Set Piece Specialist

Mata has scored half a dozen free kicks for us, hasn't lost it in the slightest, just doesn't get to take them often these days. Also I don't remember Van Persie ever scoring a good free kick for us; there was the one against City which got a lucky deflection, and one against Olympiakos in the CL where the keeper was on holiday.

Anyway I wouldn't worry, looks like Marcus is becoming an ace free kick taker :devil:

We scored an absurd amount of goals on set pieces during Ferguson's last season. And RVP was the one usually taking them.
 
Beckham needs to give this squad a crossing, corners and free-kick crash course. Coaching is needed. We are one of the worst teams at delivering a ball into a box.

I've thought this for years. It's not as though Beckham or Scholes would be against coming to the training ground and showing these guys a few things.

Not as if Scholes and Beckham could improve Pogba or Lingard is it.....
 
We've got the players to do the set piece delivery, I just get the feeling we don't train them much. Mata, Pogba etc were good FK takers before they transferred to United, so just adding more 'specialists' won't change anything.
 
Can the throw-in be counted in as a set piece? If it can then we ain't completely rubbish at taking set pieces! :D
 
Not sure about that. Some would say Blind.

Plus who says Herrera, Pogba or Mkhitaryan arent better? They never take them, but i refuse to believe they would be worse.
Blind is a great crosser but he's not special at set pieces. Mata is for sure our best free kick taker and probably the best at taking corners.

I haven't seen anything from Herrera or Mkhitaryan that suggests they are better. Pogba is just not good at all.
 
I must say lack of set piece specialist really has been the problem this season. In Sir Alex's era, whenever we struggled to score from open play, we used set pieces as our backup source to score goals. I am not talking about a specialist who can score a goal from free kick but instead, I am talking about players who can deliver great ball. From Beckham, Giggs, Nani and RVP/Rooney and now we have no one who can deliver great ball from set pieces.

Players like Mata and Rooney who used to be so good as a specialist in set pieces are now not as good as they used to be and also not consistent. Blind's corners were so inconsistent, Mkhy's corner were so awful with no pace at all, both Martial and Rashford's corner were awful too. I believe we need to sign a specialist of set pieces this summer and also can fit into our system and formation.
 
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I must say lack of set piece specialist really has been the problem this season. In Sir Alex's era, whenever we struggled to score from open play, we used set pieces as our backup source to score goals. I am not talking about a specialist who can score a goal from free kick but instead, I am talking about players who can deliver great ball. From Beckham, Giggs, Nani and RVP/Rooney and now we have no one who can deliver great ball from set pieces.

Players like Mata and Rooney who used to be so good as a specialist in set pieces are now not as good as they used to be and also not consistent. Blind's corners were so inconsistent, Mkhy's corner were so awful with no pace at all, both Martial and Rashford's corner were awful too. I believe we need to sign a specialist of set pieces this summer and also can fit into our system and formation.
James Rodriguez?
 
So, other than Payet, who could we get to add this dimension?
Leandro Paredes.

What position would he ideally play?
Ruben Neves

He has an expansive passing range, which allows him to ping passes to the flanks with consummate ease. Very much like Alonso in that respect. However, and perhaps inconsequential at this moment of time, he doesn't yet consistently make those incisive probing passes between the lines. Additionally, he's fairly mobile and skilful which allows him to gracefully avoid players that come within close proximity, by performing an instinctive piece of trickery. At Real Madrid, particularly under the guidance under Jose, Alonso often played in a 4-2-3-1 with a defensive box to box midfielder alongside him, like Khedira, and Ozil as the no.10 ahead of him Similarly, we should be looking at a box to box midfielder with great defensive capabilities to compensate for Neves' defensive frailties, as well as the fact that Pogba looked more liberated with a midfield that had more defensive solidarity, than he had in his 1st season at Juve. Neves is no stranger to having a meteoric rise as exemplified by the fact he bypassed both the U19s, and B team, and he's the youngest Portuguese player to grace the Champions League, which means we would be in good stead of having a player with a high ceiling.


Johannes Geis

Amazing technique. He can put a formidable amount of pressure on the ball with little back lift. He's great at corners, direct and indirect free kicks, crosses in open play, picking out players situated on either flank, irrespective of where he is on the pitch, and shooting from distance. He's very similar to Alonso. Unfortunately, Geis is overly keen to hit those cross field diagonal balls which can make his style tedious as the game wares on. He's also immobile, and disconcertingly reckless in the tackle.

Jorginho

Jorginho, a deep lying playmaker in a similar mould of Pirlo. He's in many ways suspect defensively, and relies on Allan who has a particularly noteworthy workrate, aggressive, dogged determination and I remember when he played for Udinese, his interceptions and tackle rates were consistently in the top 2 alongside Vidal. Similarly, Pirlo relied on Vidal, Marchisio and Pogba to do his dirty work, or Gattuso and Seedorf at Ac Milan. Jorginho, compensates for this with his ability to instigate attacks from the back with his commendable composure when on the ball. Last season, Jorginho made 180 passes in one game, to my knowledge, that's only bettered by Alonso in recent years. He was a crucial cog for Maurizio Sarri, as Napoli averaged 59.3% possession, the most in Serie A (before they averaged the 5th most possesion). Only Barca, Bayern, PSG and Dortmund averaged more in the top 5 European leagues.

