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Fortitude said:
So how will it work for them in the Championship?

What's realistically possible for them next season?
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Honestly, it's really hard to say, especially given Ipswich did League One to Premier League just a season ago.

The Championship is such a competitive league and Wrexham replace so many players, so quickly, that I'd say literally anything's on the table.
 
Alex99 said:
Honestly, it's really hard to say, especially given Ipswich did League One to Premier League just a season ago.

The Championship is such a competitive league and Wrexham replace so many players, so quickly, that I'd say literally anything's on the table.
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Your player turnover data was a surprise; knew it was bad, but not that bad!

Certainly a club to follow with a curious eye at this point. Things get very serious now.


Goooooo team!!! To the Championship League!!!

Has quite a ring to it!
 
DOTA said:
:lol:
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The Championship subreddit is basically ready to bully all of the Americans away.

I'm actually a bit disappointed I only found one comment that had "Premiere League" in it, and it wasn't particularly funny so I didn't quote it.

Usually there's loads of them at it.

One of my favourite posts there was in a "New US fan looking for help" thread and another American explained that "above the Premiere League is the Europe League, and at the very top is the Champions League". It got loads of up votes and all of the locals correcting it were either ignored or down voted.
 
Alex99 said:
One of my favourite posts there was in a "New US fan looking for help" thread and another American explained that "above the Premiere League is the Europe League, and at the very top is the Champions League". It got loads of up votes and all of the locals correcting it were either ignored or down voted.
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Good. The more misinformed they are the funnier it is.
 
Fortitude said:
Your player turnover data was a surprise; knew it was bad, but not that bad!

Certainly a club to follow with a curious eye at this point. Things get very serious now.


Goooooo team!!! To the Championship League!!!

Has quite a ring to it!
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The turnover makes sense, in a way. They're constantly planning ahead, and were basically signing League Two players when they were in the National League, and League One players when they were in League Two.

The difficult thing to judge now is whether they've actually signed enough Championship-quality players. I think they hoped Jay Rodriguez would be a massive standout, but he's not really done too much.

Outside of that it's only really Longman, Matty James and Rathbone with any real, recent Championship pedigree, maybe Scarr and Revan at a push.
 
Alex99 said:
I expect they'll once again go a bit mad in terms of transfers and I reckon Mullin could well be one that leaves, as he's clearly not Championship quality. Their squad turnover has been insane (understandably so) since the takeover. They've signed 52 players (only two of which were loans) and sold or released 48 since the summer of 2021.
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Isn’t that just how lower leagues work… loads of short term deals, lots of frees, ins and out, lots of padding/squad players?

Have the other teams only got 10 or 20?
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
Isn’t that just how lower leagues work… loads of short term deals, lots of frees, ins and out, lots of padding/squad players?

Have the other teams only got 10 or 20?
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I raised the turnover more to highlight that they've not been retaining many players through the divisions, but I can see that wasn't particularly clear.

There's a perception from some (not necessarily on here), that I largely attribute to the coverage Mullin has had, that they're still a plucky National League side punching well above their weight.

They've managed the squad really well so far.
 
Chipper said:
Not accurate at all.

It's impossible to know their current wage bill until the next set of accounts are released.

Last season's were released at the end of March where they were spending £11m in League Two. They were not going to cut it to $8m (£6m) following promotion for this season were they?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce92zk757vlo
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i don't know if it's accurate or not just going by what it states is the payroll for each team and clearly they weren't blowing away championship teams with their salaries
 
Fortitude said:
So how will it work for them in the Championship?

What's realistically possible for them next season?
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I think they'll do very well to stay up. 38 year old Steven Fletcher and 36 year old Jay Rodeiguez isn't going to cut it in that league, they need almost a brand new starting 11.
 
bosskeano said:
i don't know if it's accurate or not just going by what it states is the payroll for each team and clearly they weren't blowing away championship teams with their salaries
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I think it's just a lot of guesswork, could even come from computer games and the like. It could be that if it's not accurate then it's equally inaccurate for all teams I suppose, and that they'd still be at the same sort of rank in terms of how much they spend compared to others but who knows? Could also just be way off in that sense too.

