Scott McTominay extends contract til 2023

He's getting the Lingard treatment, if you don't have the potential to be a world beater then you get called a championship player. Meanwhile we have posters on here still hoping Jones turns into a top player.

Worse case scenario we sell him after 2-3 years to someone in the bottom half of the league to recoup wages. Best case scenario we get a valuable player and save money. So many midfielders don't come into their own until they are in their mid twenties.

The comparisons between the treatment Pereira and McTomina get is quite funny. He's got a fancy name and does a Croqueta so he's rated, despite him only impressing in pre-season. There's a strong argument that McTominay has shown a higher level when given the chance, but Periera is all about potential and hope not actual performance.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
If he ever make it here, Matic will be his top level.

And also this is what we should do, don’t spend crazy money for backup players, use our own player is cheaper than getting someone who is average or probably won’t play that much.
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If he ever reaches Matic level then he will be one of the best DMs in the league. Matic is on decline but he was very good for around 2 years for Chelsea.
 
breakout67 said:
He's getting the Lingard treatment, if you don't have the potential to be a world beater then you get called a championship player. Meanwhile we have posters on here still hoping Jones turns into a top player.

Worse case scenario we sell him after 2-3 years to someone in the bottom half of the league to recoup wages. Best case scenario we get a valuable player and save money. So many midfielders don't come into their own until they are in their mid twenties.

The comparisons between the treatment Pereira and McTomina get is quite funny. He's got a fancy name and does a Croqueta so he's rated, despite him only impressing in pre-season. There's a strong argument that McTominay has shown a higher level when given the chance, but Periera is all about potential and hope not actual performance.
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This is a load of BS and it gets trotted out too often on here. The assumption that people rate players based of nationality is disrespectful to fans and particularly said player. People want to see more of Pereira as he's impressed in the youth teams, U21s and on loan. Given that, it's understandable that people want to see him given opportunities in the first team, especially given that we lack creativity at times. Compare that to McTominay who didn’t really do much at those levels and has yet to have any loans, it’s not surprising that some are a bit more optimistic regarding Pereira. To put that down to nationality is not just lazy but somewhat xenophobic.
 
It's good , because after we sell him, club makes some money, good to pay the big salarys. For example Scott's sale in 2-3 years would cover up the 2 years of Sanchez salary, etc. Also he back up in the squad. Its all business.
 
Manowar said:
You rate him, many others don't. That has nothing to do with our love and support for the club.
I watched him many times in the youth team and PL games, everything screams mediocrity, from his positioning, passing, vision, defensive skills... Would he even get a game for Wolves?
Still, as he has already signed on, hope he can develop into somewhat a decent player.. not just another Gibson and Cleverley.
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I'm actually non-aligned on the situation, I hope he works out for obvious reasons but I'm not going to hold my breath on it.

Incorrect, you've watched him many times under a manager that stifled everyone, people were calling for Rashford and Pogba to be sold a few months back. He deserves to be supported by fans of the football club he plays for until he's proven himself or otherwise, for some reason people feel the need to be the first person to call something, as if it gives them superior insight or something.

If he does end up being another Gibson or Cleverly then so be it, he'll be sold on in a season or two, but he isn't going to develop and take risks if his own fans are breathing down his neck and calling him a 'limited player' at every opportunity.
 
Can’t see much more than McTominay going out on loan season, possibly year after as well before being sold. No probably with him extending his deal as it raises his sell-on value. Unlikely to ever be a key or even useful member of any United squad.
 
I think it is a good deal.

We should be elated to see our academy players sign long-term deals with the club and you can guarantee his wages are still a penny in the ocean for us. A significant portion of this deal will probably be spent on loan which will subsidise these wages more as well.

Hopefully, he develops better than the likes of Cleverley and Gibson to become a good squad player in our midfield (or even translates into a CB eventually). If he doesn't prove his worth in the next 2.5-4 years he will be sold. I have no issue with this deal as I don't think it will effect any other transfers we do at all.
 
IronCroos37 said:
It's good , because after we sell him, club makes some money, good to pay the big salarys. For example Scott's sale in 2-3 years would cover up the 2 years of Sanchez salary, etc. Also he back up in the squad. Its all business.
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That could be true for other clubs, but we've proven to be incapable of selling our players for a decent price.
 
Fridge chutney said:
To be fair, if the reactionary forum had its way, we'd have gotten rid of Pogba, Martial and Rashford long ago when they went through rough patches of form.

God forbid any of our academy products aren't world class straight away!
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There's a difference.
Pog, Martial, Rashford, all showed what they could do. At times, they were in bad form.
Scott McT has never shown anything.
 