Leandro Paredes

Most comparable to Sergio Busquets. Great at making those incisive probing passes through the lines. Moreover, he's very mobile, which is important as he's comfortable in manoeuvring himself out of tight spaces, although at times he undoes his aesthetically pleasing work by getting ahead of himself, and going for the spectacular. For instance, there would be times when he's escaped the pressing of a player, then escapes another in quick succession and instead of releasing the ball, he would then attempt a raking 40 yard pass which goes out of play. If he can stay slightly limit his flamboyant nature, whilst concurrently, being productive then he can become the quite the player. His biggest weakness is that he can be susceptible to holding onto the ball for too long, much like Busquets who often invites pressure, although at times it can be a positive, as sometimes he buys a foul when limited passing opportunities arise.






Julian Weigl

Given that Carrick is my favourite Man Utd player, Weigl is my ideal option as he's more comparable to Carrick than the aforementioned.

My top 3 in order of preference would go something like this:
1. Weigl
2. Leandro Paredes
3. Ruben Neves

Subject to change of course, given you can never predict which unknown quantity may arise.

Furthermore, his acquisition would get the best out of Pogba and Herrera. https://www.redcafe.net/threads/herrera-at-holding.421649/page-10#post-19874396

And also to head them in (eg. a CB)?
Virgil Van Dijk
 
Leandro Paredes.


Furthermore, his acquisition would get the best out of Pogba and Herrera. https://www.redcafe.net/threads/herrera-at-holding.421649/page-10#post-19874396

Virgil Van Dijk

Paredes looks to be everything we need. The perfect Carrick replacement. The set pieces are a bonus which should not be taken lightly. A good set piece taker could easily add atleast 5-6 goals to our season. If we go in for him, there's a good chance we can sign him as well and wouldn't cost that much. I saw this interesting YouTube video analysis of him for anyone interested.

 
When you look at chances created from corners, free kicks and crosses this season, it's the same names that come up at the top of the list every time.

Corners (in order of most chances created/90 mins): Geis, Payet, Groß, Forsberg, Di Maria, Banega, Paredes, Sigurdsson, Boudebouz, Lemar, De Bruyne.

Freekicks: Geis, Trejo, Payet, James, Kroos, Boudebouz.

Crosses: Payet, Geis, Groß, Di Maria, Banega, Boudebouz, Dr Bruyne, Sigurdsson, Paredes, Forsberg, Lemar, Kroos, Trejo, James.


The caveat here is that obviously the heading ability of these players' teammates will have had some influence on the statistics.
 
Leandro Paredes.


Furthermore, his acquisition would get the best out of Pogba and Herrera. https://www.redcafe.net/threads/herrera-at-holding.421649/page-10#post-19874396

Virgil Van Dijk

Good call! Now that Fabinho looks headed to City, Nainggolan to AC or staying at Roma, Dier not being allowed to leave for a reasonable price and Weigl injured, maybe Paredes is the one to go for. Are Liverpool still after him?

Not so sure we will have enough money for that CB...what's Keane like? He's good aerially in his own box but what about the opposition boxm
 
When you look at chances created from corners, free kicks and crosses this season, it's the same names that come up at the top of the list every time.

Corners (in order of most chances created/90 mins): Geis, Payet, Groß, Forsberg, Di Maria, Banega, Paredes, Sigurdsson, Boudebouz, Lemar, De Bruyne.

Freekicks: Geis, Trejo, Payet, James, Kroos, Boudebouz.

Crosses: Payet, Geis, Groß, Di Maria, Banega, Boudebouz, Dr Bruyne, Sigurdsson, Paredes, Forsberg, Lemar, Kroos, Trejo, James.


The caveat here is that obviously the heading ability of these players' teammates will have had some influence on the statistics.



Based on these stats, what is stopping us from getting Johannes Geis?
 
Blind is a great crosser but he's not special at set pieces. Mata is for sure our best free kick taker and probably the best at taking corners.

I haven't seen anything from Herrera or Mkhitaryan that suggests they are better. Pogba is just not good at all.


Pogba could have scored three or four free kicks this season if my memory serves me well. He hit the bar each time.

I'll rate him as good as Mata.
 
We're getting worse in corners every season. Can't even remember when was the last time we were good at them. Failing to beat the first defender or over-kicking the ball over to no man's land is fecking criminal.

RVP was good at them. Unfortunately he was also the best player to be on the end of them as well..
 
I still think we need a set piece specialist, especially a good corner taker as well as an indirect free kick taker. Ideally a winger who can cross well. I know Rashford is improving at direct free kicks and long distance shots but his corners are dire. As are Blind's. Wasn't impressed by Young's or Shaw's either. If we are going to try and get so many corners we should at least have a good taker of them. And we have all seen how dangerous an indirect free kick can be if a quality ball is put in.

So have any of you changed your mind about the need for one?
 
Blind is not a great crosser. He has sent a few good crosses in but he is far from being consistent enough to label as good. The majority of the time his crosses are either too short or too long. At the moment I’d say Young is probably our most consistent crosser.

We definitely have a problem in this area and I feel like it’s not something they work on in training. At the moment I’d say we don’t work on taking or defending set pieces at all.