Sebastian Coates

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We've been strongly linked with this lad. Just wondered if anyone on here has seen him play on a regular basis at club level - He looked very good at The Copa America. But I remember Phil Babb looking world class for Ireland in the 1994 World Cup.

We've never really looked comfortable at the back ever since Sami Hyypia left us a couple of seasons back. So is it worth a gamble on this big lad (only 20) ?. Or should we play safe & go for Scott Dann or Gary Cahill ?
 
You should play it safe and buy Cahill or Dann.
 
Read an article last night saying he was very eager to move, but stated he was less keen on moving to a team/league, where the season had already started.

Angling for a move to a Spanish club?

Young player with plenty of potential(21 in a month and a bit), and he looks big and strong, not too sure he looked that mobile in the couple of matches I watched him in. Premier league would probably suit him.
 
Read an article last night saying he was very eager to move, but stated he was less keen on moving to a team/league, where the season had already started.

Angling for a move to a Spanish club?

Young player with plenty of potential(21 in a month and a bit), and he looks big and strong, not too sure he looked that mobile in the couple of matches I watched him in. Premier league would definitely suit him.


Liverpool favourites to lure Sebastian Coates ahead of Manchester City - Telegraph

The Telegraph is one of a few sources that say he's probably on his way to Anfield. I quite fancied the idea of Dann or Cahill joining us, as they've proven that they can cut it in The Premiership. From what 'little' I've seen of Coates, he looks like he could develop into a great player. But it's going to be a big gamble, especially in an area that needs addressing pretty quickly for us.
 
Norwegian Scout has this to say about him on twitter

karlsentk Tor-Kristian Karlsen
personal opinion: not sure coates would've looked quite as good next to another (less dominating) cb (godin, victorino). lugano was inspired
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general consensus among scouts at copa america: overvalued at 12 million euros (going rate at the time), worth a "punt" ('arry) at maybe 3-4
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lots of scouts from big european clubs have watched him over the past 2-3 years without being totally convinced (i agree)
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but tends to drop deep in order to compensate for lack of pace and mobilty (a strategy that won't work in england!)
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coates: calm style, makes good decisions but not quite as physical or dominating as his 195 cm would suggest. ok on the ball
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lugano the more aggressive cb who won the headers, anticipated, dominated, tackled - coates "sweeped" up around the captain
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smart centre-back, good positioning sense and fine game reading skills. had the luxury of playing next to lugano at copa america
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first thing i noticed: his amusing running style, hard to describe - looks like he's about to take a seat
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followed him since sudamericano in 2009 - then saw him world youth championship same year + copa america this summer
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a few tweets about sebastian coates (linked with liverpool and
 
This was the quote:

"Certain leagues have already commenced and to go and play at a club that has already started could be a disadvantage."

It might be him just randomly spouting shit, but with Suarez already there, and the fee not that big, it might indeed be a done deal.
 
Norwegian Scout has this to say about him on twitter

Whereas, Tim Sturridge South American expert for the Independent says this:

Sebastian Coates has been signed, sealed and delivered to Anfield. For a fee of less than half the price of Phil Jones the Merseysiders have bagged themselves twice the player.



Uruguayan heavyweights Nacional received a fax this morning from Liverpool meeting their £7m valuation of the centre-back. The deal concludes a month of intense transfer speculation surrounding the 2011 Copa America Young Player of the Tournament.



Nacional said all along that it would take an “historic” fee to convince them to part ways with the defender who stands just a few blond locks short of six foot six. The fee certainly smashes the previous Uruguayan record of £3.5m to take Nicolás Lodeiro from Nacional to Ajax but still represents a real coup for Liverpool.



On the downside for Nacional they will receive just over half of the cash after selling a portion of Coates’ rights for £100,000 to a third-party investment group while the player was still a trainee.



Liverpool were not the first club to wade in with a concrete offer for 20-year-old. FC Dnipro actually bidded well over the asking price but the player refused a move to the Ukraine.



Manchester City were also sniffing around and even had top Uruguayan businessman Francisco "Paco" Casal doing their bidding for them. Following an injury to Mamadou Sakho it was also reported that Paris Saint-Germain were weighing up a move for El Flaco Coates.



With Coates’ agent Matias Pittini bombarded with a host of enquires from high profile clubs all over Europe credit must be given to Liverpool for stepping up their chase and securing the signature. Just as Luis Suárez convinced Lodeiro to come to Ajax it appears the striker has once again used his significant influence within Uruguay to get Coates to Anfield.



