I actually think this is spot on
Sancho needs our support
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I actually think this is spot on
Dear Jadon,
It's not you. It's us.
It's not you. It's us.
He'll be back. His form essentially fell off a cliff when Ronaldo returned to the XI from that Europa league game onward. Sancho is a limited athlete who can't manipulate his way out of tough situations without support. He will always turn back if he can't outperform the risk. He's our most dependent attacker in this sense. I don't expect a worldclass player but the return of the decent performer from the first couple weeks of the season.
Yep, you were right. Good for him. Hopefully we start seeing the real Sancho when the season starts up again.
Missing the World Cup is a blessing in disguise for Jadon. He will get better physically and mentally and get a sense of perspective on what is most important in his life and it`s not the World Cup. Seeing the form of the English attack so far, England will do better with players who were sharp for their club and now for their country - hopefully it will continue against better oppostion.
Something I think we need to take into account is that there are players who just don`t want to play unless they`re at optimal fitness. They`re not sicknotes - they just are far more anxious about their physical condition and sometimes this leads them to be unavilable when they could actually play. I think Jadon likely has this mentality and he`s probably over-anxious.
Anyone who follows NBA will know about Kawhi Leonard - the bloke should have been the top basketball player in the world but is continually unavailable because he won`t play in the regular season if he doesn`t feel right physically and that is so often that it is not worth it for his team the LA Clippers. They`re struck with paying enormous wages for a superstar of the game on paper who doesn`t play enough and the fans and sponsors don`t get what they paid for.
However, NBA superstar Lebron James is also focused on his fitness but will play with minor injuries if he`s confident they won`t escalate. Kawhi will never have his status and value to the game and fans because he is too hung up on feeling he can only play under certain circumstances.
Something I think we need to take into account is that there are players who just don`t want to play unless they`re at optimal fitness. They`re not sicknotes - they just are far more anxious about their physical condition and sometimes this leads them to be unavilable when they could actually play. I think Jadon likely has this mentality and he`s probably over-anxious.
Anyone who follows NBA will know about Kawhi Leonard - the bloke should have been the top basketball player in the world but is continually unavailable because he won`t play in the regular season if he doesn`t feel right physically and that is so often that it is not worth it for his team the LA Clippers. They`re struck with paying enormous wages for a superstar of the game on paper who doesn`t play enough and the fans and sponsors don`t get what they paid for.
However, NBA superstar Lebron James is also focused on his fitness but will play with minor injuries if he`s confident they won`t escalate. Kawhi will never have his status and value to the game and fans because he is too hung up on feeling he can only play under certain circumstances.
Good for him. If I was working with him I'd be focusing him heavily on taking duels and ball control because those are the areas I expect Nacho will surpass him quickly. He needs to be a lot more aggressive overall.
Same goes for Antony too btw. Though I expect seeing all the hubbub around Nacho will put a fire under him big time. Antony's gonna be better for it, I think there's a lot of dog in him.
Glad to hear this. That "focus on family" bo**ox sounds like usual player's excuse to just lazing around.
Hopefully he can turns it around. He was our best player in pre-season, just miles above other.
Sancho is a great player. Half a dozen good games with a few goals and assists and the very fickle caf moaners will be singing a different tune (again) weve seen Rashford thrown under the bus but he has turned it round with some good form, I've seen Giggys in years gone by slated, praised, slated and in and on..
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/12/04/jadon-sancho-left-man-uniteds-winter-trip-spain/
"Jadon Sancho will miss Manchester United’s trip to Spain this week and their friendlies against Cadiz and Real Betis in order to continue working on an individual training programme.
The United winger has spent some time recently training in the Netherlands with coaches recommended by manager Erik ten Hag."
Does this not strike anyone as extremely strange? He is staying in the netherlands to train alone, rather than join the squad actually playing games and training under the manager.
I understand the first part that he is out there getting drilled on some aspects, maybe his intensity to go at his man 1 on 1 or whatever other bits ETH wants him to improve on, but considering he's not gone to the WC it seems there's a real issue there we're not completely privy too if he's not joining first team preparation. If he is not part of first team training and these friendlies I suppose that means he won't be starting in our first game back in the carabao cup against burnley.
Slightly worrying really and I want fans to give him more time but can't help but feel like the writing could be on the wall for Sancho honestly. I was so happy to get him but I think we're seeing the bundesliga tax, seems he still isn't vibrating at the right intensity and premier league fullbacks aren't falling over reacting to a body feint as much as they did in Germany. He cost £73M and is not in our best front 3 now Rashy, Martial, Antony. Could even see Amad coming back in and being the left footed right wing back up now he is playing with the required intensity.
"Jadon Sancho will miss Manchester United’s trip to Spain this week and their friendlies against Cadiz and Real Betis in order to continue working on an individual training programme.