The state of this thread. Our academy is not going to spit out ready made world class players every year. Young players need to be developed and integrated into the first team, they improve with experience and good coaching and patience from their managers.

At this stage its impossible to tell if McTominay will be a Cleverly or a Fletcher but the club seems to think he is worth taking a chance with. Even if he does not work out he will be worth 10 mill in a year or two. I am glad our club is still making an effort to develop our own players from the academy.
 
gajender said:
It seems you don't rate him but still think his top level could be like Matic's, so much contradiction peak Matic was a beast he was mainstay for two premier league winning teams if Scott ever reaches that level we would have some player on our hand.
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I don’t rate Matic as high as what you think. Very good player but not in the category of top class.
 
I guess part of the reason why people have a hard time accepting him as a long-term first teamer is that it seemed somewhat random that he was promoted in the first place.

I don't follow the academy much these days but people who do seem to be of the opinion that he was a bit run-of-the-mill, or more precisely that he had no standout qualities.

Then there's the fact that he'll be associated with the Jose years - and the latter's obsession with tall bastards.
 
Red_Beans said:
The state of this thread. Our academy is not going to spit out ready made world class players every year. Young players need to be developed and integrated into the first team, they improve with experience and good coaching and patience from their managers.

At this stage its impossible to tell if McTominay will be a Cleverly or a Fletcher but the club seems to think he is worth taking a chance with. Even if he does not work out he will be worth 10 mill in a year or two. I am glad our club is still making an effort to develop our own players from the academy.
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Hoping he turns out to be more like the latter player and I really hope the club are giving him this contract as they have belief in his abilities and that they are not just doing it as a way of keeping his value high for when they intend to sell him on. Fair play to the club for trying to develop academy graduates. :devil:
 
Man those who took Ban comments here seriously must be struggling with humor in real life.
 
I don’t particularly enjoy seeing him start if I’m honest. But his new contract ensures a sell on fee which is good for the club. If he develops then great, happy to proven wrong based on my opinion so far. The annoyance for me is that it feels like a cycle of renewing/keeping players that haven’t proven to be good enough. Jones being the prime example. Nothing against McT but it just doesn’t feel like we’re breaking the cycle of rewarding average players. Still, Scott is young enough yet to hopefully turn into a good player
 
Thiagoal said:
The coaches can obviously see a real player in Scott! The exact same discussions occurred fifteeen years ago with Fletcher when he suddenly had a massive breakthrough and became one of my favourite players. I get the feeling one massive performance could really change our perceptions and his career.
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Fletcher was very different. He had a brilliant footballing brain in a body that just couldn't deliver on the promises his brain made. To put it another way, he always knew what to do but quite a lot of the time he just couldn't do it.

McTominay probably has more basic ability than Fletcher, but he shows no sign of having an exceptional brain. Maybe that's what they see on the training ground.
 
dogwithabone said:
Fletcher was one of the best midfielders of his generation and massively underrated. McTominay doesn’t to me look remotely in his class but it’s early days and if he does eventually hit the heights of Fletcher then we will have some player on our hands. Seems an excessive contract but very happily be proved wrong.
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Best midfielder of his generation!! Not a chance. He was a good player that had one truly great season
 
breakout67 said:
He's getting the Lingard treatment, if you don't have the potential to be a world beater then you get called a championship player. Meanwhile we have posters on here still hoping Jones turns into a top player.

Worse case scenario we sell him after 2-3 years to someone in the bottom half of the league to recoup wages. Best case scenario we get a valuable player and save money. So many midfielders don't come into their own until they are in their mid twenties.

The comparisons between the treatment Pereira and McTomina get is quite funny. He's got a fancy name and does a Croqueta so he's rated, despite him only impressing in pre-season. There's a strong argument that McTominay has shown a higher level when given the chance, but Periera is all about potential and hope not actual performance.
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T’was ever thus. Reliable players who work hard, executes instructions and do the basics well aren’t good enough. It’s why squad players are disliked by a good number of people, and it’s why players like McTominay, Lingard, Fletcher, etc. get ridiculous abuse when they’re young and learning.
 
