SAF considers extending reign

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Just bow out gracefully Fergie!

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Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has told a Sunday newspaper he could postpone his decision to retire for a second time.

The Scot, who changed his mind about quitting at the end of last season, is due to stand down as Old Trafford boss in two years.

But he told the News of the World: "I would consider staying on again, postponing my retirement.

"It will depend on how I feel in two years. The thing about life is that your health determines everything.

"You can never take your health for granted. If it is still the same in three years I could reconsider retiring."

And Ferguson revealed just how deeply he feels for the club he has steered to so much success.

"My burning desire is United. When you have built something like I have here you don't throw it away."

<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/2485019.stm" target="_blank">BBC</a>

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I'd loved to be proved wrong but I dont think SAF should stay any longer past his remaining two seasons, if that long. He seems to think his previous success makes him right 100% of the time, and his stubborness is hurting us imo. I am forever in his debt for what he has done for us but he should realise when to stop.
 
Gazza, I think you should give him a break. Even if SAF would continue his reign at United I would still support him, as would most of the supporter here.

Who is more capable in rebuilding the team than him?
 
I say let him stay. That's the only way we can rebuild the team. If he still plans of retireing in two years' time, then he'll just buy expensive players without the regard for the future.
Also, he should negotiate a 6-7 year contract right now so that the contract saga wouldn't affect the team like it did last season.
Then, if he decided to retire, he should do it suddenly at the end of a season, or after winning the treble, for the same reasons as metioned abouve.
 
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>Just bow out gracefully Fergie!
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"My burning desire is United. When you have built something like I have here you don't throw it away."

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I'd loved to be proved wrong but I dont think SAF should stay any longer past his remaining two seasons, if that long. He seems to think his previous success makes him right 100% of the time, and his stubborness is hurting us imo. I am forever in his debt for what he has done for us but he should realise when to stop.


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Gazza, if he stays, he stays. He is not hurting us in any way. He is the greatest manager we have ever had, even better than the great Sir Matt. He is the only person that can turn this club around, and he's done it several times before.

I normally stick up for you, but your "He seems to think his previous success makes him right 100% of the time, and his stubborness is hurting us imo." is bollocks IMO.

Of course he is not right all of the time, what the feck do you want????????????? He makes mistakes now and then, he's human!

The point is, he makes far less mistakes than the opposition.

Put it into perspective FFS.

European Cup: 1999
European Cup Winners Cup: 1991
European Super Cup: 1991
Intercontinental: 1999
EPL: 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001
FA Cup: 1990, 1994, 1996, 1999
Shitty Cup: 1992

Gazza, please do not become a "muppet"
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Originally posted by SOCALRED:
<strong>Depart I say, and let us have done with you
in the name of God go</strong><hr></blockquote>

Coñazo!
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Gazza, please do not become a "muppet"</strong><hr></blockquote>

give the man a break weastie.. we're all quite worried about the current situation.. even you came up with ideas to rid us of players like giggs and nevilles.. which i totally disagree and could also call you a muppet for it.. but i'm not.. because i respect your ideas..

i can also go on and list things giggs and nevilles have done for us in the past 10 years.. and you tell me if it's fair to let them go now.. if it is, then why is not fair to let SAF go? or think he should go?

you're being biased man.. seriously.. i mean no offense and will look forward to your response..
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I imagine that it will also depend upon the availability of decent replacements. Presumably Fergie stayed last time because there was no natural replacement.

There are only 2 people who are good enough to take over and one is Wenger who is probably off to Bayern at some point and the other is McClaren. O'Neil is a possible third but I am still not convinced. He does have the passion though.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Gazza, if he stays, he stays. He is not hurting us in any way. He is the greatest manager we have ever had, even better than the great Sir Matt. He is the only person that can turn this club around, and he's done it several times before.

I normally stick up for you, but your "He seems to think his previous success makes him right 100% of the time, and his stubborness is hurting us imo." is bollocks IMO.

Of course he is not right all of the time, what the feck do you want????????????? He makes mistakes now and then, he's human!

The point is, he makes far less mistakes than the opposition.

Put it into perspective FFS.

European Cup: 1999
European Cup Winners Cup: 1991
European Super Cup: 1991
Intercontinental: 1999
EPL: 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001
FA Cup: 1990, 1994, 1996, 1999
Shitty Cup: 1992

Gazza, please do not become a "muppet"</strong><hr></blockquote>

Unlike you mate. I agree with gazza.

You are saying put it into perspective?

We won feck all last year, have failed in the CL. Are not performing well in the PL, considering we were so far ahead of our rivals 2 years ago. Arse. pool and the rest have improved - we have not.

Its all well and good listing our success' mate but we shouldnt settle for just that.

Our football is becoming lacklustre, the tactics are shoddy to say the least. His persistance to play players that are not performing is wrong.


Something has to change if he and we want further success.

That could be:

Another Manager
Additional Players
Getting rid of 1 or 2 of the 'Untouchables'

Something is deffinately wrong, and if you cant see it I suggest you move from that sunny heaven you live in.

Sunstroke has a habbit of playing tricks on the mind.


