Ryan Giggs

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All this talk of him being sold off is a tad premature.

But what should happen surely is that he could have a spell in the reserves. When Beckham was dropped for something like 8 games, he came back really good.

Why is Fergie so reluctant to "rest" Giggs? It isn't doing the team any good, and it isn't doing Giggs any good. And if I was a player who did get benched, dropped, or packed off to the reserves, it wouldn't go down too well to see another player being treated differently.

And maybe Giggs lack of form is down to the persistence of Fergie to turn him into a striker, which he will never be! His strength is as a winger, but at the moment it seems he is neither one nor the other.
 
Well Ole has two feet - he did a good job on the right, so might do the same on the left.

Or Forlan could probably do a job.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Well Ole has two feet - he did a good job on the right, so might do the same on the left.

Or Forlan could probably do a job.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Dunno if his left foot is as good as his right, especially when talking about crossing and not shooting.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>All this talk of him being sold off is a tad premature.

But what should happen surely is that he could have a spell in the reserves. When Beckham was dropped for something like 8 games, he came back really good.

Why is Fergie so reluctant to "rest" Giggs? It isn't doing the team any good, and it isn't doing Giggs any good. And if I was a player who did get benched, dropped, or packed off to the reserves, it wouldn't go down too well to see another player being treated differently.

And maybe Giggs lack of form is down to the persistence of Fergie to turn him into a striker, which he will never be! His strength is as a winger, but at the moment it seems he is neither one nor the other.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agree benching Giggs for a few matches will benefit to him and to us. But don't agree that his poor form is due to Fergie changing his position. Take Scholes as an example, he played brilliantly nearly everytime he got back to CM. But most of Giggs' poor matches this season happened when he was playing as LM/LW.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>But who do we play on the left wing in his place?</strong><hr></blockquote>

theres the problem, we dont have anyone unless we stick Ole out there.
personally i dont think Richardson has looked anywhere near ready for the first team yet.
Matt Taylor from Portsmouth would have been nice.. the new lee sharpe?
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Dunno if his left foot is as good as his right, especially when talking about crossing and not shooting.</strong><hr></blockquote>

But Ryan's crossing has been abysmal in general so we wouldn't be any worse off!
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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But Ryan's crossing has been abysmal in general so we wouldn't be any worse off!</strong><hr></blockquote>

I dunno, maybe, but you want to remove something that is class but currently not very good for something else that might also not be very good. It could be replacing like with like, and Ole hasn't got Giggs's pace.
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We desperately need Ryan to get back on top of his game and quickly. Without him firing on all cylinders our attack is without real pace and is somewhat muted, although Becks is doing his best to make up for the difficiency. I don't know what the problem is and it's sad to see him floundering like this but one thing is for sure he needs to get his form and confidence back soon as his current malaise may well prove crucial to our trophy aspirations. Yes he's that important.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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I dunno, maybe, but you want to remove something that is class but currently not very good for something else that might also not be very good. It could be replacing like with like, and Ole hasn't got Giggs's pace.</strong><hr></blockquote>

But Giggs has been off form for so long, he isn't of any real benefit to the team atm. And would you have thought Ole would have been as good on the right wing? Truth is, whether you use Ole, or Diego, both are likely to be at least as useful as Giggsy is right now.

I can understand the temptation - but how long do you go on carrying someone without doing something about it?

I know Giggs can change a game, but so can other players.

The longer it goes on, the worse it will be for Ryan. And apart from that, he should be treated the same as other players.

I just harbour the hope that a break could benefit him the way it did Beckham.
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I really have doubts as to whether 4-4-1-1 is really what we should be playing against English opposition. I leaves Ruud stranded and Scholes patently doesn't like it. Ryan hardly got near the left touch line last night. He kept drifting inside and really looked sad. Its a real confidence thing I reckon. The number of corners and quality crosses coming in (especially from Beckham)demands someone who can win headers. I didn't see one header won by a Red shirt in the box last night and its been the same for several games. Whats the point of putting over high crosses if they are just meat and drink for their defenders. Low crosses look more promising for the moment (Schole's goal) so maybe we should stick to that until we get a decent header of the ball.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>How about playing O'Shea there for a bit?</strong><hr></blockquote>


:D You've got to laugh.

