Sekou Kone

Bwuk said:
I think it’s a great move for our coaches to learn different languages to support youth players.
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Totally agree, considering the french and african pools might become more of an option.

Seems insular to not see it as beneficial until only now.
 
Mingus said:
Interesting that the club are so invested in him that 3 U21 coaches are learning French so they can get their instructions across better.

He must be highly regarded.
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I think it's good that they're learning french, I think there's rumors of us picking up a french youth striker so I'm sure it'll only help us in recruiting around the world. Honestly it should almost be a requirement for the kind of players we're looking for. Spanish and Portuguese should be learned too, maybe not be fluent but at least enough to get ideas across
 
I have never used this line before on a forum but it would be good if he could bulk up.
 
sleepehead said:
I think it's good that they're learning french, I think there's rumors of us picking up a french youth striker so I'm sure it'll only help us in recruiting around the world. Honestly it should almost be a requirement for the kind of players we're looking for. Spanish and Portuguese should be learned too, maybe not be fluent but at least enough to get ideas across
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Perhaps we should just hire a translator!
 
Robbo* said:
Agree on your last point. There seems to be a number of strong young players that fit into the midfield square in Amorim’s system - Mainoo, Collyer, Kone, Thwaites, Moorhouse, Fletcher, Fletcher, Gore, Ibragimov, Lacey and others - and it will be interesting to see which get and then take their chance.
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Exactly the names that I was thinking about too that you’ve mentioned. What I like most about the list though is that there all different types of player who can then potentially play together. Hopefully they take any chances given. Who do you see maybe getting/earned a chance?
 
Robbo* said:
Agree on your last point. There seems to be a number of strong young players that fit into the midfield square in Amorim’s system - Mainoo, Collyer, Kone, Thwaites, Moorhouse, Fletcher, Fletcher, Gore, Ibragimov, Lacey and others - and it will be interesting to see which get and then take their chance.
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Sounds like Blackburn are moving for Gore.
 
As with all youngsters, it’s a game of patience to see how he will develop. Players at that age can come along enormously in 12 months and it will be interesting to see where he is in a year’s time. As it stands he’s miles away from being ready, but you see a lot of the raw talent that tells you he can eventually get there.

For perspective, James Garner looked significantly better and more advanced than anything I’ve seen from Kone, prior to making his first team debut. It’s just so hard to tell how any of these players will really kick on.
 
Borninthe80ts said:
Exactly the names that I was thinking about too that you’ve mentioned. What I like most about the list though is that there all different types of player who can then potentially play together. Hopefully they take any chances given. Who do you see maybe getting/earned a chance?
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As the subsequent post to mine says, it looks like Gore is leaving - largely down to injuries and lack of playing time that he hasn’t had more of a chance.

So hard to say with the rest as it’s often a question of whether someone is physically ready rather than technically capable or exciting, which is why Collyer jumped ahead of some of the others. Even Mainoo, who’s evidently capable of handling first team football - has found some of the physical demands difficult this season.

Would love to see Kone and Ibragimov given chances where possible next season and perhaps Thwaites and Lacey the season after. Fletcher brothers are harder to pin down and likely need another season in 21s and then a loan. What do you think?
 
Robbo* said:
Agree on your last point. There seems to be a number of strong young players that fit into the midfield square in Amorim’s system - Mainoo, Collyer, Kone, Thwaites, Moorhouse, Fletcher, Fletcher, Gore, Ibragimov, Lacey and others - and it will be interesting to see which get and then take their chance.
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Not sure how long you have been following United, but I will give you a bit of advice, bar Mainoo, who is already a first team player, I would be shocked if more than two of these guys are playing first team football at United in 5 years. Maybe this is something INEOS will change but since the class of 92 it's essentially a myth that our academy produces top talent. Most of our academy grads end up in the lower leagues or journeyman jumping from bottom club to bottom club.

I still fall for it, I have high hopes for Ibragimov, but reality tells me that it's unfounded, he reminds a little of Hanson Aaron, whom a couple years ago a lot of people thought would be the next breakout star from the academy and now he's about to get relegated from the Danish league with zero goal contributions.
 
