SAF considers extending reign

Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Come on Paul, that was a one off, we are the only club ever to do what we did in 99.

You're setting your expectations a bit too high IMO.</strong><hr></blockquote>


So should I set my goal lower?


Are we Tottenham FFS.

Fergie set the standards, now he is letting his own standards slip. Do you think he is happy?
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Originally posted by paulengland:
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So should I set my goal lower?


Are we Tottenham FFS.

Fergie set the standards, now he is letting his own standards slip. Do you think he is happy?</strong><hr></blockquote>

He certainly doesn't expect to do a treble again, and never has expected to do so IMO. It's a crazy expectation.
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Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
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the 94 team was the best team we had but uefa had that stupid foriegner rule which included british players as well so we could never have seen that team at its best in europe</strong><hr></blockquote>

All the other teams in Europe had the same rule.
You could argue that fergie should have built a squad to cope with the restrictions.
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Originally posted by paulengland:
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He hasnt got the time on his hands....

The 94 side might have been great, but they werent in Europe. We can win the PL as we are now (with the right formation etc.) but that doesnt make us a great side.

To be great again we have to emulate 99 - and no more than 3 players from 94 were involved. The majority of the rest were the youngsters that had come through.

The only way SAF is gonna reach those heights again is by buying.</strong><hr></blockquote>

99?

that won't happen again.....

united 99 was a very good side, but most would argue that the 94 team was the best.


the fact of the matter is, SAF has a proven track record of creating great sides...and i have no doubt that he can do it again...
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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He certainly doesn't expect to do a treble again, and never has expected to do so IMO. It's a crazy expectation.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Expect?

The goal is to emulate 99....

No one expects us to do it, but you have to aim at the top mate.

Should he announce a 5 year plan that will get us to the top? Would you settle for that? Would you be happy with that?


Il say again:

By his own High standards - he/they are not performing to there capabilities.
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Originally posted by paulengland:
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All the other teams in Europe had the same rule.
You could argue that fergie should have built a squad to cope with the restrictions.</strong><hr></blockquote>

restrictions came in afterwards... plus, that team was being built when we were banned from europe.
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Originally posted by paulengland:
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So should I set my goal lower?


Are we Tottenham FFS.

Fergie set the standards, now he is letting his own standards slip. Do you think he is happy?</strong><hr></blockquote>

IMO you should try to appreciate what SAF have been doing.. No doubt that he is not happy at the moment. But with the injuries pilling up he have to make do what he could at the moment.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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the fact of the matter is, SAF has a proven track record of creating great sides...and i have no doubt that he can do it again...</strong><hr></blockquote>


Iv answered that a few posts up.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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restrictions came in afterwards... plus, that team was being built when we were banned from europe.</strong><hr></blockquote>


restrictions came after what?


You are all sounding as though you are happy with the way things have gone over the past 2 years.
Fergie himself, is furious. yet your blinkered love for the club doesnt allow criticism?


All is not well. Anyone who says different is blind and daft.


accept it.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>BTW you say it will take ages to gel a new team...


is there anything wrong with that?</strong><hr></blockquote>

There is nothing wrong with that. I suggested he could do that.

He could lay the foundations now that will see us dominate again in the future. But he is buying experience at the moment and he is sacrificing potential from the academy by buying the likes of Veron.
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Time is on our hands - but not on his.
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Originally posted by paulengland:
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restrictions came after what?


You are all sounding as though you are happy with the way things have gone over the past 2 years.
Fergie himself, is furious. yet your blinkered love for the club doesnt allow criticism?


All is not well. Anyone who says different is blind and daft.


accept it.</strong><hr></blockquote>


what are you going on about?


all i said is fergie has got it in him to rebuild the side again...

who said everything was fine and dandy??????

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Originally posted by paulengland:
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Time is on our hands - but not on his.</strong><hr></blockquote>

it'll take a two-three years IMO..


and if he's got it in him, he'll do it.


just like Bobby at newcastle.
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Originally posted by paulengland:
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restrictions came after what?


You are all sounding as though you are happy with the way things have gone over the past 2 years.
Fergie himself, is furious. yet your blinkered love for the club doesnt allow criticism?


All is not well. Anyone who says different is blind and daft.


accept it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No one is happy with the results over the past 2 years, but you are writing as if we are a no hoper if SAF continue on his reign in United!

Let us go back to the early eighties, where are we at the time before SAF came?
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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what are you going on about?


all i said is fergie has got it in him to rebuild the side again...

who said everything was fine and dandy??????