I'm hoping to see John play as CF at some point, and finally GK.

Bless him.
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as I said on the hyperpix forum I'm hearing repeted rumours of Puk going at Inter....

which leaves me desperate :eek:
 
Originally posted by ryangiggsisno1:
<strong>as I said on the hyperpix forum I'm hearing repeted rumours of Puk going at Inter....

which leaves me desperate :eek: </strong><hr></blockquote>

puk?
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>How about playing O'Shea there for a bit?</strong><hr></blockquote>

You could do worse. JOS has been a revelation this season. He has great touch for a big man and does cause problems when he goes foreward. He can also head a ball. He's my man of the moment. Maybe not as good, but he does remind me a bit of the great Duncan Edwards who could also play anywhere.
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Originally posted by ryangiggsisno1:
<strong>as I said on the hyperpix forum I'm hearing repeted rumours of Puk going at Inter....

which leaves me desperate :eek: </strong><hr></blockquote>

If they provide a decent offer, I'd let him go, for reasons I've already stated in these forums previously. If you Roma supporters are worried about this, then pressure your club to make a decent bid. ;)
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I've just heard that Giggs was being booed by our own fans in Blackburn's match. On one hand, I'm really disappointed and angry with those so-called supporters who did this shameful thing. But on the other hand, I hope Giggs will react with it with positive attitude -- proves the shameful cnut wrong in the coming games.

He is going nowhere, and he isn't finished here yet. I still have this faith on him.
 
MU play w/ 10 when giggs has matchs like this. he wasn't a house o' fire vs posh either. but what to do what to do. maybe PS on the left or forlan. there in lies the problem. KR didn't exactly shine vs. pmth either.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>But who do we play on the left wing in his place?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Bellion can play there (if we get him) and has some pace.
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He wasn't booed so much as jeered a little, nothing malicious, just the fans venting their anger at a very sloppy and sometimes lazy performance he put in. I don't think anyone there would feel like that towards a player who has been so instrumental in united's success over the years. It's just very frustrating when you think of his past skill and ability.

Scholesy did an heroic job on the left but is not and never will be a natual L Winger, I saw Micky up the flanks more times than Paul. I think Weaste may have a point, try John up there, what the hell, it can't be any worse. He's a big strong lad, if he can draw CB back, free some space in CMF and put the crosses in????

Ruud hardly had the ball last night and when he did, he was flooded. IMO Ruud doesn't always work too hard for the ball, it's OK sitting on the shoulder of the CB, waiting to turn that perfectly timed run, but when your left wing is being throttled and the CMF cannot pass any quality balls through, you're doing nothing but warming the grass.

the difference was evident when Ole came on, he ran for stray balls, putting in tackles and running at defenders, something that Ryan failed to accomplish last night.
 
Silvestre could do a job as back up for Giggs on the left-hand-side... he crosses well, is quick and would provide great covers for whoever plays behind him...
 
Originally posted by Adam22:
<strong>Silvestre could do a job as back up for Giggs on the left-hand-side... he crosses well, is quick and would provide great covers for whoever plays behind him...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thats what I'd do, Mickey has effectively been our left winger this season anyway. May as well put O'Shea in at left back, and let Mickey get those crosses in. I'd also put Ole up front to add a bit more aerial threat than Scholes.

Giggs has neither shown the desire, nor the pace, nor the crossing to be in the team. He was a great player but he's won so much that he doesn't seem to be able to motivate himself except for big CL games. Even then he doesn't have the pace and crossing to be of much use. There's no point in booing him which will only dent his confidence and is disrespectful for the player he was, but he should be sold as he no longer is half the player that he was. He's outlasted Best, Sharpe and Kanchelskis in his career for us, but a winger can't go on forever at the highest level.