:)
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Originally posted by paulengland:
<strong>We won feck all last year, have failed in the CL. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Failed in the CL? We went out in the SF to 'one of those teams' who've got things clicking to them and have done brilliantly. It's a disappointment, but no failure.

As for winning nothing last year, so? Was it the first time this club has won nothing? Does that mean the manager has to go?
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Originally posted by Amir:
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As for winning nothing last year, so? Was it the first time this club has won nothing? Does that mean the manager has to go?</strong><hr></blockquote>

no i don't think so, but its also no excuse to dance around, wearing flowers in our hair, smoking pot and pretending that everything is going to be dandy.
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Originally posted by Amir:
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Failed in the CL? We went out in the SF to 'one of those teams' who've got things clicking to them and have done brilliantly. It's a disappointment, but no failure.

As for winning nothing last year, so? Was it the first time this club has won nothing? Does that mean the manager has to go?</strong><hr></blockquote>

so does it mean 1 or 2 players have to go??? surely doesn't! some of the players people want out of this club have been here their whole careers.. if it's fair to say we can get rid of these players, then it SHOULD be fair to say we can get rid of the manager.

if you're only for one and not the other, then it's unfair, unjudged, and very biased IMO..
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Originally posted by farawaylands:
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no i don't think so, but its also no excuse to dance around, wearing flowers in our hair, smoking pot and pretending that everything is going to be dandy.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No, no. Ofcource everything is not quite so rosey. But we've had trophyless seasons before. Doesn't make them disasters that people seem to think. We have no devine right to win anything. I for one will always cherish some of the football we played.
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Originally posted by Amir:
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But we've had trophyless seasons before. Doesn't make them disasters that people seem to think. We have no devine right to win anything. I for one will always cherish some of the football we played.</strong><hr></blockquote>

is this the attitude you'd want a player to have?
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Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>if it's fair to say we can get rid of these players, then it SHOULD be fair to say we can get rid of the manager.
if you're only for one and not the other, then it's unfair, unjudged, and very biased IMO..</strong><hr></blockquote>

You either decide the manager is at fault or he isn't. If he is, he goes and a new manager decides what he wants to do with the player. If he isn't at fault, then it's all too likely he'd like to lose some players.

Now, my opinion is that Fergie has a definate part in all this, but if we need to rebuild, I'd like no one better doing it for us than him. So I have no problem with him staying.
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I reckon he should stay rip this team apart,build another one give us another REAL Treble and then retire.

He's capable of that.
 
Originally posted by farawaylands:
<strong>is this the attitude you'd want a player to have?</strong><hr></blockquote>

No, but I am not a player. And I am sorry - I will not look at 3rd place and CL semi finals and call them 'disasters'. There are too many things going on in this world for that.
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Originally posted by Amir:
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Failed in the CL? We went out in the SF to 'one of those teams' who've got things clicking to them and have done brilliantly. It's a disappointment, but no failure.

As for winning nothing last year, so? Was it the first time this club has won nothing? Does that mean the manager has to go?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Semi Final? And thats success? Its an achievment yes but do you think the team were happy to settle for that?

I listed 3 possible solutions to our problem. I didnt say SAF must go.
Other teams are used to our tactics. You can sit and criticise Liverpool for there style of play, but they have improved and are improving. We are not.


Are you happy with the current situation?

And if you read the topic title you will see that it refers to a couple of years time - not now.

Maybe things will change before then, but you have to look at recent issues.... Bringing up how good we were feckin 3 years ago is irrelevant, as is the trophy list.Id be happy to watch just a handfull of exciting games, where the team just clicks - but it aint happening.

This club has no divine right for trophies, but the fans have a divine right to moan and groan if the game we pay to see, is shite.
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Originally posted by Amir:
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You either decide the manager is at fault or he isn't. If he is, he goes and a new manager decides what he wants to do with the player. If he isn't at fault, then it's all too likely he'd like to lose some players.

Now, my opinion is that Fergie has a definate part in all this, but if we need to rebuild, I'd like no one better doing it for us than him. So I have no problem with him staying.</strong><hr></blockquote>

as i said before, i think everyone at the club is at fault.. i think it's unfair some people blame only the players and want to get rid of scapegoats like Giggs and Nevilles..

Weastie brought up the trophies SAF won for us.. what about giggs? he's won them all with SAF didn't he?? doesn't he ALSO deserve a chance?

if we win feck this season then it will be partially SAF's fault as it will be Giggs'. SAF played a big part changing the formation around. he has to atleast be held responsible for some of the mess.

i don't want to see him gone either. but i also don't want to see any of our players go.. we need more players right now, not less.
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Originally posted by paulengland:
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Semi Final? And thats success? Its an achievment yes but do you think the team were happy to settle for that?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Like I said. I will definatly not call is 'a failure'. Ofcource I want to win everything there is every year, but you can't. Sometimes things are decided by a goal line clearance of a referee's assistant who did not see a header cross the line.
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Originally posted by Amir:
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Like I said. I will definatly not call is 'a failure'. Ofcource I want to win everything there is every year, but you can't. Sometimes things are decided by a goal line clearance of a referee's assistant who did not see a header cross the line.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And sometimes games are decided by shoddy tactics and bad management.

