Selling Fred was a mistake

Of course it was a mistake but this fanbase hated Fred too much to have the majority admit that. He's a far better player than Mctominay.

"We're not missing him, we're missing his energy"

Yeah, good luck replacing his energy.
 
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We’ll keep this thread until Amrabat is fit to play. I think Amrabat will make us forget Fred’s energy. Liked fred, but I think we have a better player now
 
united for life said:
We’ll keep this thread until Amrabat is fit to play. I think Amrabat will make us forget Fred’s energy. Liked fred, but I think we have a better player now
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That's not the point. I think people expected both Fred and McTominay to leave, but McTominay is the one who should have left first and foremost if we could only sacrifice one.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
No it wasn't. We have to accept that this only the start of what's to come. We need to completely get fecked in order to build from the scratch. Keeping Fred would only delay the inevitable.
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Can you talk me through this “things need to get worse before they can improve” thing. I’m not sure I get it at all?
 
The fact that he ended up in Turkey at a price of 8M just about says it all. That is his level and that is his value and the fact that he will be able to tell his grandchildren that he once played for Manchester United and for a long period was part of their starting eleven is already a disgrace.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
That's not the point. I think people expected both Fred and McTominay to leave, but McTominay is the one who should have left first and foremost if we could only sacrifice one.
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fair point. We’ll probably end up releasing him on a free when his contract expires. This is what we do
 
He was suppose to be the problem but whats changed? He was just a scapegoat but clearly the issues were much deeper than just apportioning blame.
 
If we were going to keep one of Fred and McTominay as a Cup or injury crisis option, I think it’s obvious Fred had shown more in recent seasons. McTominay would’ve fetched a far higher fee, but I suppose we didn’t want to sell to our mid table rivals. :rolleyes:

Obviously neither are good enough to play often or when there are almost any other options, but Fred would have brought a lot more energy to the team today than McTominay, whose play style resembles a training cone for United. Ten Hag takes a lot of blame for not hooking him sooner when it was obvious at halftime he wasn’t involved. A central midfielder with fewer than 10 touches coming back out for the second half is incredible.
 
If one or the other of McFred were to be sold, you can count on United to have gotten it wrong.
 
Right now for the first few games of the season, selling Fred was a mistake.

However we're saying that while Mount is injured and is a only a couple of games into his Utd career, Mainoo is injured and Amrabat is injured. Hopefully at least one (preferably more) will step up and take that role while being better.
 
As much as I like Fred his inconsistency made him such an unreliable player, and someone that needed to be moved on. The problem is he wasn't the only one and others are still at the club.

Fingers crossed Amrabat is good enough.
 
It was a mistake because we’re now relying on Mctominay who it made much more sense to sell both from a financial and football perspective. Getting stuck with DVB and Mctominay but selling Fred wasn’t beneficial.
 
Litch said:
He was suppose to be the problem but whats changed? He was just a scapegoat but clearly the issues were much deeper than just apportioning blame.
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He was one of the problems without question
 
Jesus Christ if people are wishing we still had Fred times must be bad. He was good now and then, but most of the time he was absolutely atrocious.
Genuinely lurched from either a 7/10 to a 3/10 if you were being generous.
 
Litch said:
He was suppose to be the problem but whats changed? He was just a scapegoat but clearly the issues were much deeper than just apportioning blame.
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Absolutely nobody said he was the problem.
 
Moving on wasn't a mistake. We just didn't adequately replace Fred.
 
Correct. He’s a better player than Mount.
 
No. I liked him but he was one of many players that needed to be moved on.
 
Woodzy said:
No, Fred was shit.

Not replacing him with better players was a mistake. We also tried to sell McTominay
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That's the key. I don't mind selling players if there's someone better to come in and replace them.

Don't sell a player and have no one lined up to come in.

But the club is a basket case so that's what happens.
 
Fred was our best midfielder out of possession. Which means in a match like against Brighton he will be the best midfielder for 57% of the match. ETH always mentions the lack of effort and running but sells the best runner and presser we had.

Mount and Eriksen are worse versions of Bruno. Their primary role should be rotation options with him. They’re not a replacement for Fred’s role.
 
Idxomer said:
Our only high-energy number 8 shouldn't have been sold and definitely not while keeping the likes of McTominay.

The hope is Hannibal could replace him but today's involvement seems more like desperation than a planned move.
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Amrabat and Mount were the replacements. They didn't play today. I knew this thread would come at some point this season though
 
So we're saying selling Fred was a mistake but with only 12 months of his deal left and a pathetically low transfer value only Fenerbache were in for him.

Yeah, defo top quality.
 
No it was not. Fred was one of a number of rubbish-to-average players that we need to shift.
 
Cassidy said:
So you think hes better than Mount? And Amrabat? And Mainoo?
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I think he offers something different to all of them and it was a mistake selling him without an actual alternative. Turning Mount into an 8 is never gonna work, it's not his position. Amrabat is a sitting midfielder and Mainoo is just a kid despite his obvious talent.
 
Idxomer said:
Our only high-energy number 8 shouldn't have been sold and definitely not while keeping the likes of McTominay.

The hope is Hannibal could replace him but today's involvement seems more like desperation than a planned move.
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Ah it's gonna be one of those days...

Fred was shit, and we have many other shit players still. It would have been dumb to expect us to challenge this year.
 
Idxomer said:
I think he offers something different to all of them and it was a mistake selling him without an actual alternative. Turning Mount into an 8 is never gonna work, it's not his position. Amrabat is a sitting midfielder and Mainoo is just a kid despite his obvious talent.
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Mount has played 8 plenty. Out wide where he was pushed by Tuchel is actually not his position.

Fred was in the final 12 months of his contract and also he was a bit shit
 
Not a mistake if you buy better or potential that needs game time but it's a bit questionable if you sell him for a small fee and you don't do that.

I'd argue we may fall into the latter because while we brought in Mount and Amrabat they don't have similar skills and I am not convinced a number of options are currently better than Fred. I'm not even sure if Mount will be better. Is McTominay better than Fred? It might have been better to sell others rather than selling your one high energy pressing machine.

That said Fred was nearing his contract end so a decision needed to be made so it's hard to say it's a big mistake. I think the mistake really was buying Mount as that pissed much needed money up the wall and didn't really address anything directly.
 
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