The United winger has spent some time recently training in the Netherlands with coaches recommended by manager Erik ten Hag."
Does this not strike anyone as extremely strange? He is staying in the netherlands to train alone, rather than join the squad actually playing games and training under the manager.
I understand the first part that he is out there getting drilled on some aspects, maybe his intensity to go at his man 1 on 1 or whatever other bits ETH wants him to improve on, but considering he's not gone to the WC it seems there's a real issue there we're not completely privy too if he's not joining first team preparation. If he is not part of first team training and these friendlies I suppose that means he won't be starting in our first game back in the carabao cup against burnley.
Slightly worrying really and I want fans to give him more time but can't help but feel like the writing could be on the wall for Sancho honestly. I was so happy to get him but I think we're seeing the bundesliga tax, seems he still isn't vibrating at the right intensity and premier league fullbacks aren't falling over reacting to a body feint as much as they did in Germany. He cost £73M and is not in our best front 3 now Rashy, Martial, Antony. Could even see Amad coming back in and being the left footed right wing back up now he is playing with the required intensity.
It isn’t remotely strange.
The current narrative around Sancho is bordering on Maguire levels of strange. Cast back to September and this forum would have had you believe he was our most in-form forward. He had a few shite games after the the break, found himself out of the team, and now we’re terribly concerned. Get a hold.
Ten Hag is sitting on a very talented young player who is finding it hard to make his mark at United consistently and is making efforts to help him. That’ll do me.
The current narrative around Sancho is bordering on Maguire levels of strange. Cast back to September and this forum would have had you believe he was our most in-form forward. He had a few shite games after the the break, found himself out of the team, and now we’re terribly concerned. Get a hold.
Ten Hag is sitting on a very talented young player who is finding it hard to make his mark at United consistently and is making efforts to help him. That’ll do me.
It does feel a bit strange, but if they have a schedule planned and don't want to interrupt that I see no issues.
Bet all you are so forgiving, cuddly duddly and aw here's a 5 dollar tip when your uber or panda express fails to find you address and maybe delivering your meal and hour late
Because... he's new and adjusting to Hard life in Manchester being a foreign student from overseas
Because... he's new and adjusting to Hard life in Manchester being a foreign student from overseas
It does feel a bit strange, but if they have a schedule planned and don't want to interrupt that I see no issues.
Agreed. As long as this is planned and approved by Ten Hag, I see no issues here.
Genuine question here, has there ever been a footballer on £350k a week (basically a footballer on elite wages) having to train on their own away from the first team and friendlies in order to get back into form?
I don't think our club has done these young guys any favours by throwing cash at them, ruined Januzaj, Martial and Rashford haven't looked right since their bumper new deals, Sancho now etc
I don't think our club has done these young guys any favours by throwing cash at them, ruined Januzaj, Martial and Rashford haven't looked right since their bumper new deals, Sancho now etc
Same, I don't particularly need to know what's up with him. Hope it works out whatever it is, but if EtH can't help him make it at United, I don't think anyone can. If he is sold in the summer I'll be confident it's because it will be the best thing for both him and the club.
Relax guys. Nothing to see here. He is one of our key players. It's right that ETH want him to focus on certain aspects to get him back to the best like he was in Germany. He did seems still not get used to EPL pace and intensity. He needs to work a lot more on his fitness, physicality and mentality to be able to fully shine in EPL.
The Spain training camp is mainly for those not involved in WC and young players to maintain fitness. Sancho should use this opportunity to work with other specialist to improve certain aspects of his game.
ETH already improved Rashford, Dalot, Shaw, Martial, Garnacho and etc. I believe he will get Sancho back to his best.
The Spain training camp is mainly for those not involved in WC and young players to maintain fitness. Sancho should use this opportunity to work with other specialist to improve certain aspects of his game.
ETH already improved Rashford, Dalot, Shaw, Martial, Garnacho and etc. I believe he will get Sancho back to his best.
We need to sack him off if he's getting paid that and can't even train with the full squad. Heads gone.
Yeah Sancho is such a talented individual. His passing and technique is so exquisite. Definitely one to support.
Relax mate, Ronaldo was on 500k p/w and played worse than Sancho.
He is going to play a lot now just because we don’t have Ronaldo anymore.
I’d imagine Rashford will be playing up top the most with martial competing.
He gets to play on his preferred left wing spot too. We are finally going to play with more pace and unpredictability without the plodder upfront. He will be fine.
I’d imagine Rashford will be playing up top the most with martial competing.
He gets to play on his preferred left wing spot too. We are finally going to play with more pace and unpredictability without the plodder upfront. He will be fine.
I have no doubts he's going to come good for us.
This sounds like a good manager supporting one of his players to me.
Ten Hag clearly taking a leaf out of Pep's book and sending Sancho off to his own magic doctor in Amsterdam.
