Sergio Reguilón

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InLevyITrust said:
Fair enough, I am still excited.
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Which you should be, its always exciting to get new players.

And for the rest of the guys you know its ok to both agree with the reasons why we didn't sign sign him because of the buy back clause but also be pissed off that we missed out on his signing because of this. No need to hammer the spurs fans for the situation.
 
Reynoldo said:
Which you should be, its always exciting to get new players.

And for the rest of the guys you know its ok to both agree with the reasons why we didn't sign sign him because of the buy back clause but also be pissed off that we missed out on his signing because of this. No need to hammer the spurs fans for the situation.
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Thanks man!
 
Spurs vs Real in the CL will now be inevitable. Oh wait...
 
unplayable said:

We were 100% right to walk away from this deal.
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Wow, that's a great deal for Madrid.

Get the money during financial crisis, park the player for couple of years till Marcelo retires. Buy back the player for almost same price if he is good enough.
 
Come on, would we all not laugh if Reguilón turned round and said "nah I am happy in London, feck you Perez", I can hope. Sure Mendy appears to be ahead of him anyway?
 
I don't see how this is such a great deal by Madrid.

If he becomes good enough for Madrid, they'll have basically loaned him out for 2 years at a cost of €10m.

If he doesn't become good enough (which is basically if he does not become close to world class), they'll have sold a player for €30m after a good season at Sevilla. That's a good deal, but not a great or a special one to me. Just market value imo.
 
So basically a no risk loan deal that allows Madrid to pump €30m into their financials.
 
roonster09 said:
Wow, that's a great deal for Madrid.

Get the money during financial crisis, park the player for couple of years till Marcelo retires. Buy back the player for almost same price if he is good enough.
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That appears in the first year of the deal, the ammount goes up in the second year and then the clause is dropped in the 3rd year.... from what I can tell.
 
InLevyITrust said:
That appears in the first year of the deal, the ammount goes up in the second year and then the clause is dropped in the 3rd year.... from what I can tell.
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Yeah, clause is for first 2 years. Dont think its mentioned that price goes up in second year.
 
In the current climate it makes more sense for Spurs to take on this deal.

I'm disappointed, but I can understand why Ole and the club would rather invest the playing time and/or money in a LB where there's not such a high chance of him leaving in a year or 2.
 
I think Spurs have got a good player here and he will have a big impact on their team however, Utd were absolutely correct not to bow to Madrid’s will. Ole wants players who want to be here and play for the shirt not those who given any opportunity would return to Madrid.
 
InLevyITrust said:
We get a promising LB and at worst make £5-10M in the process.
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Yeah the people trying to twist this into some sort of disastrous deal for Spurs are either not getting it or are trying to form some sort of straw man to cover up their own frustrations at missing out on a player they liked.
 
balaks said:
Yeah the people trying to twist this into some sort of disastrous deal for Spurs are either not getting it or are trying to form some sort of straw man to cover up their own frustrations at missing out on a player they liked.
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:lol:
 
Its a good deal for Madrid, a good one for Spurs, and also good for a club like ours not to capitulate to Madrid's clause demands. All round everyone wins.

Well actually not us, we've still signed feck all.
 
InLevyITrust said:
I must have imagined that sorry, the other clause is first refusal which is strange considering they have a buy back clause.
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Maybe buy back for first 2 years and first refusal as general clause for rest of the contract.
 
InLevyITrust said:
We get a promising LB and at worst make £5-10M in the process.
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If he establishes himself he could be hard to replace if they take him back though. Maybe after the season Spurs just had it makes sense, especially if he helps you get back in to the top 4. Although I don't think 1 young LB can make that much of an impact, personally.

I can't help but feel that if last season had gone better, you were in the UCL, and Poch was still there then Spurs wouldn't have touched this deal either.

It will be an interesting one to look back on in a couple of years, that's for sure.
 
I thought Levy was a good negotiator but this is Madrid totally railroading him with all the risk and none of the reward.

He feels.kike the kind of person who drags his heels to sell a player but gets easily seduced when dealing with big names like Jose or Real Madrid.
 
