Sancho needs our support

ExoduS said:
Sure, fell in a bit of depression for not knowing which ride to pick. Blue Lambo or ping Bentley. It's so difficult to decide. If we were just paying him a bit more so he can just get both so poor lad doesn't have to think too much.
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I hope your close friends or family don't have mental health, because you will be a horrible support system.
 
Red in STL said:
Another person who thinks money solves everything, if it did every rich person would be as happy as a pig in shit, doesn't work like that and never has, take Ronaldo, until a week or 2 ago he earned more in a month that most of us would earn in a lifetime, he's not happy is he?
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I'm not saying money is source of happiness. I'm saying that he needs to figure out his sh1t and start performing. What the heck are we gonna do? Send him a letter of support and he will start playing better?

Lately athletes are hiding their weak mentality and inability to persevere in tough competition behind suspicious mental struggles. It became cool to do that.

I hope he has a strong support group around him but fans ain't gonna help him and should not. We support team to perform well. I'm not supporting individual athletes inability to live up to the expectations.That is on him.

I wish him best of luck.
 
Cloud7 said:
Meh. The most successful club in the world doesn’t abide by this sort of sentimentality. If you’re underperforming there you get booed.
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It's not sentimentality. What's to be sentimental about, the player in question has only been here for one full season and I specifically mentioned that patience isn't indefinite. Neither with fans, or more importantly the manager - he's not going to wait forever for performances. So sentimentality isn't really a relevant term.

But no, I do find a fundamental difference of opinion with fans who have this sense of entitlement and unrealistic expectation that everyone performs from the get go, or that every path towards performance is going to be linear. That just isn't the case in the real world. That's why we're called supporters, we should hold ourselves to a standard of actually offering support in the interests of the club, which often coincides with needing to support our investments in particular players, otherwise we're more suitably called critical observers. Which is basically something any pundit, opposition or neutral fan can do.
 
ExoduS said:
I'm not saying money is source of happiness. I'm saying that he needs to figure out his sh1t and start performing. What the heck are we gonna do? Send him a letter of support and he will start playing better?

Lately athletes are hiding their weak mentality and inability to persevere in tough competition behind suspicious mental struggles. It became cool to do that.

I hope he has a strong support group around him but fans ain't gonna help him and should not. We support team to perform well. I'm not supporting individual athletes inability to live up to the expectations.That is on him.

I wish him best of luck.
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Is it? Who has set those expectations?
 
We cant exactly provide support anymore than not booing.
 
Guys, he’s missing friendly games. What’s with the OTT drama?
 
RedCurry said:
Guys, he’s missing friendly games. What’s with the OTT drama?
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It is a bit odd that he’s deleted the United photos off social media aswell with no explanation.
That plus missing friendly games. Being dropped from the team. Poor performances.
It’s a pretty odd situation that’s going to make people speculate
 
Ole'sattheWheel said:
It is a bit odd that he’s deleted the United photos off social media aswell with no explanation.
That plus missing friendly games. Being dropped from the team. Poor performances.
It’s a pretty odd situation that’s going to make people speculate
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What social media did he delete United photos from? He blacked out his entire Instagram page, not just Man United posts. His Twitter is basically all Man United related posts although he doesn’t really post there too often.
 
RedCurry said:
What social media did he delete United photos from? He blacked out his entire Instagram page, not just Man United posts. His Twitter is basically all Man United related posts although he doesn’t really post there too often.
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Ah, it seems I’ve fallen for some fake news. I saw a post showing he’d deleted everything on his instagram apart from a couple of dortmund/England related posts.
Either way, I think it’s still quite a weird situation that will make people speculate on a united forum.
I personally don’t see the point in speculating until we know more info but I can definitely see why people would think there’s something up with him that’s worrying
 
If there is any problem health-wise Jadon needs his family's support and treatment by professionals. It looks like his problem is not mental, but fitness/intensity related, which is why he was dropped and is now out of the team. If that is the case, then Sancho needs to get his act together and perform as he is expected to.
 
I don't believe some supporters wants to get rid of Sancho already, we signed him a year ago he is 22 where he didn't reach his peak. Playing in a new league with a struggling team, maybe he did not overcome the Euros fiasco. Give him time and support yes we as fans need to support our players when they try to get back in form and do the right things, I remember Madrid fans wanted to get rid of Modric after a year of 2 from signing him and now he is considered the most important signing after Ronaldo in the past 15years or so. It's only United player that get butchered when they don't perform from the media, let alone our own fans and with social media it really affects young athletes.
 
Jones, Wan Bissaka, Sancho, Maguire, Donny....we seem to become a support group for players.
 
The problem with Sancho was that we all thought we were signing the next Ronaldo because he was extra ordinary in Germany. He was world class. Like the hype now with Bellingham.