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He hasnt got the time now.

I said that as a reply to your first post.

All is not well with SAF and his selections, tactics, purchases etc.
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Originally posted by pjaya:
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Let us go back to the early eighties, where are we at the time before SAF came?</strong><hr></blockquote>


We were a mid table team with the odd trophy here and there.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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it'll take a two-three years IMO..


and if he's got it in him, he'll do it.


just like Bobby at newcastle.</strong><hr></blockquote>


So what is the solution?

Rosie commented about starting from Scratch - you agreed. Im disagreeing.

He needs to buy better is my answer. He isnt going to be able to reproduce from the academy the likes of Becks, etc. in 2 years.
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Originally posted by paulengland:
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We were a mid table team with the odd trophy here and there.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So without SAF will we still be able to emulate the success if any manager took charge during the time?
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Originally posted by paulengland:
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So what is the solution?

Rosie commented about starting from Scratch - you agreed. Im disagreeing.

He needs to buy better is my answer. He isnt going to be able to reproduce from the academy the likes of Becks, etc. in 2 years.</strong><hr></blockquote>


So if the board decide to give him another...say 5 or 10 years so be it! I wouldn't mind going trophyless for 2 years more if he decide to build a new and solid team!
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Originally posted by paulengland:
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So what is the solution?

Rosie commented about starting from Scratch - you agreed. Im disagreeing.

He needs to buy better is my answer. He isnt going to be able to reproduce from the academy the likes of Becks, etc. in 2 years.</strong><hr></blockquote>

dunno about better...

but he needs to buy players that are young and enthusiastic..

face it, most of our experienced player are like pop idols...


here are who i'd buy...


RVDV
Joaquin
Vincente/duff
Aimar/D'allesandro
Cisse
Mexes
maybe a young full back n'all...

all young and highly talented, which is the key IMO.
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Originally posted by pjaya:
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So if the board decide to give him another...say 5 or 10 years so be it! I wouldn't mind going trophyless for 2 years more if he decide to build a new and solid team!</strong><hr></blockquote>

the problem is the board probably won't. remember United is now also a business. it's a PLC where shareholders will be looking to get their worth of the shares back. the fans' say alone will not be the key in deciding SAF's life at the club.

he will need to keep us on an acceptable level (finish no lower than 2nd or 3rd in the EPL, and atleast a quarter final or semi final of the CL every year..)

in all of this, it simply means SAF will most likely need to keep bringing 1-2 new stars every year to make it happen.. all we can do is hope the next buy will be an effective one.
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Originally posted by pjaya:
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So without SAF will we still be able to emulate the success if any manager took charge during the time?</strong><hr></blockquote>


Im not asking for his head. Im saying over the last few years his methods have to be questioned.

He should retire when his contract expires - at the top.

You are being to sentimental about him. The buck stops at him inevitably, if we finish mid table this year, then so be it.

He isnt going to be here in 10 years time or even 5.

Yes, I believe that given our current power, finances etc. another top manager could be succesful at our club.

Its not the end of the world if SAF goes - yet you seem to think it will be.
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well fergie would never leave united in the shambles its in, that would be a step backwards.

i think he maybe feels, that its rebuilding time, and some of the youngsters are gonna get integrated (namely richardson, fletcher-if he ever recovers and maybe stewart)into the team.

There are definately new fullbacks on the horizon, a new striker and some steel in the midfield (papa sengalese bloke) and also a decent cover for becks (at the moment chadwick is not enough, maybe hargreaves).

all in all fergie wants to leave a mix of an experienced and youthfull team for his sucessor.
 
fergie has just started rebuilding our youth network, added new coaches, and how many new managers will want to keep the same setup, with the same personnel?????

they almost certainley bring their own backrooom staff.
 
I never said I wouldnt support him if he stayed on. Words can not explain how much I owe to SAF, and if he stayed I'd still support the team. I'm just saying SAF has stayed long enough and by the time his contract runs out we will need a fresh approach.
 
Fergie's statement is very premature I'm afraid. As has been well documented on this forum, many believe Fergie is past his best and has lost that magic touch. This has absolutely nothing to do with what he has achieved through the success he has brought to this Club, for which we are all eternally grateful, but it has everything to do with the future. All success stories come to an end, and I firmly believe the signs have been there for two to three years that Fergie cannot take this team further. Many disagree and I sincerely hope they are right. I would prefer Fergie to go out with dignity and hopefully in some miraculous way, on a high note.Unfortunately, judging from what he has said, this now seems unlikely.
 
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