Crimson King said:
If he establishes himself he could be hard to replace if they take him back though. Maybe after the season Spurs just had it makes sense, especially if he helps you get back in to the top 4. Although I don't think 1 young LB can make that much of an impact, personally.

I can't help but feel that if last season had gone better, you were in the UCL, and Poch was still there then Spurs wouldn't have touched this deal either.

It will be an interesting one to look back on in a couple of years, that's for sure.
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Yeah I can agree with that.
 
It might sound and turn out to be good deal for Spurs but not for United. Glad we stayed away from the deal. Wouldn't bash Woodward and Co for backing out from this.
 
Perfect kind of buy for Jose since he's probably planning to be sacked before the two years are up anyway :lol:
 
They had a similar deal with Carvajal and Leverkusen. I'm skeptical about the United links because it's not the type of deal that wealthy clubs accept.
 
altodevil said:
But we don't need another LB, Shaw plays almost half our games each season on average.
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Shaw is a good Left back, and should be our first choice. Problem is his injury problems are very well documented. Williams is more a of a rightback and doesnt look natural at left back. Shaw is our only natural left back. We needed a backup/competition.

Stretender said:
Why are you crying over a Madrid reject? Move on. Am sure he is not better than some in our academy.
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That Madrid reject shutout Greenwood(our most talented academy player) for the whole match in EL semi final, and also assisted for their goal. Williams struggled the whole match in our left back in the same match.I appreciate the sentiment, but there is no left back in our academy ready to challenge Shaw right now. Williams is better suited at RB.

altodevil said:
Incredible seeing folk praise Woodward and co. in here. Okay, you may not have wanted a buy-back. Fair enough. But let's see if they have any alternatives lined-up. I bet they don't, and for that they receive zero credit. It has been clear for weeks what Madrid's stance was on the clause inclusion, in that time we can only pray they have scoped out another target.

But for now - no credit given to the club, quite the opposite really.
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Exactly.
Bilbo said:
The point is - nobody knows, and yet you've all been manipulated into losing your minds and hating our club over a player you probably never heard of 3 weeks ago. A player that wasn't on one single fans 'wishlist'.
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I think we will all agree that Romano is legit. He confirmed that United and Spurs were both in for the player. United rightly pulled out if the buy back clause is true.

The problem is not the buy back clause or the player or his quality. The problem is we do NEED a left back as backup/competion for Shaw, and its looking more and more likely we are not going to get one.

This is not a problem in isolation. The same thing is happening with Sancho and RW. We have positions we need to fill up, and instead of buying players who are attainable, and will improve our squad, we are chasing players and failing, and then NOT signing anyone.

Its basically the board absolving themselves of buying any players by saying "Look we tried. It just didnt happen". Another version of "No value in the market".

I support Man Utd. I support OGS and his vision, and for that he needs backing in the transfer market. Which he is not getting from the glazers, while the competition has significantly strengthened. We have not made a single signing for our first 11 so far.

Feck the glazers.
 
JPRouve said:
They had a similar deal with Carvajal and Leverkusen. I'm skeptical about the United links because it's not the type of deal that wealthy clubs accept.
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Yeah, sold for 5 million and signed for 6.5 million. Fantastic deal for Madrid.
 
This would have went against our strategy of buying players who want to be here and contribute to our long term success. The problem is the drop off in quality between Shaw and Williams. Brandon either needs to improve drastically or we're going to have serious problems on the left.
 
InLevyITrust said:
We get a promising LB and at worst make £5-10M in the process.
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That's actually your best case scenario:
1. Worst case scenario: spend 30m on a promising LB who doesn't fulfill his potential
2. Best case scenario: make 5-10m on a promising LB who does fulfill his potential after you developed him
Madrid clearly the winners in this deal.
 
JPRouve said:
They had a similar deal with Carvajal and Leverkusen. I'm skeptical about the United links because it's not the type of deal that wealthy clubs accept.
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I thought Morata was a better deal but it was similar too — sold for €20m and bought back for €30m.
 
balaks said:
Yeah the people trying to twist this into some sort of disastrous deal for Spurs are either not getting it or are trying to form some sort of straw man to cover up their own frustrations at missing out on a player they liked.
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I think there's definitely a lot of frustration, but that led to so many on here wanting this player more than his value to the team would have been. A lot of us can look at it less subjectively and try to see the bigger picture. Some responses to spurs fans obvious pleasure has gotten a bit 'salty', but I don't think it's invalid.