Utterly De Ligt'd said:
Not sure how long you have been following United, but I will give you a bit of advice, bar Mainoo, who is already a first team player, I would be shocked if more than two of these guys are playing first team football at United in 5 years. Maybe this is something INEOS will change but since the class of 92 it's essentially a myth that our academy produces top talent. Most of our academy grads end up in the lower leagues or journeyman jumping from bottom club to bottom club.

I still fall for it, I have high hopes for Ibragimov, but reality tells me that it's unfounded, he reminds a little of Hanson Aaron, whom a couple years ago a lot of people thought would be the next breakout star from the academy and now he's about to get relegated from the Danish league with zero goal contributions.
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Rashford, Greenwood, Welbeck, Mainoo, Ravel Morrison are quality.

We probably produce one quality academy graduate every 3 or 4 years.
 
simonhch said:
As with all youngsters, it’s a game of patience to see how he will develop. Players at that age can come along enormously in 12 months and it will be interesting to see where he is in a year’s time. As it stands he’s miles away from being ready, but you see a lot of the raw talent that tells you he can eventually get there.

For perspective, James Garner looked significantly better and more advanced than anything I’ve seen from Kone, prior to making his first team debut. It’s just so hard to tell how any of these players will really kick on.
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It is really is. From Tunnicliffe to Petrucci to Ben Pearson to Garner there have been tons who have shown the promise in the youth teams but ultimately failed to make their mark in the senior football. Whereas unheralded Scotty McT made close to 200 appearances for us and has played a significant role in Napoli's impending Serie A win. (*Fingers crossed* really hope they win for Scotty's sake).

I really like the look of the kid but it takes a lot more to make the grade in senior football than just on the ball skills.
 
Robbo* said:
As the subsequent post to mine says, it looks like Gore is leaving - largely down to injuries and lack of playing time that he hasn’t had more of a chance.

So hard to say with the rest as it’s often a question of whether someone is physically ready rather than technically capable or exciting, which is why Collyer jumped ahead of some of the others. Even Mainoo, who’s evidently capable of handling first team football - has found some of the physical demands difficult this season.

Would love to see Kone and Ibragimov given chances where possible next season and perhaps Thwaites and Lacey the season after. Fletcher brothers are harder to pin down and likely need another season in 21s and then a loan. What do you think?
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It does seem like Gore is going and for me he would have been the one based on most variables. Hoping the clean break if it is one, will benefit him in the long term.

I actually rate Collyer and I think sometimes these attributes are highlighted over some of his more technical and tactical qualities which could benefit the team if developed. In relation to Mainoo I do think he has struggled but I’m not worried. Once the team settles I’m sure he will. Including his main position.

It’s always interesting to see other regular youth team viewers thoughts on who they rate. Most of the smaller prospects as you say aren’t necessarily physically ready but there technical ability is exciting. I would say Thwaites is the most efficient in the best possible way. Kamason has probably had the most consistent development over the last year. I’ll also throw in Devaney as I think his tactically astute.

As ever though it’s ultimately a guessing game as there’s so much that will change between now and July but still fun to hope/speculate.
 
Utterly De Ligt'd said:
Not sure how long you have been following United, but I will give you a bit of advice, bar Mainoo, who is already a first team player, I would be shocked if more than two of these guys are playing first team football at United in 5 years. Maybe this is something INEOS will change but since the class of 92 it's essentially a myth that our academy produces top talent. Most of our academy grads end up in the lower leagues or journeyman jumping from bottom club to bottom club.

I still fall for it, I have high hopes for Ibragimov, but reality tells me that it's unfounded, he reminds a little of Hanson Aaron, whom a couple years ago a lot of people thought would be the next breakout star from the academy and now he's about to get relegated from the Danish league with zero goal contributions.
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Yes the reality is always a bit different isn’t it, but I like to remain optimistic and it’s always enjoyable watching talented young players trying to find a way in..
 
I really want Moorhouse to make it. He could become our Morgan Rogers in a few years.
 
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