Scott McTominay | Transfer discussion not performance discussion

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He’d be going there as a utility backup in an easier league. It kind of makes sense if you squint at it for long enough. It wouldn’t be a good move for the player though. He’ll play even less than he does here. Also what kind of a fee are Bayern going to cough up for a backup? We need some team that see him as a starter to pay full whack!
 
I said elsewhere but if there's truth to that, makes you wonder what we are missing with him if Moyes and Tuchel rate him. Maybe he's better than Rice actually ?

McTominay is very big and athletic but lacks the processing speed to be a top level midfielder. There are always coaches willing to take a punt on making things click mentally for them or try creating a niche role where the player's physical abilities can be used without the low processing speed being a hindrance. At the very least you get a big, strong, fast guy who can totally nullify the opponents biggest aerial threat when defending set pieces.
 
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Being a United fan is like Groundhog day:

"Get rid of Ole and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Lingard and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Pogba and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Ronaldo and everything will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

Now apparently selling McTominay will cure all our ailments and we'll challenge Manchester City.

Wonder who will be the scapegoat when/if McTominay goes. Probably Mason Mount.

We need a bigger squad. Not a smaller one. Scott McTominay isn't even starting matches, or coming off the bench, so I'm not clear why so many people are still complaining.

Are people moaning that he's playing hide and seek on the bench?.
 
Being a United fan is like Groundhog day:

"Get rid of Ole and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Lingard and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Pogba and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Ronaldo and everything will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

Now apparently selling McTominay will cure all our ailments and we'll challenge Manchester City.

Wonder who will be the scapegoat when/if McTominay goes. Probably Mason Mount.

We need a bigger squad. Not a smaller one. Scott McTominay isn't even starting matches, or coming off the bench, so I'm not clear why so many people are still complaining.

Are people moaning that he's playing hide and seek on the bench?.
He us 6th choice midfielder with decent market value who doesn't fit in manager's system. So, good football business is to sell him and replace him for a player who does fit. Same goes for Maguire.
 
Maybe a swap loan deal is a good idea. What's the worst that can happen? We get Scotty back having had a year of top notch coaching, to maybe find a useful, disciplined player actually resides in that 6' 4" body?
 
If ETH doesn’t want him and we can get Amarabat on top, I’d be fine with a loan swap deal.
 
Nope its me guessing after they spend €100mil on Kane.
Yes, I figured. You are guessing that Bayern has FFP issues since they bought Kane for €100m?
You are talking about a club that generates more revenue than United and has zero debt.

On top of that their net spend is €50m: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-bayern-munchen/transfers/verein/27

And €40m the year before: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/bay.../27/plus/?saison_id=2022&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=
 
Being a United fan is like Groundhog day:

"Get rid of Ole and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Lingard and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Pogba and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Ronaldo and everything will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

Now apparently selling McTominay will cure all our ailments and we'll challenge Manchester City.

Wonder who will be the scapegoat when/if McTominay goes. Probably Mason Mount.

We need a bigger squad. Not a smaller one. Scott McTominay isn't even starting matches, or coming off the bench, so I'm not clear why so many people are still complaining.

Are people moaning that he's playing hide and seek on the bench?.
The answer is in your own post. He’s not starting games or coming off the bench (although he did, actually).

This being the case, he serves no purpose and might as well leave and join a team where he can push for a place. In turn we need more midfielders who are good enough to properly compete to get into the team.
 
Being a United fan is like Groundhog day:

"Get rid of Ole and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Lingard and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Pogba and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Ronaldo and everything will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

Now apparently selling McTominay will cure all our ailments and we'll challenge Manchester City.

Wonder who will be the scapegoat when/if McTominay goes. Probably Mason Mount.

We need a bigger squad. Not a smaller one. Scott McTominay isn't even starting matches, or coming off the bench, so I'm not clear why so many people are still complaining.

Are people moaning that he's playing hide and seek on the bench?.

I’d love for you to post a few examples of people suggesting that any one of those things would be “the solution to everything”.
 
He us 6th choice midfielder with decent market value who doesn't fit in manager's system. So, good football business is to sell him and replace him for a player who does fit. Same goes for Maguire.

6th?

In terms of "midfielder" I can only think of Casemiro and Erikson. The rest are no 10s: Mount, Donny and Bruno.

He's 3rd choice.

I can only think of 5. God knows who the 6th is. If you mean "Mainoo", he's played one EPL match. No way is he ahead of McTominay.
 