He's obviously a promising young LB, but I don't think he'd start ahead of Shaw when fit. Then again that's the problem with Shaw, we need some cover if he gets injured for an extended period and Williams doesn't kick on. Personally, I'd rather sign someone with promise who would want to stay long term, which isn't guaranteed with Reguilon.

I also don't think United should ever get involved with a deal like this. We might be a long way from winning the league again, but we're still the record title holders, for now, and although you have to adapt to the times you still need to make that mean something.

We've already been shafted a fair few times recently in our desperation to claw our way back. The more recent approach to transfers has been more successful and strategically long term, if not a little frustrating, but we'll only know if it's worth it if we continue to avoid deals like this. Especially if they're with Madrid.
 
Highfather_24 said:
Shaw is a good Left back, and should be our first choice. Problem is his injury problems are very well documented. Williams is more a of a rightback and doesnt look natural at left back. Shaw is our only natural left back. We needed a backup/competition.



That Madrid reject shutout Greenwood(our most talented academy player) for the whole match in EL semi final, and also assisted for their goal. Williams struggled the whole match in our left back in the same match.I appreciate the sentiment, but there is no left back in our academy ready to challenge Shaw right now. Williams is better suited at RB.



Exactly.

I think we will all agree that Romano is legit. He confirmed that United and Spurs were both in for the player. United rightly pulled out if the buy back clause is true.

The problem is not the buy back clause or the player or his quality. The problem is we do NEED a left back as backup/competion for Shaw, and its looking more and more likely we are not going to get one.

This is not a problem in isolation. The same thing is happening with Sancho and RW. We have positions we need to fill up, and instead of buying players who are attainable, and will improve our squad, we are chasing players and failing, and then NOT signing anyone.

Its basically the board absolving themselves of buying any players by saying "Look we tried. It just didnt happen". Another version of "No value in the market".

I support Man Utd. I support OGS and his vision, and for that he needs backing in the transfer market. Which he is not getting from the glazers, while the competition has significantly strengthened. We have not made a single signing for our first 11 so far.

Feck the glazers.
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The only thing I will say regarding the lack of activity is that I’d rather we buy the right player rather than a player for the sake of it.

This happened under previous managers and we are left with so much deadwood, some of which we can’t shift still.
 
I don't really see the logic in this for Spurs. I think he's a very good attacking left back, but they have almost no money to spend and quite a few issues to address, left back not being one of them. And to top it off, they cave in to Real's demands for a very low buy-back clause.

Shame we wasted time on this given he is desperate to retain any chance of playing for Real.

To the Telles thread.
 
Traub said:
That's actually your best case scenario:
1. Worst case scenario: spend 30m on a promising LB who doesn't fulfill his potential
2. Best case scenario: make 5-10m on a promising LB who does fulfill his potential after you developed him
Madrid clearly the winners in this deal.
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That's the case with any transfer, the buy back is only active for 2 seasons, its not like we spent a long time developing him? Its basically a possible loan deal for 2 seasons and a full transfer after that. RM have Mendy at LB as back up to Marcelo, nothign set in stone, so I am just going to enjoy the season and see how we go.
 
Highfather_24 said:
That Madrid reject shutout Greenwood(our most talented academy player) for the whole match in EL semi final, and also assisted for their goal. Williams struggled the whole match in our left back in the same match.I appreciate the sentiment, but there is no left back in our academy ready to challenge Shaw right now. Williams is better suited at RB.
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That never happened. If anything we exploited the space left behind him a good few times.

I would have liked him as an option over Williams, but yeah never really thought we’d go for him and especially not with a buy back clause. Buy back clauses are small time for clubs that are desperate.

Imagine how it will feel in 2 years time, if he does brilliantly for Spurs then Madrid just take him off their hands for a portion of what he could be worth.
 
I would have liked Reguilon but feck that deal, if he starts pulling up trees Madrid just snatch him back if he’s crap you’re stuck with him. Terrible deal for Tottenham, small time club mentality that..
 
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