Scholes

No. You can't buy the passion he has for United.
 
No. You can't buy the passion he has for United. <hr></blockquote>

I think Scholesy didn't give it his all last year, one of the players Fergie was thinking of when he was on about complancency setting in.....
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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I have a pssion for United as well

I'm not worth £20m though

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You would be if you could play football though. But you can't, and Scholes can. :)
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Originally posted by seanoc:
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I think Scholesy didn't give it his all last year, one of the players Fergie was thinking of when he was on about complancency setting in.....</strong><hr></blockquote>

Complacent?? I don't think so - he started the season in a position he hated, and didn't do well. So how could he have been complacent.
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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I can, but not as well as Scholes though ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>


:rolleyes: Exactly.
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yes , because he'd never settle and we'd get em back for 10M. ;)

hey it's crazy but what the hell.
 
I would rather sell Butt.. He is much the same type of player as keano, and will not have a great deal of time on the pitch this season

giggs, veron/scholes, keane, becks/forlan.

no room for him, he`s more of a muscle type of player that we need, but scholes offers more offensive IMO. Butt could go for a fair amount of money after an ok WC.
 
Originally posted by neo2002:
<strong>I would rather sell Butt.. He is much the same type of player as keano, and will not have a great deal of time on the pitch this season

giggs, veron/scholes, keane, becks/forlan.

no room for him, he`s more of a muscle type of player that we need, but scholes offers more offensive IMO. Butt could go for a fair amount of money after an ok WC.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If we sell Butt, we have no cover for Keano
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keano will have to have his replacement on OT soon anyway. either promote, let giggs/forlan move in to cover or buy his replacement next year.

with scholes/veron we have two players with the same prefered style of play, and both are worth shitloads of money...

Butt are probably worth more now after the WC. That will not be the situation after another season on the bench...
 
Originally posted by neo2002:
<strong>keano will have to have his replacement on OT soon anyway. either promote, let giggs/forlan move in to cover or buy his replacement next year.

with scholes/veron we have two players with the same prefered style of play, and both are worth shitloads of money...

Butt are probably worth more now after the WC. That will not be the situation after another season on the bench...</strong><hr></blockquote>


Giggs/Forlan to coer for Keano??????

Keano is only 30, got another 3-4 good years in him yet.
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with scholes, becks, forlan, solskjær, giggs, veron, chadwick, fortune i think keano can be replaced - either its 4-4-2 or 4-5-1
 
Originally posted by neo2002:
<strong>with scholes, becks, forlan, solskjær, giggs, veron, chadwick, fortune i think keano can be replaced - either its 4-4-2 or 4-5-1</strong><hr></blockquote>

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joe cole next year, then let keano move back to ireland to play for potatoes and beer - hell even have a nice dinner with mccarthy?
 
keano is a jerk...
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im just in the mood for jerking around!

hell, sell ole, becks and rio to arse while we are going?
 
Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
<strong>If we were offered £20m for Scholes from an Italian or Spanish club, should we let him go?</strong><hr></blockquote>

How can United build a better side by selling their best players?
If we can bring in someone better than Scholes then yes, sell him - but there's no better attacking midfielder like Scholes in the game right now.
I'd only sell Veron if we could get Zidane, another player who can disappear in game when things don't go his way.
I'd only sell Keane if we could get Viera (and that's at a push, only going by age not overall quality on that one)
I'd only sell Beckham if we could get... (um, I wouldn't then. I was going to say Figo, but thought better of it)
I'd only sell Giggs if we could get... um, drawing a blank again, um, possibly Pires).
It's hard to see a midfield better man for man anywhere. Even at Real where they have perhaps too many players of a similar style (Zidane, Figo, McManaman - well, similar if not on the same level). Right now United have a bit of everything in midfield and even though six into four doesn't go, I can see no reason for letting one of them leave if they're all happy. Remember how stuck we were going into the Champions League final minus Scholes and Keane? At least now we know we could have Veron and Butt in there instead.
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Originally posted by the reporter:
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How can United build a better side by selling their best players?
If we can bring in someone better than Scholes then yes, sell him - but there's no better attacking midfielder like Scholes in the game right now.
I'd only sell Veron if we could get Zidane, another player who can disappear in game when things don't go his way.
I'd only sell Keane if we could get Viera (and that's at a push, only going by age not overall quality on that one)
I'd only sell Beckham if we could get... (um, I wouldn't then. I was going to say Figo, but thought better of it)
I'd only sell Giggs if we could get... um, drawing a blank again, um, possibly Pires).
It's hard to see a midfield better man for man anywhere. Even at Real where they have perhaps too many players of a similar style (Zidane, Figo, McManaman - well, similar if not on the same level). Right now United have a bit of everything in midfield and even though six into four doesn't go, I can see no reason for letting one of them leave if they're all happy. Remember how stuck we were going into the Champions League final minus Scholes and Keane? At least now we know we could have Veron and Butt in there instead.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'd go along with that
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I don't think he showed as much passion last year as he has done in previous years. you can put it down to being asked to play in a different position, but to my mind it doesn't account for his relatively poor performances last year.
 