We thought he would come into the PL and lift Man Utd up a level. Fast forward 1 and half season he is still trying to get used to the physicality and intensity of the PL.

Let's give him more time. He came into a team with no coaching and poor discipline under Ole. He is now working with ETH and we can see flashes of brilliance. ETH starts him in many games before he was injured.

I have no doubt that he will come good under ETH.
 
Isotope said:
We rarely heard this issue when SAF in charge.
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Just because they didn't really talk about it in public doesn't mean it didn't happen. Carrick had a period of dreadful form post-2009 final that he said later was linked to depression. Rooney by the sounds of it had a massive drinking problem. Scholes had his eye issues of unknown cause - could have been mental? There have always been strange situations with people's wellbeing at this club and always will be.
 
God forbid some peoples friends/family get depression or mental health issues, they would be horrific support.
 
Catt said:
There was a poster having a go in the Sancho thread the other day. Why is it so hard to support a young player?
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At 22 he should be a fully capable player and was bought as such for an astronomical fee to make an impact. Is Sancho the new forever young Lingard?

He's not going to develop much more, although he could find some "form" or confidence and contribute more.
 
Ventura said:
At 22 he should be a fully capable player and was bought as such for an astronomical fee to make an impact. Is Sancho the new forever young Lingard?

He's not going to develop much more, although he could find some "form" or confidence and contribute more.
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Can I borrow your crystal ball please ? Plenty of players develop massively after 22
 
Ventura said:
At 22 he should be a fully capable player and was bought as such for an astronomical fee to make an impact. Is Sancho the new forever young Lingard?

He's not going to develop much more, although he could find some "form" or confidence and contribute more.
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Were Mané, Salah and De Bruyne the finished articles at 22? Salah and De Bruyne left the PL and came back when they were 24/25. Sancho came back to England as a 20 year-old and had Ole and then Rangnick steering his development. He definitely needs to show us more, but it's pointless expecting the world until ten Hag has had more time with him.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
The problem with Sancho was that we all thought we were signing the next Ronaldo because he was extra ordinary in Germany. He was world class. Like the hype now with Bellingham.

We thought he would come into the PL and lift Man Utd up a level. Fast forward 1 and half season he is still trying to get used to the physicality and intensity of the PL.
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This is it folks. High expectations were not met and he is being fairly scrutinized for that. Suppose it's not too different from Pogba who we signed for big bucks, expected to elevate the team off the back of his own brilliance but struggled to produce the levels he did in the league he came from for his united career.

Jadon is a London lad though and I do think he has a fighting spirit so I hope he is working hard on his athleticism which for me is clearly what the big issue with him is.

If he is able to improve his explosiveness, really shred down and be happy to put on the afterburners after he does do a little trick instead of turning back and passing it back like he has been doing, then he will get back to decent form more consistently.
 
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/jadon-sancho-man-united-news-25671154

From Luckhurst-

"It is understood the intention is for Sancho to rejoin the United squad at their Carrington training complex next week. Sancho had a tendency to meander after scoring vitally against Liverpool and Leicester when he has demonstrated he is borderline irrepressible when operating at an intense tempo."

" Club staff say Sancho is brilliant when he is trusting of people. A source says it "takes a bit to get to know him" as Sancho is quiet and unassuming. "

" Those who deal with Sancho maintain he has not been deterred by the spiralling form he has not recovered from since the Manchester derby on October 2 "

Mentions the intensity issue, no suprise really just hope this message from ETH hits home.
 
Gycraig said:
Can I borrow your crystal ball please ? Plenty of players develop massively after 22
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I sit on the fence on this one but plenty of players also don't improve after 22 and some players peak young.

I like Sancho and think there is a lot of talent in there. Hard to say if he will make it though as we don't see behind the scenes.
 
Isn't he doing specialised training sessions with coaches recomended to him by Ten Hag in the Nerherlands? At least that shows a determination to succeed. He was brilliant in Germany, so personally I fully expect him to come back strong.
 
TwoSheds said:
Just because they didn't really talk about it in public doesn't mean it didn't happen. Carrick had a period of dreadful form post-2009 final that he said later was linked to depression. Rooney by the sounds of it had a massive drinking problem. Scholes had his eye issues of unknown cause - could have been mental? There have always been strange situations with people's wellbeing at this club and always will be.
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Probably. Their form might be dropped but their workrate was still there. And they still performed on high standard.
 
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Isotope said:
Probably. Their form might be dropped but their workrate was still there. And they still performed on high standard.
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Carrick was absolutely gash for about 18 months after that 2009 final. Rooney suffered in his late twenties for the drinking and was often a streaky player even before that which may have been related for all we know. As for Scholes' eye issue it's pure speculation from me but he didn't play for quite a long time with it and it was never convincingly explained what caused it.