We won't know anything for sure about Wrexham's accounts for this season for another 11 months or so when the next set of accounts are released.

A slight clarifier too on the £11m figure from when in League Two, that was total wages, not just for players. It was all club staff so playing staff will have been lower than that. Stuff like that for lots of clubs is out there if taking a deep dive as accounts are out there, they're just ayear behind but individual players wages are never really out there without a lot of guessing going on down in these divisions. Another of these sites has them at £10.67m ($14.2m) for this season - https://www.capology.com/club/wrexham/salaries/ and none of them can really know.

Stuff we do know from digging through some press articles following the release of official accounts, could dig out more clubs in different divisions for comparison but I can't be bothered:

Wrexham 23/24 total wages - £11m (playing and all non playing staff) League Two
Wrexham 22/23 £6.9m - National League
Bradford 23/24 £6.1m, League Two
Charlton 23/24, £12.1m League One
 
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utdalltheway said:
Been just reading that championship teams get £5.19m solidarity payment vs £780k for league one teams. That's a fair sized jump!
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they'll need that money along with a decent upgrade in sponsorship to bring in a few quality players to keep them in the championship next year
 
Its a big jump in the amount of money needed to invest now.
Also I wonder how much more sustainable can their growth be? Is it purely a tv thing or will they develop a ground worthy of a higher level, how many fans can they attract?
 
Chipper said:
I think it's just a lot of guesswork, could even come from computer games and the like. It could be that if it's not accurate then it's equally inaccurate for all teams I suppose, and that they'd still be at the same sort of rank in terms of how much they spend compared to others but who knows? Could also just be way off in that sense too.

We won't know anything for sure about Wrexham's accounts for this season for another 11 months or so when the next set of accounts are released.

A slight clarifier too on the £11m figure from when in League Two, that was total wages, not just for players. It was all club staff so playing staff will have been lower than that. Stuff like that for lots of clubs is out there if taking a deep dive as accounts are out there, they're just ayear behind but individual players wages are never really out there without a lot of guessing going on down in these divisions. Another of these sites has them at £10.67m ($14.2m) for this season - https://www.capology.com/club/wrexham/salaries/ and none of them can really know.

Stuff we do know from digging through some press articles following the release of official accounts, could dig out more clubs in different divisions for comparison but I can't be bothered:

Wrexham 23/24 total wages - £11m (playing and all non playing staff) League Two
Wrexham 22/23 £6.9m - National League
Bradford 23/24 £6.1m, League Two
Charlton 23/24, £12.1m League One
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Just out of curiosity, would those numbers also include bonuses? That could skew things further for a club that gains promotion.
 
Massive summer of recruitment coming for them. Imagine if they start the season with Fletcher, Rodriguez and Vardy.???.. what a Disney fairytale ha
 
Alex99 said:
The Championship subreddit is basically ready to bully all of the Americans away.

I'm actually a bit disappointed I only found one comment that had "Premiere League" in it, and it wasn't particularly funny so I didn't quote it.

Usually there's loads of them at it.

One of my favourite posts there was in a "New US fan looking for help" thread and another American explained that "above the Premiere League is the Europe League, and at the very top is the Champions League". It got loads of up votes and all of the locals correcting it were either ignored or down voted.
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:lol:
 
Robbie Boy said:
Haha, I love when posters on here say baseless shit and then get called out.
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So I do, especially when things are accurate.
Unfortunately for you and the poster of the link, it's not Accurate.
 
Sandikan said:
The owners being cheery chappies, enjoying the ride, helping the local area etc aren't in doubt.
But it's not "romantic" when they're outpowering almost every club each division with significantly larger wage bills. It's expected really. Like Birmingham were nailed on to win the league from day 1, as they have the biggest wage bill by a stratosphere and set the all time world record for a 3rd tier signing!