OL29 said:
This is a load of BS and it gets trotted out too often on here. The assumption that people rate players based of nationality is disrespectful to fans and particularly said player. People want to see more of Pereira as he's impressed in the youth teams, U21s and on loan. Given that, it's understandable that people want to see him given opportunities in the first team, especially given that we lack creativity at times. Compare that to McTominay who didn’t really do much at those levels and has yet to have any loans, it’s not surprising that some are a bit more optimistic regarding Pereira. To put that down to nationality is not just lazy but somewhat xenophobic.
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I'll have you know I rate him since I watched him plenty in youth football (Periera). But what I said is definitely not BS. You have posters pining for him to replace Matic because he has a bit of flair to his game, yet anyone that watched him in the youth setup knows that's not his position. Not to mention his games in competitive games are not inspiring (he was decent for Valenica but injuries hampered him).

Fans tend to overrate players that look good on the ball, because they overlook fundamentals of the game (probably due to watching for entertainment rather than analysis). This ends up with a lot of workman like players being disliked, and when they are british they tend to get over the top criticism. This has been a thing for ages, foreign players get a lot more leeway because they are coached to play more ball focused and fans are suckers for ball focused play.
 
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Great news.
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I am not sure. I haven't seen anything of him that makes me think he has what it takes. Yet. But then look how the likes of Matic have blossomed under this management, when encouraged to be more attacking minded. I ask myself, if Herrera was injured would i feel that McTominay is a good replacement for him alongside Matic and I would say no.
 
I'd sooner trust our coaching staff on this than the YouTube and FM-addled minds of Caf members to be fair
 
When you consider his role is one of the Kante / Matic / Busquets type, he has the right assets. Physical, plays safe, knows where to position himself defensively. Still young, so there's much potential. Wrong to judge him from a "He's not Ronaldinho" perspective.

Needs a good long loan. Bundesliga preferably.
 
This is how to do it. Some of our academy players are at least good enough to be squad players.

We don't have to overpay for average players like Fellaini, Darmian etc to make up the numbers.
 
Edgio said:
I'd sooner trust our coaching staff on this than the YouTube and FM-addled minds of Caf members to be fair
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Statistically, there will always be more failed youth than successful ones at a big club like ManUtd where the pressure is huge. We’ve seen this many time before, for one Rashford there are ten Cleverleys. So your logic kinda fails in this instance.
 
This is all SAF's influence .It was him that recommended McTominay to Jose ,obviously he sees something in him ,but i fail to see what. Maybe under a new manager we will see what all the fuss is about.
 
NinjaZombie said:
This is how to do it. Some of our academy players are at least good enough to be squad players.

We don't have to overpay for average players like Fellaini, Darmian etc to make up the numbers.
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Exactly and that’s what he looks like at the moment someone to plug a gap and play handful of games per season. There are plenty of players past and present who have come through the academy who are/were capable of doing this.

Whether or not he has the ability to kick on and be more than someone who makes up numbers is question now. Don’t see it myself, at some point he will have to do more than play it safe on and off the ball and that’s when we’ll see if he is any good or not.
 
Manowar said:
Statistically, there will always be more failed youth than successful ones at a big club like ManUtd where the pressure is huge. We’ve seen this many time before, for one Rashford there are ten Cleverleys. So your logic kinda fails in this instance.
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Well, there's not really any logic to take apart in my post. I made a statement - I personally would rather trust the judgement of Manchester United's well paid coaching staff than the knee jerking morons on here who change their opinions every month based on form.

He might well fail to make the grade at Old Trafford, but at least he will have had half a chance. There's people on here that would have sold Fletcher, Rashford and Martial, based on not very much at all.
 
Tony247 said:
He keeps things simple
He doesn't make mistakes
He doesn't concede possession
He provides aerial cover

Above qualities are important when we want to hold on to what we got and come home. Good to have such player around, and he is home grown too.

Notice he will be on bench against big teams waiting to come on for security.
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This tallies up to a lack of ambition on the ball. If you don't attempt to take the ball in dangerous positions, or try to do anything other than take the easiest option, then you aren't going to make mistakes. You could ask several far more talented players to play within themselves and get a similar result. It's a celebration of mediocrity. It makes much more sense to have players who can impact a game on the bench and not players who are lost to it.
 
Manowar said:
Statistically, there will always be more failed youth than successful ones at a big club like ManUtd where the pressure is huge. We’ve seen this many time before, for one Rashford there are ten Cleverleys. So your logic kinda fails in this instance.
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What is a Cleverley ?

If you take the period since Phil Neville made his debut, 8 United youngsters (Wes Brown, O'Shea, Fletcher, Welbeck, Evans, Lingard, Rashford, Pogba) have made at least 50 PL starts for United. McTominay currently has 11 PL starts. There are 6 former United youngsters (Luke Chadwick, McNair, Gibson, Januzaj, Richardson, Cleverley) since Phil Neville, who have made more PL starts for United than McTominay but not reached 50 PL starts (Chadwick has the same number of starts but more PL mins). Of those, Cleverley had the most PL starts (42) by a huge margin.