I'm not saying Sancho doesn't need to work harder or anything, just pointing out that it's total nonsense to say that mental health never affected footballers' performances in "the good old days". Nor that people who've had problems haven't managed to turn it round either. Iniesta is another example of a player who experienced depression and came through it to have a great career.
 
Black Alabaster said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/12/04/jadon-sancho-left-man-uniteds-winter-trip-spain/

"Jadon Sancho will miss Manchester United’s trip to Spain this week and their friendlies against Cadiz and Real Betis in order to continue working on an individual training programme.

The United winger has spent some time recently training in the Netherlands with coaches recommended by manager Erik ten Hag."

Does this not strike anyone as extremely strange? He is staying in the netherlands to train alone, rather than join the squad actually playing games and training under the manager.

I understand the first part that he is out there getting drilled on some aspects, maybe his intensity to go at his man 1 on 1 or whatever other bits ETH wants him to improve on, but considering he's not gone to the WC it seems there's a real issue there we're not completely privy too if he's not joining first team preparation. If he is not part of first team training and these friendlies I suppose that means he won't be starting in our first game back in the carabao cup against burnley.

Slightly worrying really and I want fans to give him more time but can't help but feel like the writing could be on the wall for Sancho honestly. I was so happy to get him but I think we're seeing the bundesliga tax, seems he still isn't vibrating at the right intensity and premier league fullbacks aren't falling over reacting to a body feint as much as they did in Germany. He cost £73M and is not in our best front 3 now Rashy, Martial, Antony. Could even see Amad coming back in and being the left footed right wing back up now he is playing with the required intensity.
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Good points but perhaps it`s simply a case of re-charging the batteries away from the familiar environment and the goldfish bowl of UK football. The fact that he is training with a Dutch trainer with links to Ten Hag is a positive - seems that Jadon is re-focusing on technique to get back to the player we know he can be.

I think your point about the difference between Jadon in the Bundesliga and the Premier League is especially relevant. I love watching German football but the Premier League is a different beast and doesn`t give attackers the room that Jadon got there. Let`s hope he returns with confidence.
 
TwoSheds said:
it's total nonsense to say that mental health never affected footballers' performances in "the good old days"
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With Scholes it's also worth mentioning that his life was turned upside down when his son with autism was born. I don't even think he told people at the club, but hearing him talk about it it's incredible that he managed to continue to perform at such a high level. I think this must be the most interesting and open interview with him out there.

Paul Scholes talks post-football life, parenting challenges and the Golden Generation | The Overlap - YouTube
 
pierrethesnack said:
With Scholes it's also worth mentioning that his life was turned upside down when his son with autism was born. I don't even think he told people at the club, but hearing him talk about it it's incredible that he managed to continue to perform at such a high level. I think this must be the most interesting and open interview with him out there.

Paul Scholes talks post-football life, parenting challenges and the Golden Generation | The Overlap - YouTube
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Yeah that's a good point, thanks for the link to the interview!
 
Eli Zee said:
why does he need our support? Fans will treat all players equally, for the most part. Play good and they love you. Not good enough? You'll get shat on until you're gone.

it's just the way it is... I wish him the best whether he is here or there, but I and everyone else here for the most part will be a United supporter first and a player's fan 2nd.
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What's the point of that? We have no say if a player plays or doesn't play. We have no say in who is sold or kept. All that Slagging off people on the social media accounts does is make you feel big and them lose confidence. It serves no positive purpose to the player or the club. Why do something that can only hurt the club that you profess to support?
 
Fully Fledged said:
What's the point of that? We have no say if a player plays or doesn't play. We have no say in who is sold or kept. All that Slagging off people on the social media accounts does is make you feel big and them lose confidence. It serves no positive purpose to the player or the club. Why do something that can only hurt the club that you profess to support?
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Uhh... that's how it is at most clubs? If the player is clearly below a level, the supporters want the player replaced.

look at the Rashford votes in the 1 forum... or any maguire post over the last year. I don't make the rules or decide how fans act at games / on social media. I'm just saying it like it is.
maybe not every person will "shit on them" like I said, but they'd stilll want the player replaced if it's clear that they don't play good or improve our team.
 
Eli Zee said:
Uhh... that's how it is at most clubs? If the player is clearly below a level, the supporters want the player replaced.

look at the Rashford votes in the 1 forum... or any maguire post over the last year. I don't make the rules or decide how fans act at games / on social media. I'm just saying it like it is.
maybe not every person will "shit on them" like I said, but they'd stilll want the player replaced if it's clear that they don't play good or improve our team.
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It's fair enough to want a player you don't rate gone and even to moan about them to your friends and on fan forums. It's when people turn abusive towards them especially on their social media feeds that I have a problem with.
I'm not saying you were condoning that just that that kind of abuse is self defeating.
 
I'd love to see him score against Citeh and/or the Arse.
 
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