They probably won't be able to push their weight around in the championship to such a degree. That's a real step up in quality, although Oxford have shown you can stay up reasonably sustainably.
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Eh - it's no less romantic than Blackburn winning the league, or indeed a ton of successful sides in the 20th century who had rich owners. As neither Rob or Ryan made their money as a petro-state or Russian oligarch I'm going to say the comparisons to Chelsea, City and Newcastle are well wide of the mark. Sure, they've won because they have owners who've pumped money into the club, but those owners also genuinely seem to love the club and the town, and they've run the club a hell of a lot better than Utd have been run. I get why fans of rival sides don't like them, but I think there's also a lot of snobbery towards them which honestly just feels like jealousy because they're having a great time
 
SecondFig said:
Eh - it's no less romantic than Blackburn winning the league, or indeed a ton of successful sides in the 20th century who had rich owners. As neither Rob or Ryan made their money as a petro-state or Russian oligarch I'm going to say the comparisons to Chelsea, City and Newcastle are well wide of the mark. Sure, they've won because they have owners who've pumped money into the club, but those owners also genuinely seem to love the club and the town, and they've run the club a hell of a lot better than Utd have been run. I get why fans of rival sides don't like them, but I think there's also a lot of snobbery towards them which honestly just feels like jealousy because they're having a great time
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Yeah, agreed. Good post. Seeing as every United fan is desperate to have an owner who will get us back to to where we used to be by investing their own money in the club (and most United fans would prefer that money isn’t the wealth of a nation state) it seems a bit mad to begrudge the success of a club who’s got the sort of owner we all dream of.
 
Alex99 said:
Some choice quotes from the Wrexham subreddit which is often completely overran by Americans:
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"A parade is totally happening, this is history, winning the league doesn't matter. Getting promoted is what matters. This has never been done before. This has to be one of the biggest stories in sports."

Ok.
 
I've had a soft spot for Wrexham for quite a while, I guess having gone to Uni there helped. Seeing the rise has put a smile on my face, I am old enough to remember them being in the old Div 2 in the late 70's and the start of the 80's (I'm showing my age as it's been 43 years since they were relegated from said league). I started uni in 92, would come home for United games and if I stayed in Wrexham would pop down to the Racecourse to watch Wrexham. However, as you can imagine back in those days the only jerseys you'd see were United and Liverpool.

With the club doing lots of outreach work in the city and probably far beyond in North Wales and some of the border area's towards Shropshire, they've got big enough fan base to sustain certainly a Championship/League One team. The additional fan base the documentary has brought in, the interest abroad to the extent they are pulling in crowds in America in pre-season, jetting off to Australia this summer these are places reserved for Premier League teams, not a Wrexham, that income alone would sustain most National League/League Two teams.

The club has been on it's knees over the years, bit chance they drew a lucky card when R&R took over, and the whole city (as it now is) has seen an upturn in it's fortune. It's not the Wrexham I went to, and it a far better place now than it was and I'm glad for the little place. Even if they drop all the way down again in a few years, they'll always be one the teams results that I look for after a round of fixtures.
 
SecondFig said:
Eh - it's no less romantic than Blackburn winning the league, or indeed a ton of successful sides in the 20th century who had rich owners. As neither Rob or Ryan made their money as a petro-state or Russian oligarch I'm going to say the comparisons to Chelsea, City and Newcastle are well wide of the mark. Sure, they've won because they have owners who've pumped money into the club, but those owners also genuinely seem to love the club and the town, and they've run the club a hell of a lot better than Utd have been run. I get why fans of rival sides don't like them, but I think there's also a lot of snobbery towards them which honestly just feels like jealousy because they're having a great time
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Aye, they've invested in the people behind the club and the journey just as much as the football.
 
Tribec said:
I've had a soft spot for Wrexham for quite a while, I guess having gone to Uni there helped. Seeing the rise has put a smile on my face, I am old enough to remember them being in the old Div 2 in the late 70's and the start of the 80's (I'm showing my age as it's been 43 years since they were relegated from said league). I started uni in 92, would come home for United games and if I stayed in Wrexham would pop down to the Racecourse to watch Wrexham. However, as you can imagine back in those days the only jerseys you'd see were United and Liverpool.