Enough about the off-the-field shenanigans, what exactly has this kid got in his locker? Let’s get the tired clichés out the way now; dominant in the air at both ends of the pitch, tends to stay on his feet but equally adapt at a last gasp lunge, great physicality to usher attackers off the ball, can walk the ball out of defence or ping a long pass off his right boot and he’s definitely not afraid to risk a booking.



Coates joined the Nacional academy at 11-years-old and broke into the first team seven years later. Before making his bow with Nacional the defender helped Uruguay finish third at the 2009 South American under-20 Championships.



Since making his debut for Nacional against Bella Vista on 18 April 2009 the Uruguayan has started every single game for the club, suspensions and national team duty withstanding. Despite only playing three months of the 2008/09 campaign his performances in the title winning team as well as on a run to the semi-finals of the Copa Libertadores saw Coates named the 2008/09 Uruguayan Championship Revelation of the Season.



In the close season Coates traveled to Egypt to play at the under-20 World Cup where Uruguay went unbeaten in a group containing eventual champions Ghana. Below Uruguay and Ghana in the group came Uzbekistan and then England.



Although Nacional missed out on the league title the following year Coates’ stock continued to rise. His performance in Buenos Aires against Banfield in the Copa Libertadores was a joy to behold. Coates dictated the play at both ends of the pitch as he scored the opener and set up the second in the 2-0 win over the reigning Argentinian league champions.



Coates then missed out on a trip to South Africa despite being called up to Uruguay’s senior squad for their crucial play-off double header against Costa Rica. The defender would have to wait another year before winning his first cap. His international debut came in a friendly against Estonia just a week shy of the 2011 Copa America.



With injuries dogging both Diego Godín and Mauricio Victorino the door was left ajar for Coates to partner Diego Lugano in the heart of defence at the continental competition. A string of fine displays heralded the arrival of the latest uncompromising Uruguayan centre-back, a fighter for sure and a winner to boot.



Neymar’s name was already etched onto the Young Player of the Tournament award before a ball was even kicked in Argentina, but then Coates kicked Neymar into touch. The achievement may have paled into insignificance against winning Uruguay’s 15th Copa America title but the Young Player award seems now to have tipped the balance for Coates getting a work permit.



There’s been a touch of the Cesc Fabregas and Luka Modric about Coates’ inevitable transfer away from Parque Central but the Nacional youth product remained quiet and respectful throughout. He even answered his manager’s plea to play in the game against Defensor Sporting at the weekend despite still looking jaded following his Copa America exploits.



With this in mind it’s unlikely Kenny Dalglish will want to throw Coates into the fray immediately. Judging by some of Coates’ monstrous performances in el Clásico del fútbol uruguayo against Peñarol the Merseyside Derby seems the right time for Liverpool fans to judge what sort of player they have on their hands.



A week after the Everton game Coates will celebrate his 21st birthday, what a truly fantastic bit of business from the Red Men.



Sebastian Coates’ CV:

2011 Copa America winner

2011 Copa America Young Player of the Tournament

2010/11, 2008/09 Uruguayan Championship winner

2010/11 Uruguayan Championship Player of the Season

2010/11, 2009/10 Uruguayan Championship Defender of the Season

2008/09 Uruguayan Championship Revelation of the Season
 
Well let's wait and watch then :D

Twice the player of Phil Jones, I'm looking forward to it :lol:
 
He's very good and if Liverpool do sign him they've improved their defence. Would be surprised if other teams didnt come in for him instead
 
Sebastian Coates has been signed, sealed and delivered to Anfield. For a fee of less than half the price of Phil Jones the Merseysiders have bagged themselves twice the player.

Jesus christ...

Still, looked a good player. Good enough to make his way into the starting line-up even at such a young age before the season's over, I reckon.
 
So how do you pronounce it? Like 'coats'? Co-Tez? Ko-wa-tez?
 
It's either Co-ah-tez or Co-ah-chez, apparently it's the latter but I'm sticking with the former.
 
Twice the player of Phil Jones, I'm looking forward to it :lol:

Yeah, I knew that was the bit you'd all concentrate on and considered takign it out but thought "what the hell"

Certainly a bit of sensationalist opening paragraph but the stuff that follows makes interesting reading.

As you say, let's wait and see. For the reported £7m it seems a risk worth taking.
 
Yeah, I knew that was the bit you'd all concentrate on and considered takign it out but thought "what the hell"

Certainly a bit of sensationalist opening paragraph but the stuff that follows makes interesting reading.

As you say, let's wait and see. For the reported £7m it seems a risk worth taking.

With headline like that, it was bound to get reactions tbh.

Anyway he certainly looked good in the Copa America but coping in the Premier League is a different thing altogether. Are you guys selling Agger or is Skrtel shit?
 