I’d love for you to post a few examples of people suggesting that any one of those things would be “the solution to everything”.

Love to.

Might have to wade through the thousands of posts of United fans salivating over the arrival of Di Maria and Depay as well as the the homecoming of Ronaldo and Pogba.

Examples that fans don't know s*it.
 
Being a United fan is like Groundhog day:

"Get rid of Ole and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Lingard and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Pogba and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Ronaldo and everything will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

Now apparently selling McTominay will cure all our ailments and we'll challenge Manchester City.

Wonder who will be the scapegoat when/if McTominay goes. Probably Mason Mount.

We need a bigger squad. Not a smaller one. Scott McTominay isn't even starting matches, or coming off the bench, so I'm not clear why so many people are still complaining.

Are people moaning that he's playing hide and seek on the bench?.
Well said.
Any new toy is better than already owned.
 
Being a United fan is like Groundhog day:

"Get rid of Ole and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Lingard and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Pogba and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Ronaldo and everything will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

Now apparently selling McTominay will cure all our ailments and we'll challenge Manchester City.

Wonder who will be the scapegoat when/if McTominay goes. Probably Mason Mount.

We need a bigger squad. Not a smaller one. Scott McTominay isn't even starting matches, or coming off the bench, so I'm not clear why so many people are still complaining.

Are people moaning that he's playing hide and seek on the bench?.

so what you''re saying is keeping McTominay will be the solution to everything?
 
Being a United fan is like Groundhog day:

"Get rid of Ole and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Lingard and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Pogba and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Ronaldo and everything will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

Now apparently selling McTominay will cure all our ailments and we'll challenge Manchester City.

Wonder who will be the scapegoat when/if McTominay goes. Probably Mason Mount.

We need a bigger squad. Not a smaller one. Scott McTominay isn't even starting matches, or coming off the bench, so I'm not clear why so many people are still complaining.

Are people moaning that he's playing hide and seek on the bench?.
who are you quoting?
 
6th?

In terms of "midfielder" I can only think of Casemiro and Erikson. The rest are no 10s: Mount, Donny and Bruno.

He's 3rd choice.

I can only think of 5. God knows who the 6th is. If you mean "Mainoo", he's played one EPL match. No way is he ahead of McTominay.
Casemiro, Bruno, Mount, Eriksen, Mainoo (Erik talked highly about him). That is 5 in front of him. They all play before him. Both no10s (Eriksen and Bruno) will play before him in deeper positions. So yes, he is 6th choice.
 
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Being a United fan is like Groundhog day:

"Get rid of Ole and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Lingard and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Pogba and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Ronaldo and everything will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

Now apparently selling McTominay will cure all our ailments and we'll challenge Manchester City.

Wonder who will be the scapegoat when/if McTominay goes. Probably Mason Mount.

We need a bigger squad. Not a smaller one. Scott McTominay isn't even starting matches, or coming off the bench, so I'm not clear why so many people are still complaining.

Are people moaning that he's playing hide and seek on the bench?.

They were not absolute or the only solutions. But imagine still having Pogba, Ole, Lingard and Ronaldo here.

McT is like Pereira. He is a good PL player, just not for a team wanting to be in top 4 (or challenge for the league, not that we are there yet mind). I am OK with keeping him as a backup but if a good offers comes we should sell and try to upgrade.
 
Being a United fan is like Groundhog day:

"Get rid of Ole and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Lingard and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Pogba and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Ronaldo and everything will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

Now apparently selling McTominay will cure all our ailments and we'll challenge Manchester City.

Wonder who will be the scapegoat when/if McTominay goes. Probably Mason Mount.

We need a bigger squad. Not a smaller one. Scott McTominay isn't even starting matches, or coming off the bench, so I'm not clear why so many people are still complaining.

Are people moaning that he's playing hide and seek on the bench?.
Or just all of those things at the time were not fit for purpose and to think that removing just one of them would solve all of our problems would have been naive.

We all know this club won’t return to a semblance of its former glory until the glazers are gone. That’s the only hypothetical quote that would make sense due to the gravity of their neglect.
 
Scotty is not a bad player. He was just played out of position for too long. He is currently the best box to box midfielder we currently have
 
Scotty is not a bad player. He was just played out of position for too long. He is currently the best box to box midfielder we currently have
He’s the only player we have who fits the classic description of a box to box midfielder but we have five other midfielders who can do that job better than him if asked.
 
