West Ham already had a £30m bid for JWP rejected last week.
He is also going to cost £40m+.
He is also going to cost £40m+.
Scott McTominay | Transfer discussion not performance discussion
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It's Ornstein. Not quite Stone, but it's a definite offer. They've moved on, and its pretty much done. Unless we come back to WHU with a substantially reduced price on what we'd accept, we're lumbered with Scott, and the whole smart-strategy has ended in the outcome many of us here directly predicted...
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What if we sell him?
Southampton rejected their £30m bid for JWP last week.
They will have to pay £40m for him.
Maybe West Ham have decided they would rather spend their money on JWP, who was their first target.
They already bid for JWP, they haven’t moved on they’ve just upped their offer for him.
The club are happy to keep McTominay unless they pay what they value him at, like it or not they don’t see it as being ‘stuck with him’
Such different players, Mctominay is made to replace Rice.
Or…and here’s a wacky idea…ETH doesn’t want to sell him as has been briefed by every journalist this entire summer.
We've fecked this one up royally.
To think someone was actually prepared to pay 30 million pounds for Scott fecking McTominay and we got greedy.
Absolute bellends.
To think someone was actually prepared to pay 30 million pounds for Scott fecking McTominay and we got greedy.
Absolute bellends.
I don’t think it’s done. JWP is also £40m. They will need to cough up that amount either way and I think Moyes prefers McTominay.
Certainly a smarter strategy than selling players for far less than their true value. In the interim cheer yourself up with the following tidbits;
1. Ward-Prowse is not a done deal yet so nothing is decided
2. The window is still open for another 23 days so plenty of opportunity for Scott to move if our valuation is met
3. Amrabat is replacing Donny/Fred so this has no impact on our planned transfers
4. If Scott is sold we will need a replacement and 30M isn't getting you much in this market
JWP will not replace Rice at all. If they don't sign Mctominay they're losing out not us.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're after both anyway, Souceck is terrible.
What about Amrabat and this Andre who the scousers were interested in IF McTominay went
Scotty doesn't just fail the eye -test, he's someone who basically every serious football journalist as well as performance analyst would tell you to dump like the proverbial bad stock if you want to play like ETH sets out to play. That he's still at the club is a failure of whatever reforms they've implemented thus far (or at least a failure of them to start working effectively): I have to believe, based on the evidence of what he's so far tried to do with the style, with bringing in new players, and with setting standards, that ETH isn't primarily responsible, otherwise that would be a black mark on his judgement far above the debates around his handling of Pellistri or Amad, for instance. I don't think MCT's an awful player but there's a consensus about his limits and particular faults which is shared by all but the most 'pashun-merchant PFM pundits as well as Top Reds.
As for other people's comments about the price not meeting the valuation as a reason of not accepting it and hence a validation of the club's wisdom in not accepting it - this is clearly pretty circular reasoning. The price in this case was as high as the bidder, WHU, was willing to go, and anyone who's followed transfers and the general flows of the market around them should have realized how far off from relative value in comparison to equivalent players (and taking into account the probable lack of an auction, based on the evidence), the asking prices being quoted in the media were. It went beyond a negotiating position into hubris and/or misjudgement around the player's qualities in relation to (A) United and (b) to other teams looking to be competitive in PL football. Obviously I can't say 100%, but I'd stake real money on him being here at the end of the window, and of then producing a string of passable to bad performances - even largely as a sub or second-stringer in the league cup - which not only don't represent good value for whatever the club's paying him in isolation, and in the process reduce any 'real' value still further, but are actively detrimental in stopping someone like Mainoo from getting enough game time in cup games. But, of course, plenty of posters will deny this now, and they'll continue to deny it throughout the season...
I always thought Paqueta was poor man’s Fred…
Romano confirming City interest in Paqueta. Sort of amazing West Ham could get 180m plus for a midfield that nearly got relegated. Then again Southampton are getting 80m plus for one that did.
I always thought it was the other way around.
Opinions differ, it’s normal
He’s got more talent in his ear wax than Fred does.
Alvarez is the replacement for Rice.
Nice wisdom but some news for you, they have already replaced Rice.
They could still go for McT along JWP... I think moving Maguire out is the most beneficial or the two. McTominay could still do a job in the squad at United though I'm ambivalent about it if the lack of a sale hinders a possible upgrade. Not sure you'll move him for 30-40m next year.
If there's teeth to the Paqueta rumors to City, it would be a second earthquake for West Ham who can't seem to recruit new players at the speed they're losing them.
If there's teeth to the Paqueta rumors to City, it would be a second earthquake for West Ham who can't seem to recruit new players at the speed they're losing them.
This cnut ain't that good but scores many goals. Probably guardiola is looking for a new gundogan.
Paquetta for £70m.. tough for West Ham but sorry you have to snap their hands off at that price. He's not been impressive when I've watched Brazil, and he was hit and miss at West Ham. Supposedly had a great game against City though.
If West Ham want to sign Ward Prowse for £35m instead of Mctominay, that's their loss. I'd much rather keep Mctominay, he's a very useful squad option.
A midfield of Alvarez (who apprently is defensively great but terrible at passing) and an average JWP isn't going to do them any favours. Mctominay at least is basically an upgrade version of Soucek.
If West Ham want to sign Ward Prowse for £35m instead of Mctominay, that's their loss. I'd much rather keep Mctominay, he's a very useful squad option.
A midfield of Alvarez (who apprently is defensively great but terrible at passing) and an average JWP isn't going to do them any favours. Mctominay at least is basically an upgrade version of Soucek.
The problem, as you can imagine, is that no WH fan is confident they'll find as good a replacement considering how awful their summer business has been so far. He's been their main (only ?) source of creativity and he got better as the season went along, I read.
That said, they did OK before he was there so...
He changed agent representation recently and some speculate he's maybe fishing for a fatter contract.
I don't think the McTominay trail is cold for them yet though I have my doubts they'll bite at 40m or more.
90m.
JWP for 40, Lavia for 50. Thats whats been briefed by them?, no?
Both club's sales are amazing, considering one got relegated, other nearly.
Yeah I don't really see the rush to let McTominay go. He's a decent player and can fill in just fine. Maguire is a bigger issue because his confidence is shot.
175m pounds worth of midfield cash burning a hole in old Dave's pocket shortly. *rubs hands together with glee*. We could also just cut out the middleman and sell Maguire to Pep directly?
Can probably pretty much fund deals for Amrabat & Todibo without selling him if necessary
And we have United "fans" here who think we should sell McT for 30m even though he was a starter when we finished 3rd and 2nd and is just entering his prime.
McTominay if he was playing for Southampton would be going for 50m.
What would you consider a fair price?
I mentioned that yesterday? 35+5 would be fair but it is not ripping them off by any means.
Is he? McTominay is awful at protecting the back 4.
Alvarez is the designated DM, McT would be a B2B #8 running a lot while West Ham player Paqueta [citation needed] would be the 10. Not sure they could have Ward-Prowse in their current system but they could change their plan to a back 3 with Maguire. McT and HarMagz would be decent target men for JWP set pieces.
Best case scenarios theorized.
JWP, Alvarez and McT is more of a Moysie midfield than what they had last year. Much more balanced .
That looks a better balance. I know nothing about Alvarez but if he has a defensive profile it adds up. McTominay needs some freedom to use his athleticism to break forward. Should be a better Soucek. It looks a good midfield and I think it'd compensate for Rice.
WHU are to good for this guy
It doesn't really matter if you are selling both, the amount is the same.
If the option was one or the other, mctominay is 100% profit, Maguire is minus 20m odd
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