He'll come back looking like Adama Traore.
Sounds like he's got himself in a Sanchole
According to some posts on this thread, Sancho is on the wrong end of the saying "if you are good enough, you are old enough", clearly at 22 he isn't good enough, but will age make him better?
For me at the moment he's only got one style of play (and limited 'party pieces') and United's wanting him out wide all the time is not helping. IMO Sancho needs other ball carrying players alongside him in 'pass and move' triangles to get us up the pitch. I would however expect ETH to give him further opportunities, but with the right support around him to get the best from him or get him to widen his repertoire.
For me at the moment he's only got one style of play (and limited 'party pieces') and United's wanting him out wide all the time is not helping. IMO Sancho needs other ball carrying players alongside him in 'pass and move' triangles to get us up the pitch. I would however expect ETH to give him further opportunities, but with the right support around him to get the best from him or get him to widen his repertoire.
To be fair Maguire started getting stick because his individual poor performances and deficiencies in his own game began costing us points too frequently being a undroppable first team player due to squad depth at CB. Sancho clearly has been droppable though with Garnacho showing him the required intensity levels recently.
Now we are improving it's quite natural to look at other issues and areas that need addressing and I am a big fan of Sancho as his short passing game theoretically fits like a glove into our new style just like Donny Van De Beek theoretically should do, but no point turning a blind eye to his adaption struggles so far.
Don't think it's really comparable to people wondering about why Sancho a year and a half into returning to England hasn't produced more than a few flashes of brilliance but otherwise flattered to deceive.13 G/A in 50 appearances is not terrible though considering that's also under Oleball.
It's like @yumtum mentioned though, hardly his fault of course and I don't know if this is maybe part of the "too much too soon" for a young lad, but it's quite hard to actually get your head round that he is on £350,000 quid a week and is supposed to be one of our star players. Wouldn't even be worth discussing if he was a 30M punt on 50K or something like Amad but he was an international before he came to us and now he's training alone in netherlands away from the squad to refine his game..
He is only 22 still and I am a firm supporter of ETH and his methods so I do believe if anyone can get Sancho firing it is him, but looking back on his Dortmund numbers double figures in goals & assists he was sitting people on their arse week in week out with his superior balance, composure and change of direction, not blistering pace or ball striking.
Ferdinand was questioning why he wasn't taking his man on anymore recently aswell. It is a worry for me and I wonder how long he will have Ten Hags patience with the competition he already has upfront especially If we do get a striker in the next 12 months. Would be a waste of talent for him to be sat on the bench much longer and not a first 11 player, can't imagine he is happy with that either.
Has a habit of scoring against the big teams = big game player. He's also still young.
He’s the player who takes an extra touch and slows everything down with chaos around him, perfect example of it working well is the Liverpool goal, it just can work against him at times too and he needs to pick his moments a bit better which comes with experience. I’m not particularly worried about him at all.
He'll be fine. I like the fact he is getting his head down and working on improving, eth knows what he is doing
Ten Hag clearly taking a leaf out of Pep's book and sending Sancho off to his own magic doctor in Amsterdam.
He'll come back looking like Adama Traore.
Have Pep done something like this?
Not being with the team for a break like this seems like a pretty big deal to me. Don’t want to raise any alarms or anything, but alone it stands out.
It does seem strange, unless it’s a fitness program I don’t see why he wouldn’t be involved in the trip to Spain. Minutes working on the tactics in a group and seeing it all come together surely has to be better than whatever he is doing and surely if that is that important he could do that whilst still being the squad.
Surely all he is doing is watching video, drilling scenarios and maybe trying to get his confidence up. Again something he could do with the first team.
Anyway I trust ETH and if he thinks this is what is best for Sancho then so be it.
Actually after seeing who is going probably best he does stick to his individual program. 3 proper first team, then some bench options then people on the outskirts.
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Could be physical training for sure, sometimes it’s pretty unclear what ETH is referring to, but if I have understood him correctly he has challenged his physic at times.
He have said stuff like that Sancho “understands now he has to invest in the physical”.
I can definitely see him working out kind of like Ivan Drago does in this movie:
Not many big money players have had such a poor start to their Utd careers and turned it around if we're honest.
He's got it all to do to get back in the team. I don't see it happening on a regular basis either now with Garnacho around.
We only support players in good shape and form. If they have a couple of bad games, injuries or bad luck we want them sold and gone as fast a possible. And off course we want to buy every player in form and get at least 11 new players every transfer window.
At this point the best course of action would be to negotiate dissolving the contract and releasing him, like the club did with Ronaldo. Too much of a weight, literally and figuratively, dragging the dressing room down.
Let him be someone else's problem. Maybe Bayern's?
Let him be someone else's problem. Maybe Bayern's?
Only if you send Musiala back.
I’m ok with a Sancho / Musiala swop
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