With the club doing lots of outreach work in the city and probably far beyond in North Wales and some of the border area's towards Shropshire, they've got big enough fan base to sustain certainly a Championship/League One team. The additional fan base the documentary has brought in, the interest abroad to the extent they are pulling in crowds in America in pre-season, jetting off to Australia this summer these are places reserved for Premier League teams, not a Wrexham, that income alone would sustain most National League/League Two teams.

The club has been on it's knees over the years, bit chance they drew a lucky card when R&R took over, and the whole city (as it now is) has seen an upturn in it's fortune. It's not the Wrexham I went to, and it a far better place now than it was and I'm glad for the little place. Even if they drop all the way down again in a few years, they'll always be one the teams results that I look for after a round of fixtures.
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If you know the history of the club and town, it's hard not to feel happy for them.

Particularly the die hard fans.
 
FriedClams said:
Wrexham wage bill is under 6 million according to a few sources. This is the championship wage bills

16. Swansea City – £12,284,000
17. Derby County – £12,264,000
18. Blackburn Rovers – £12,090,000
19. Millwall – £12,052,000
20. Queens Park Rangers – £11,620,000
21. Coventry City – £11,336,000
22. Oxford United – £10,962,000
23. Plymouth Argyle – £8,933,600
24. Portsmouth – £7,202,000

Do you have another source for this?
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Why don’t you compare it to the teams they’ve been competing with in D1?
 
Cheimoon said:
Just out of curiosity, would those numbers also include bonuses? That could skew things further for a club that gains promotion.
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Unless it was specifically mentioned in another category when filing the accounts I suppose it would be. No idea if clubs do that, or what best practice/the guidleines are as to how they're supposed to present things as it's not something I know too much about.

All I know is that football clubs file their accounts that run from June-June at the end of the following March/beginning of April so we're always that one season behind.

Can read through their last set of accounts at the Companies House page to see if it includes bonuses or not, although I just find it easier to read journalist summaries. Looks like they appointed some new directors recently from that too.
 
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Any potential United reserve/youth loans that could do Wrexham good next season?

Not asking from a Wrexham interest level but more so from United fans view of a player or two that could do with a loan to a club like Wrexham.
 
Tribec said:
I've had a soft spot for Wrexham for quite a while, I guess having gone to Uni there helped. Seeing the rise has put a smile on my face, I am old enough to remember them being in the old Div 2 in the late 70's and the start of the 80's (I'm showing my age as it's been 43 years since they were relegated from said league). I started uni in 92, would come home for United games and if I stayed in Wrexham would pop down to the Racecourse to watch Wrexham. However, as you can imagine back in those days the only jerseys you'd see were United and Liverpool.

With the club doing lots of outreach work in the city and probably far beyond in North Wales and some of the border area's towards Shropshire, they've got big enough fan base to sustain certainly a Championship/League One team. The additional fan base the documentary has brought in, the interest abroad to the extent they are pulling in crowds in America in pre-season, jetting off to Australia this summer these are places reserved for Premier League teams, not a Wrexham, that income alone would sustain most National League/League Two teams.

The club has been on it's knees over the years, bit chance they drew a lucky card when R&R took over, and the whole city (as it now is) has seen an upturn in it's fortune. It's not the Wrexham I went to, and it a far better place now than it was and I'm glad for the little place. Even if they drop all the way down again in a few years, they'll always be one the teams results that I look for after a round of fixtures.
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Has it really? Because of the club? Genuinely curious what has happened, other than what I would imagine is a relatively small number of American tourists drinking at that Turf pub that's always in the documentary. It would be certainly be cool if it was more than that
 
TsuWave said:
Because the assertion they were contesting was “They have a ridiculous wage bill, one which beats that of a lot of championship teams.”
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Clearly that’s not true. The better comparison would have been with D1 teams who they’ve competed against this season. Where they are in comparison to Championship teams is irrelevant until next season
 
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