, when Crappy is merely just speaking his mind.
So, for all you guys listening to anto's ranting about us and making up lies - like crappy said, we exchanged a couple of ideas - mainly him suggesting me players to take and me saying "no thanks" and moving on with the draft. So if you've listened to anto so far, you're stupid.
This is pathetic mate. I'm trying to calm things down by explaining calmly why I don't like the way you play, than you go and accuse Crappy and me for viciously collaborating in order to win a bloody draft match!
You should really grow up man, really scraping the barrel here looking for something to pin us on, when Crappy is merely just speaking his mind.
So, for all you guys listening to anto's ranting about us and making up lies - like crappy said, we exchanged a couple of ideas - mainly him suggesting me players to take and me saying "no thanks" and moving on with the draft. So if you've listened to anto so far, you're stupid.
@antohan @VivaJanuzaj @Edgar Allan Pillow @crappycraperson
How many voters even read all the arguements though? I'd be genuinely clueless. Most just see the OP. Let's avoid all the ugliness
How many voters even read all the arguements though? I'd be genuinely clueless. Most just see the OP. Let's avoid all the ugliness
I really tried and I agree with that, anto just started bitching around and accusing crappy of playing for my team without everyone's knowledge and thats a real cheap shot@antohan @VivaJanuzaj @Edgar Allan Pillow @crappycraperson
How many voters even read all the arguements though? I'd be genuinely clueless. Most just see the OP. Let's avoid all the ugliness
I'm not going to lie, part of the reason I lost interest in this stuff is because of the inevitable war of attrition that antohan engineered any time he had a vested interest in the game. Then it became less about the game and the players and more about the idea of "winning", and I just did not care about "winning" these games to waste any more time on that.
The other part of the reason was that it's just a bit of a weird thing to do...but then I enjoy lots of strange things, so the driving factor was undoubtedly the incredible levels of tedium and aggression that dominated almost every one of these games. It's completely unnecessary.
The other part of the reason was that it's just a bit of a weird thing to do...but then I enjoy lots of strange things, so the driving factor was undoubtedly the incredible levels of tedium and aggression that dominated almost every one of these games. It's completely unnecessary.
Calm down princess. "Viciously collaborating"
I'm just pointing out he is quite clearly banging on and on in your favour, the exact same thing I was accused of in sajeev's last game and that landed me this crap and unwanted AM job. I did however, focus only on the one issue that bugged me (how people perceived Marquez) and never got personal or started making a big deal of every single statement.You are very wrong if you think I give two shits about gaining any advantage here, just calling a spade a spade.
I feel you man. The problem is even after giving up on playing the whole "engineering" thing still lingers. It's been a long time since I last made a statement I didn't think was true, but I suppose I'll have to follow your lead and remove the problem altogether.
Ran out of bait and needed a bigger barrel. Off I go again.
A lot more fun than this idiotic discussions and overreactions.
Ta-ra
Is this another one of your picture-puzzles? The last time you posted a picture with a fecking fish, you tormented me with it for years.
Ran out of bait and needed a bigger barrel. Off I go again.
A lot more fun than this idiotic discussions and overreactions.
Ta-ra