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I don't think he showed as much passion last year as he has done in previous years. you can put it down to being asked to play in a different position, but to my mind it doesn't account for his relatively poor performances last year.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think losing his place to a new player who played much worse than he ever did, may be something to do with it.
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I think losing his place to a new player who played much worse than he ever did, may be something to do with it.<hr></blockquote>

Agreed it is not a nice position to be in, but not good enough a reason. I reckon Veron will get to start the season.......
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Originally posted by neo2002:
<strong>joe cole next year, then let keano move back to ireland to play for potatoes and beer - hell even have a nice dinner with mccarthy?</strong><hr></blockquote>

prat.
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:

Keano is only 30, got another 3-4 good years in him yet.[/QB]<hr></blockquote>

Keane just turned 31.

Utd will need to replace him at some point. You're right though he has a good 3 years of top football left in him at least - if he wants it.

You never know, he may do a Cantona and retire at the top. I believe he has ambitions to manage. Can't see him dropping down the teams or leagues as he gets older (Celtic is a different case scenario).

Fergie's recent comments about Viera indicate he is thinking towards the future and post Keano imo as Viera is a like for like player.
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Scholes isnt irreplacable. Butt and Seba could replace him with ease and Beckham could step in the middle one day.

Scholes has not been performing and out of the 5 midfielders it seems to me he has less hunger/passion. Its that thing Fergie was talking about and its the reason why Keane is captain and why Beckham is now 2nd captain and not Giggs.

Fergie likes players who want the ball all the time and want to do something with it all the time (like Brazilians). Giggs and Scholes have tonnes of ability. But when these two have the ball they havent used it very well. More often than not looking to pass it on as soon as possible.

i.e. Giggs gets it out wide, but instead of attacking the RB he passes infield - is he scared?

i.e. Veron making audacious pass after pass despite extreme criticism. A lesser player would have shrunk into their shell and stayed away from the limelight. Look at Ruud today, he missed a hatful but he didnt hide away and look to pass it, he got mad and blasted the ball in the back of the net.

We're talking about hunger. Ruud, Seba, Beckham, Keane, they really fight to win. At Man Utd its these kind of players that you need, Scholes has to show he is one too.
 
Scholes has shown that for years and years mate. Veron didn't show it at all last season. Yet you think Scholes shows less desire than Veron? I think he ws just messed about myself.
 
have to agree there, with neil... Scholey always shows desire.. he's a true red.. and i'd be gutted if he played for another PL club.
 
Wouldn't stomach the selling of Paul Scholes.

He is a Manchester lad, brought up in the club and the little matter of him being world class.

Do you remember when we sold Sparky to Barca. Well it would be the same thing.
 
Nope, I wouldn't sell Scholes. He's had one bad season but so what? The season before (00-01) was the best of his life.

We are not a selling club.
 
Originally posted by neo2002:
<strong>I would rather sell Butt.. He is much the same type of player as keano, and will not have a great deal of time on the pitch this season

giggs, veron/scholes, keane, becks/forlan.

no room for him, he`s more of a muscle type of player that we need, but scholes offers more offensive IMO. Butt could go for a fair amount of money after an ok WC.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why sell Butt? He's better than ever before and is fast becoming a world class midfielder. He's just proved his class at the WC and was very important when our bad run turned to a good one last season. Also, and very important, he is 100% red.
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