Probably In the minority but I wouldn't be getting rid of him. We don't exactly have a bounty of players to select from in the middle of the park . Unless you can bring in another couple of Midfielders I would stick till at least Christmas but more likely next summer.
 
Probably In the minority but I wouldn't be getting rid of him. We don't exactly have a bounty of players to select from in the middle of the park . Unless you can bring in another couple of Midfielders I would stick till at least Christmas but more likely next summer.
I think most of us (includong me) are assuming if he goes he will be replaced immediately with an Amrabat/Gravenberch type player. If not, then absolutely he is worth keeping rather then 1 less midfielder in our squad.
 
Being a United fan is like Groundhog day:

"Get rid of Ole and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Lingard and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Pogba and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Ronaldo and everything will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

Now apparently selling McTominay will cure all our ailments and we'll challenge Manchester City.

Wonder who will be the scapegoat when/if McTominay goes. Probably Mason Mount.

We need a bigger squad. Not a smaller one. Scott McTominay isn't even starting matches, or coming off the bench, so I'm not clear why so many people are still complaining.

Are people moaning that he's playing hide and seek on the bench?.

You made me consider how fecking grim things would be if we still had Ole, Lingard, Pogba and Ronaldo, and I now feel a whole lot more appreciative of our current prospects. Great post.
 
Being a United fan is like Groundhog day:

"Get rid of Ole and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Lingard and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Pogba and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Ronaldo and everything will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

Now apparently selling McTominay will cure all our ailments and we'll challenge Manchester City.

Wonder who will be the scapegoat when/if McTominay goes. Probably Mason Mount.

We need a bigger squad. Not a smaller one. Scott McTominay isn't even starting matches, or coming off the bench, so I'm not clear why so many people are still complaining.

Are people moaning that he's playing hide and seek on the bench?.
The fact you are making up quotes only makes your entire point even more ridiculous. Nobody said any of those things, just like nobody is saying that selling McTominay will cure everything and we'll challenge City.

Other than physicality, which he doesn't actually use very well anyway, Scott simply doesn't provide anything to a level that makes him a good option even off the bench. Therefore it entirely makes sense to sell him and use that money to sign somebody who is better. Somebody who will be a better option off the bench, and who is a better option to start either as a tactical choice or when resting others. Nobody is saying to sell him without signing a replacement which is what you seem to be refusing to acknowledge. It's not the sale of Scott that improves us, it's the replacement that we sign from his sale.

Now obviously there is a chance that the replacement ends up being even worse or at a similar level, but that's up to our manager and scouting department to do. Refusing to make that choice because of the chance of getting it wrong guarantees failure.

I wonder if you feel the same way about Maguire, as I'd say they are in exactly the same situation.
 
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All this Scot slander is disgusting and you should be ashamed. Hope he is kept so that my work planning where to put his statue outside of OT doesn't go to waste. I've done the models and it just doesn't look as good outside of the Alliance Arena.
 
I think most of us (includong me) are assuming if he goes he will be replaced immediately with an Amrabat/Gravenberch type player. If not, then absolutely he is worth keeping rather then 1 less midfielder in our squad.

Well I was certain we would go for a midfielder when Fred got sold but that never materialised. Think it's looking very much like this bottleneck will continue until window closes
 
Being a United fan is like Groundhog day:

"Get rid of Ole and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Lingard and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Pogba and it will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

"Get rid of Ronaldo and everything will be the solution to everything" - It wasn't.

Now apparently selling McTominay will cure all our ailments and we'll challenge Manchester City.

Wonder who will be the scapegoat when/if McTominay goes. Probably Mason Mount.

We need a bigger squad. Not a smaller one. Scott McTominay isn't even starting matches, or coming off the bench, so I'm not clear why so many people are still complaining.

Are people moaning that he's playing hide and seek on the bench?.
Can’t see him when he sits behind slab head
 
Scott has a good shot on him, has scored some important goals and usually goes through a patch of a good couple of months during the season. He clearly isn't useless as some suggest and we're only an injury away before we need him.
 
Scott has a good shot on him, has scored some important goals and usually goes through a patch of a good couple of months during the season. He clearly isn't useless as some suggest and we're only an injury away before we need him.
:nono: get off the burner account, Scott.
 
Selling him and getting Hojberg would be an upgrade. I don't know enough about Amrabat, that might also be an upgrade, but I've at least watched Hojberg and I think he's better than McTominay.
 
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