If we can only have discussions when all the facts are on the table we might as well shut the forum down. Obviously people are going to want to discuss it and speculate - he's been out for 3 months with no injury and was sent to train alone in the Netherlands with specialists. Why is it a cardinal sin that people are hypothesizing it might have something to do mental health/getting his head in the right place? And if it isn't that, what else is it?
Sancho needs our support
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Ronaldo also got approval to fly to Portugal mid season (that was definitely a fake injury though). It's the club's fault for sanctioning it but it's still a pisstake and a bad look.
I don't know tbh. There is so much stuff happening behind closed doors that we know little about. I also know that plenty of other clubs allow their players to rehab in foreign countries. This process has never been unique to Man Utd
Of fans overreacting and little else
Yeh it's not something I can pretend to know anything about. I know Rangnick tried to put a stop to it (recalled Pogba but obviously couldn't stop Ronaldo) so it'll be interesting to see how ten Hag deals with it. The optics of it aren't great though, especially when the team is massively struggling and you've got players flying overseas when you'd imagine they'd be able to receive top of the line rehab and care in the UK.
Such is the way of these soap operas. Much ado
And yet a lot of clubs still give these privileges to players. It's hard to have a proper read on these situations
He will. Sancho is immensely talented. It would be a travesty if we couldn't unlock his potential.
Muppetiers on Twitter said that he's back in full training.
Great news if true. Reading at home in the fa cup might be his comeback match.
I would just like society to generally accept that if you get ill, you go to a doctor. Everyone can get ill both physically and mentally.
I remember feeling like I was going to be outed as some sort of really bad criminal when I got diagnosed as bipolar, the shame was that real. And it was probably always going to happen due to the genes and my family history.
It's a huge weight off the mind when you can be open about it. I've gone back to university as well so got out of the pressured job.
I'd recommend anyone with a condition like that asking for a full diagnosis and treatment and getting as much help as they can.
This is about Jadon not me obviously, and everyone is speculating but from experience, it seems like the training has elements supporting mental health; close-knit team around him, hand picked by boss, apparently open-ended in duration, not in a media-friendly area.
If there was any medication prescribed, that can take a while to get right as well.
I'm all for young lads trying to better themselves but he's paid to play football for god's sake.
Yeah hopefully he will be reading the game a bit better since his return.
They might well do, but they also would elsewhere. There’s actually very good reason for travelling to rehab (Manchester is bloody cold, your body is wasting energy that it could use in the healing process to warm itself up). In itself it’s not really anything to complain about even if I’ve just grossly oversimplified it
Sancho coming back and doing bits - I cannot wait for it. Look at Dalot, Shaw, Rashford, even AWB.. much better players now. ETH will unlock him for sure.
Should be Back in team training this week. Will probably miss arsenal but be back after that. Just seen someone put on Twitter that he’s scored more than grealish and his last game was like October.
A fully focused, hard working and committed Jadon Sancho - fully refreshed…is like a January signing…much needed.
have we worked out how a bunch of people on an internet message board are meant to support him yet? i've just been chanting positive vibes into the ether but he's still not even on the bench ffs
Then it's far more serious than I thought... #prayforsancho
I think he's going to have a very promising second half of the season
Probably by not abusing him like twitter weirdos usually do
It's sad that Sancho is missing the confidence boost that comes from winning
Not only do I love the way this situation has been handled, but I hope it proves a benchmark for future instances where a player needs to take time away to get his head right.
I honestly believe that he will be sold in the summer. He has had at least 4.5 mill in wages while not kicking a ball and I cant see TH being happy with that. We are overloaded with wide players as well.
He'd be given a season to prove himself or at least to show to the world that he is worth something. No club would write an 80m signing like that.
Up to him now to prove his worth.
Rehab in the Netherlands is like sending a sex addict to Thailand for rehab.
To be fair, we won in all the games he scored earlier in the season as well, including important goals against Liverpool and Leicester. Didn’t help much as he still fell into whatever he fell into.
I agree 100%.
And really, with some issues that get labeled as "mental health", how much do they really differ from a "physical" ailment? Evolution haven't built us for 2022, perhaps in year 20,000 we will be well suited for living like we do now. Its not good to have a gambling addiction right now, but 500 years ago it was perhaps great if a village had one dude who was totally obsessed with trying to catch a fish instead of hitting the jackpot on a slot machine. In the same village, it was perhaps good to have a few people who constantly were worried and had a lot of anxiety, because they would be cautious of real dangers, and some that had no boundaries and wasn't afraid of anything. Some take part in professional boxing for 10 years without getting concussion issues, others can get it after one blow. Some have a heavy bone structure and can take a big blow to it but might not be built to run 10,000 meters a night, while someone else can run 15,000 meters every day but will get injured if kicked too much upon.
It is really common with anxiety/burnout/depression issues in society, and it have always been very common. Its just complete nonsense to treat it like something shameful that should be swept under the carpet. Due to that, there are so many misconceptions that wouldn't exist if it was talked about more. Have something horrible happened to this guy in his childhood? Is he delusional since he can't figure out how blessed he is? How can someone be so bummed about being left off the World Cup team that they get a clinical depression, christ, kids of today. 40-50% of all people get issues with these things. Sometimes its labelled as mid-life crisis or whatever, other times as youth issues. Ultimately the causes behind it are very similar. Too much stress and anxiety over a longer period of time.
Would anyone be really surprised if they heard an athlete say something like the following statements:
(a) 'It is funny, I have played over 100 games but I still get really nervous before games, sometimes I even puke'
(b) 'It has been really frustrating to be injured, I get really obsessive with coming back fast, but that have lead to that I have done too much too soon and have set-backs'
(c) 'I love this club and our fans and they have shown so much faith in me, this stretch during which I have under-performed have been really tough'
Common stuff that to a degree most feel at times -- for stretches. But its when you can't shake off these things, and they or a combination of them wear on you year in and year out that the body eventually will protest. For some that protest will keep going for a few weeks, others a few months. Its generally those who never listen to their body who get the biggest problems, because sooner or later you have to take a break to sort things out.
Is Sancho any different?
The only explanation is that you're not trying hard enough. You need to be louder mate
Fingers crossed
It all depends on if the club is run properly and everything is planned out, nothing wrong with sending a player to rehab somewhere else if Ten Hag and the coaching staff, together with Medical team agree it is the best course of action for the club and player, for example VdB's season is over now after the surgery, so he might be sent to another country to work on his rehab, I am not saying it's gonna happen, but what matters here is that nothing happens without a proper plan in place and Ten Hag's agreement with it, I do not think Ten Hag will allow players to take leave of absence for no valid reason, or allow someone who has an injury to go rehab somewhere else for the sake of it.
In Sancho's case, although we do not know what is the exact issue, but Ten Hag was the one who sanctioned Sancho's time out and the special program in the Netherlands, and I trust Ten Hag's judgement with regards to Sancho's time out and his trip to the NL.
Just responding to the comment saying Pogba was a repeat offender. Like he was blamed for the authorization given to him by the club
Around February/March of last year we saw him play somewhere near his dortmund self. I hope he finds that's again and uses as a springboard to the levels we need.
I tried to pray louder. And I even talked really slowly. All I got was a heartfelt voicemail.
Whereever you are, if he didn't hear you in the Netherlands, you don't deserve better
Don`t think there is a chance he gets sold. He is one of the biggest talents in the squad and still young at 22 yo.
Can`t wait to see him back again. We need someone more than Rashford that delivers something extra up front.
Can`t wait to see him back again. We need someone more than Rashford that delivers something extra up front.