Originally posted by giggzy:
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yet, he was excellent in 99, CL!! i think teams found him and our style out, hence we changed to a 4-5-1!
i agree, his short passing isn't great, still think he can go a very good job, especially in the PL.. but he has to stop having dellusions of grandeur..and just be content, in knowing that he's the worlds best crosser and not a playmaker...</strong><hr></blockquote>
can't disagree too much there...how boring.
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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And I wonder if 4-5-1 is so good in Europe why no other big club is using it at this moment.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Do Real Madrid count as a big club because they use it a fair bit?
For example in Rome recently to devestating effect.
Originally posted by Murt:
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Do Real Madrid count as a big club because they use it a fair bit?
For example in Rome recently to devestating effect.
If Raul and Ronaldo are both fit will they leave one of them out?
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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If Raul and Ronaldo are both fit will they leave one of them out?</strong><hr></blockquote>
they'll leave out morientes.
raul and ronnie are completed different types of forwards.
do you watch football?
Originally posted by giggzy:
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well thats what the 4-5-1 system allows.
the problem is that we don't have a cantona type player to make it work as well as it should be working...
aimar or ronaldhino would be perfect for that role.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That should be our first priorty when we go to strengthen our squad next time.
But at present, Scholes is the way to go in midfield in EPL. We just can't scrafice him for Veron, just like Real won't play Zidane as a striker in order to accomodate, say, Mcmanamann
Originally posted by uranushk1:
<strong>just like Real won't play Zidane as a striker in order to accomodate, say, Mcmanamann
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
I cant believe hes still at Real and one their highest paid players, alls he ever does is come on as a sub and run around like a headless chicken.
Originally posted by Murt:
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
I cant believe hes still at Real and one their highest paid players, alls he ever does is come on as a sub and run around like a headless chicken.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Real simply has too much money to spend
Honestly, why is there a need for this thread at all.
It's not as if there is not another mountain of threads dealing with this.
I'm trying to contain myself, but I'm trying, no, I cannot.
mazie, you're a cnut!!!!!!
I bet it's another incarnation of Giggzy anyway. <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />
It's not as if there is not another mountain of threads dealing with this.
I'm trying to contain myself, but I'm trying, no, I cannot.
mazie, you're a cnut!!!!!!
I bet it's another incarnation of Giggzy anyway. <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>Honestly, why is there a need for this thread at all.
It's not as if there is not another mountain of threads dealing with this.
I'm trying to contain myself, but I'm trying, no, I cannot.
mazie, you're a cnut!!!!!!
I bet it's another incarnation of Giggzy anyway. <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Cool it Weaste, these type of thread will always exists
well its like this keep 4-4-2 and play scholes in the middle and play like we did today?
or
play 4-4-1-1 and play scholes in hole let his forum dip[as well as the teams]thus playing like we have in recent weeks,
to be honest i think all or problems have came since we started 4-4-1-1 and buying veron,
scholes has to stay in the middle,epl and in europe,let the team settle in a formation.then we will start to see better performances,swapping and changing formation is no good,we have not been found out,if that was thr case why isnt real madrid found out,they play the same way week in week,and won euro cup over and over,
it all goes down to veron or scholes?
vote now,
i go for scholes
or
play 4-4-1-1 and play scholes in hole let his forum dip[as well as the teams]thus playing like we have in recent weeks,
to be honest i think all or problems have came since we started 4-4-1-1 and buying veron,
scholes has to stay in the middle,epl and in europe,let the team settle in a formation.then we will start to see better performances,swapping and changing formation is no good,we have not been found out,if that was thr case why isnt real madrid found out,they play the same way week in week,and won euro cup over and over,
it all goes down to veron or scholes?
vote now,
i go for scholes
Originally posted by mazie:
<strong>it all goes down to veron or scholes?
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FFS, this comparison have been done ages ago and yet you have to bring it up again? <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
4-4-1-1 or 4-5-1, whatever you want to call it is a 4-4-2! It's not table football when they are all in lines connected to poles and cant move.
When will people understand this? We have played 4-4-1-1 many times before.
Oh ah, Cantona.
People forget this.
When will people understand this? We have played 4-4-1-1 many times before.
Oh ah, Cantona.
People forget this.
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>4-4-1-1 or 4-5-1, whatever you want to call it is a 4-4-2! It's not table football when they are all in lines connected to poles and cant move.
When will people understand this? We have played 4-4-1-1 many times before.
Oh ah, Cantona.
People forget this.
But we haven't got Eric now.
It might work sometimes with Scholes - but he proved where he plays best yesterday.
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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But we haven't got Eric now.
It might work sometimes with Scholes - but he proved where he plays best yesterday.</strong><hr></blockquote>
He has proved it a dozen times now, not only yesterday.
Yet someone is so stubborn that even if he proves it 100 times more, they would still think that he is not as good as Veron.
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Yet someone is so stubborn that even if he proves it 100 times more, they would still think that he is not as good as Veron.
They are two totally different types of player. You cannot compare them.
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>4-4-1-1 or 4-5-1, whatever you want to call it is a 4-4-2! It's not table football when they are all in lines connected to poles and cant move.
When will people understand this? We have played 4-4-1-1 many times before.
Oh ah, Cantona.
People forget this.
the main difference between the 4-4-1-1 of Cantona's time and now is that the wings don't play out wide anymore.
Ole played out wide against Newcastle and we looked very very strong on the wings. can you imagine if becks kept out? and even giggs kept outside? it'll be smashin IMO.
i have no problem with 4-4-1-1 persay, but i do have problems with our players playing out of position in this new 4-4-1-1.
Least to least i'd like to see the old 4-4-1-1 back in use. in the EPL atleast.
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Why not? Tell me one thing Veron can do while Scholes can't.</strong><hr></blockquote>
They can both do everything, but are each better than the other at certain things.
Verón is a butterfly, Scholes is a bee.
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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They can both do everything, but are each better than the other at certain things.
Verón is a butterfly, Scholes is a bee.
So do you want someone in midfield who floats or stings?
There's plenty of mileage on the subject of this chaps game
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