Wrong formation etc.
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Originally posted by paulengland:
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And sometimes games are decided by shoddy tactics and bad management.
Wrong formation etc.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yep. Was that though? Who knows.
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if this is essentially a "whose fault is it?" arguement about the manager and players then this is what i see....
most everyone knows that have good players. that's why so much is expected of them. giggs, beckham, and scholes have been incredable and have cemented themselves in this club's history...even the nevilles who get slagged off have done their job (well enough to be internationals). though they don't get a ton of credit butt and ole are also amazing. and then there are the new kids...we know ruud is a great striker, rio a great defender and despite erradict (if not often poor) form veron is a great footballer.
and then we have the manager...we all know who he is and what he's done. despite whether or not you want him to leave everyone will admit he's worked miracles.
but lately the players haven't seemed up to par. whose fault is it? i really don't think we have the basis to judge this. if we had the access and capablities, i think we could determine this by seeing if the players are still good. i don't think this comes from a few slip ups in games (this can often just be bad luck)...it would take a close analysis to see whether these players still have skills....if they do have the talent then it's the organization...like many people here i'm a firm believer that the lack of a good assistant since kidd/mclaren left has been our major downfall. but if these players still have talent (AND DESIRE but that's another whole essay) and it's STILL not coming together then it depends on either the coaches or the manager...
 
The tactics are shot to feck.


He can stay for as long as he wants in my book - but revert to 442 attacking football.

not 451 shite.

I can understand changing to 451 when we are winning tha game, but it doesnt work from the start (rarely)
 
oh well i better hit the sack, but here's to hoping we make west ham our little bitches in a few hours :)
 
Originally posted by stoned.rose:
<strong>I reckon he should stay rip this team apart,build another one give us another REAL Treble and then retire.

He's capable of that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
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fergie still has fire in his belly!

that AGM meeting proved it! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />


i think he's capable of creating another great side...
 
Originally posted by stoned.rose:
<strong>I reckon he should stay rip this team apart,build another one give us another REAL Treble and then retire.

He's capable of that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

course he is....


i think he track record proves that...


;)
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Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>fergie still has fire in his belly!

that AGM meeting proved it! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />


i think he's capable of creating another great side...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Im not so sure....

The emergence of Giggs,Butt, Scholes, Nevilles, Gillespie etc. all around the same time was unique IMO.

I doubt we will ever see the likes again.

So he may not be able to build a squad from scratch again.
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Originally posted by paulengland:
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Im not so sure....

The emergence of Giggs,Butt, Scholes, Nevilles, Gillespie etc. all around the same time was unique IMO.

I doubt we will ever see the likes again.

So he may not be able to build a squad from scratch again.</strong><hr></blockquote>


but they weren't around when we had that great 94 side were they?!


and where were they when he built an Aberdeen team that won the league and CWC?


course he can do it.
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Originally posted by paulengland:
<strong>So he may not be able to build a squad from scratch again.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Somebody is going to have to, who would you suggest could do it better than him?
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For all Fergie has done for Man Utd he is welcome to stay as long as he likes.
If Bobby Robson can turn Newcastle around at his age then Fergie will be well able to do it.
My personal opinion is that hell retire suddenly when someday, no re announcement or anything so as to avoid last seasons problems. Its good for the players to know hell be round for a while as it'll buck them up.
 
Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>My personal opinion is that hell retire suddenly when someday, no re announcement or anything so as to avoid last seasons problems. Its good for the players to know hell be round for a while as it'll buck them up.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Very possible it's the reason for all he's saying. Up until recently his new retirement date was 2005. Now there is no such thing as Fergie's retirement date.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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but they weren't around when we had that great 94 side were they?!


and where were they when he built an Aberdeen team that won the league and CWC?


course he can do it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He hasnt got the time on his hands....

The 94 side might have been great, but they werent in Europe. We can win the PL as we are now (with the right formation etc.) but that doesnt make us a great side.

To be great again we have to emulate 99 - and no more than 3 players from 94 were involved. The majority of the rest were the youngsters that had come through.

The only way SAF is gonna reach those heights again is by buying.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Somebody is going to have to, who would you suggest could do it better than him?</strong><hr></blockquote>


I havent got the answers. He could lay the foundations now that will see us dominate again in the future. But he is buying experience at the moment and he is sacrificing potential from the academy by buying the likes of Veron.

He cant have it both ways.

He either needs to be more astute in the transfer market to build a squad that will dominate

or

Put more effort into giving the academy players oportunities.


If he tries both at the same time it will take an age before they gel.
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Originally posted by paulengland:
<strong>To be great again we have to emulate 99.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Come on Paul, that was a one off, we are the only club ever to do what we did in 99.

You're setting your expectations a bit too high IMO.
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Originally posted by paulengland:
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The 94 side might have been great, but they werent in Europe.


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the 94 team was the best team we had but uefa had that stupid foriegner rule which included british players as well so we could never have seen that team at its best in europe
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