If you take a longer period of time, from Whiteside onwards, the figures look more encouraging. From Whiteside to Phil Neville, there are 12 United youngsters who went on to make 50+ PL/League starts for United, while there were four that made more starts than McTominay currently has but failed to reach 50.

So adding the two together, 20 that went on to make at least 50 PL starts for United and 10 that left having failed to reach that benchmark.

The big drop off comes much earlier, the large group of players who started one League Cup game, or perhaps got less than 20 mins as a sub (Mads Timm, Larnell Cole, Josh King, Notman, Shawcross), up to those who got just short of 500 mins playing time in all competitions. A player that has been trusted to start in CL games, matches against Liverpool and Chelsea in the PL, hasn't got much in common with a youngster who left the club having been given 20 mins as a sub in the League Cup, a token 1 min as a sub in the PL like Tom Thorpe or James Weir, or one start in a dead match at the end of the season.

Since Phil Neville:

- 29 United youngsters left the club having played between 1-100 mins in all competitions,
- 23 got between 101-500 mins,
- 7 departed having played between 501-1000 mins,
- 4 managed more than 1001 mins but less than McTominay has so far. (McNair technically belongs in this category too but I've left him out)
- 6 mentioned previously (Luke Chadwick, McNair, Gibson, Januzaj, Richardson, Cleverley), more PL starts, PL mins or total mins, than McTominay but left before reaching 50 PL starts
- 8 players that have started at least 50 PL games for United (Wes Brown, O'Shea, Fletcher, Welbeck, Evans, Lingard, Rashford, Pogba)

(apologies for any errors, I may have missed a player or two - figures don't include players currently at the club but with less playing time than McTominay as it is difficult to predict how their careers will turn out)

Anyone who gets to 11 PL starts for United has a serious chance of reaching 50. Some won't develop as the club hoped, some will leave in frustration at the lack of opportunities, some will suffer when there is a change in manager.

Obviously if you use a different benchmark to 50 PL starts, then the figures for successes and failures will change somewhat.
 
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Barca sign De Jong.
We re-sign Scot McT.

CFC desperately need a striker. They sign a striker.
We desperately need a CB. We prefer to save money.

One of the richest clubs in the World and we are saving money like a Championship club.
Very frustrating.

I knew this was coming in Summer 2018 - the lack of signings had nothing to do with Jose's targets being unsuitable, but simply an exercise in penny pinching, so the Glazers could pocket a big bonus.
 
sunama said:
Barca sign De Jong.
We re-sign Scot McT.

CFC desperately need a striker. They sign a striker.
We desperately need a CB. We prefer to save money.

One of the richest clubs in the World and we are saving money like a Championship club.
Very frustrating.

I knew this was coming in Summer 2018 - the lack of signings had nothing to do with Jose's targets being unsuitable, but simply an exercise in penny pinching, so the Glazers could pocket a big bonus.
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You’re reaching here.
 
sunama said:
Barca sign De Jong.
We re-sign Scot McT.

CFC desperately need a striker. They sign a striker.
We desperately need a CB. We prefer to save money.

One of the richest clubs in the World and we are saving money like a Championship club.
Very frustrating.

I knew this was coming in Summer 2018 - the lack of signings had nothing to do with Jose's targets being unsuitable, but simply an exercise in penny pinching, so the Glazers could pocket a big bonus.
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Bollocks.

We’re not signing players because we don’t have a manager. The players we’d likely want to sign are not feasible in January either. Take off your tin foil hat.
 
Kag said:
Bollocks.

We’re not signing players because we don’t have a manager. The players we’d likely want to sign are not feasible in January either. Take off your tin foil hat.
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We’re not signing players “Incase the new manager doesn’t fancy them”

But we’re happy to hand out new contracts and increased wages to Smalling, Young and McTalentless...

Cause every manager would love those guys, right?
 
Negan said:
We’re not signing players “Incase the new manager doesn’t fancy them”

But we’re happy to hand out new contracts and increased wages to Smalling, Young and McTalentless...

Cause every manager would love those guys, right?
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The club hands out contracts to protect assets. The players you mention will all look to leave if and when they don’t play football. Smalling and Young play when they’re fit so I don’t see your issue. McTominay, in particular, is a young player (who is likely to go out on loan next season anyway). It makes to tie him down in the event he improves significantly. Then we can get a decent fee if he isn’t going to make it.
 
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