Anyway he certainly looked good in the Copa America but coping in the Premier League is a different thing altogether. Are you guys selling Agger or is Skrtel shit?

We sold Kyrgiakos instead.

Skretl was shit, but he looked like a player again once clarke came in. Happy with him as 4th choice. Bit of a tumble for him from playing every minute in the league last season though!

Agger has to stay. We've conceded 1 goal in the last 10 games he played and 16 in the last 15 he hasn't. He's the main man there now. All the jitters in the backfour go away when he plays.
 
Well let's wait and watch then :D

Twice the player of Phil Jones, I'm looking forward to it :lol:

I got told by some Liverpool fans (after Jones rejected them) that Martin Kelly was twice the player of Phil Jones. I'm looking forward to their reactions on Coats.
 
Good to hear you've got the inside track on who did and didn't contact Ajax throughout that period of time. You should get a job for the News of The World.

lol. Did you really go there for a transfer argument you weren't even that bothered by?

Ajax were annoyingly public about every little development in the saga. It would be very surprising if they didn't publicise any other bids, especially as it would help jack up the price by adding pressure to our negotiation.
 
Dalglish is only buying this lad so that every time Liverpool are behind he can say "I'll get my Coates".



*woooooooooooooooooooooosssshhhhhhhsilence*
 
If Barca and Real who both have extensive scouting networks have passed on him...and La Liga which basically uses S. America to farm talent has passed on him then chances are he's not AS good as some would claim.

Might not be a bad player for a reasonable amount...

but 10 million. hehe...only Liverpool or City would pay that sort of money.
 
If Barca and Real who both have extensive scouting networks have passed on him...and La Liga which basically uses S. America to farm talent has passed on him then chances are he's not AS good as some would claim.

Might not be a bad player for a reasonable amount...

but 10 million. hehe...only Liverpool or City would pay that sort of money.

By that logic, Hernandez, the Da Silvas and co are not up to much either...

Real and Barca's scouting networks extend to the Balon D'or list and not much further, they concentrate on the megastar, established signings whilst United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Bayern et al focus on finding and nurturing potential of future class acts.

£10m for a Copa America player of the tournement is hardly crazy stuff when players of similar age and potential are going for much more these days, see Jones, Savic, Luiz etc.
 
Savic went for £6m did he not? And can you really say he has similar levels of potential to Jones or Luiz?
 
By that logic, Hernandez, the Da Silvas and co are not up to much either...

Real and Barca's scouting networks extend to the Balon D'or list and not much further, they concentrate on the megastar, established signings whilst United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Bayern et al focus on finding and nurturing potential of future class acts.

£10m for a Copa America player of the tournement is hardly crazy stuff when players of similar age and potential are going for much more these days, see Jones, Savic, Luiz etc.

That's not really true.

Amusingly, that Sturtridge article has now removed the "twice the player Jones is line". Presumably he realised it made him look like a bit of an imbecile.
 
Savic went for £6m did he not? And can you really say he has similar levels of potential to Jones or Luiz?

Who's to say really? He could have Anderson levels of potential which never get fulfilled or he could have Rooney potential where he is a star immediately. Potential, Schmotential, it's all a load of bollocks. It's just a fancy word used instead of just taking a gamble on saying whether a player is going to be any good or not. It's a fall back for those unwilling to stick their neck on the line.

Greatest. Signing. Ever.

Dalglish pulls another one over SAF.

SAF is probably cursing himself for choosing Jones over... what is his name again?

Oh FFS get over yourself. Is it not possible to discuss the merits of a player without turning it into petty rivalry. The journalist used that line for dramtic effect and it obviously worked. I have no idea whatsoever what football team he supports.

Made him look like a bitter Liverpool fan. No doubt he'd be praising Jones had he signed for Liverpool.
No doubt. :boring:
 
Never seen him play, can't be worse than Carragher and Skretl though.
 
Who's to say really? He could have Anderson levels of potential which never get fulfilled or he could have Rooney potential where he is a star immediately. Potential, Schmotential, it's all a load of bollocks. It's just a fancy word used instead of just taking a gamble on saying whether a player is going to be any good or not. It's a fall back for those unwilling to stick their neck on the line.

It's something that Sir Alex has based his entire philosophy around - bollocks it is not. Something tells me he doesn't see it as just a simple fall back, he believes it's a genuine quality that you can identify in players and it's utterly key:

“I had a player once who said to me that Rooney and Ronaldo weren’t good enough and he was not prepared to wait until they were good enough. But that’s the trouble with potential. People don’t identify potential. They’re very poor at it.

I’ve identified all my life the potential in young people. I know potential. I know how to develop and have faith in it. And young people surprise you when given the opportunity. That’s what this club is all about.”