The other alternatives are Chadwick and Richardson imo. Chadwick looks like he'll be sold this month, but he's played left wing for us before, though he's not naturally left footed. Richardson is still a bit out of his depth but he'll only get accustomed to the first team by playing in it, and if he isn't given the games when Giggs is in this sort of form, then he never will.
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Forgot to say that Silvestre is a hard nut too... real tough for a Frenchman... never seem him intimidated, outplayed maybe (I remember Raúl making a monkey of him that time Real Madrid beat us 2-3 at OT a few years back)... can't see anyone fancying taking him on... like I said, he's fast and probably solid as a brick sh*thouse... can play out of control at times although he seems much more composed nowadays...
 
Interesting article about Giggs at BBCOnline:

<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/2638325.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/2638325.stm</a>

Giggs facing biggest test

Who would have thought it - the substitution of Ryan Giggs being greeted with relief at Old Trafford?


Tuesday night's Worthington Cup tie with Blackburn Rovers saw a large section of the Manchester United crowd cheering Giggs' 74th minute withdrawal.

Giggs has not been enjoying the best of seasons on the pitch, and has admitted that his away form has been better than his form at Old Trafford.

But jeers? This is a player who, over the past decade, has arguably made a bigger contribution to United's dominance of the domestic game than any other.

The trajectory of Giggs' United career follows that of the club almost exactly.


A fresh-faced Giggs back in 1991
He made his debut almost 12 years ago, at a time when United had won a solitary FA Cup under Alex Ferguson.

Since then he has been integral to the winning of seven league titles, three FA Cups, one League Cup, one Intercontinental Cup and the holy grail of the Champions League.

Are we truly to believe that, at the age of 29, certain United supporters would like to see him go?

In the early 1990s, Giggs was David Beckham before Beckham was even holding down a place in the United first team.

If you put his face on the cover of a football magazine, it guaranteed you the biggest sales of the year.

Why? Men would buy it to read about "the new Best" and girls bought it because they wanted his face all over their bedroom walls.

Giggs had the million-pound boot deal (Reebok), the lucrative sponsorship deals in the Far East (Fuji) and the celebrity girlfriends (Dani Behr, Davinia Murphy) at a time when Becks was being sent on loan to Preston.


Giggs waves to the United fans after the Champions League triumph of 1999
Look again at those early comparisons with George Best and the current criticism seems even less justified.

By 26, Best was finished, having won five fewer league championships than Giggs has with years of his career to go.

Giggs burst into the nation's consciousness by playing as we remembered Best, weaving his way past defenders with the ball seemingly glued to his toe.

He scored goals - like the one against Spurs in 1992-3 - by making accomplished defenders look like idiots.

His style may have changed slightly since then, but this has been for the better.

The Giggs of today is a more rounded footballer than that skinny youngster, no longer relying just on pace and trickery out on the wing to make an impact.

Compare him with another Old Trafford youngster who burned brightly at the start of the 1990s, Lee Sharpe.

Sharpe was never able to develop his game beyond that which first brought him to prominence, never able to reproduce his early success over a long period.

Giggs may not be at his best as this year begins.

But he remains integral to Ferguson's plans, particularly in Europe where his presence on the United left is key to their hopes of another Champions League triumph.

Even the greatest suffer slumps in form. Look at Beckham this time last year. Giggs will be back.
 
Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>Giggs should definately not be getting picked ahead of Ole IMO.</strong><hr></blockquote>


The groundsman's cat could get picked ahead of Ole.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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The other alternatives are Chadwick and Richardson imo. Chadwick looks like he'll be sold this month, but he's played left wing for us before, though he's not naturally left footed. Richardson is still a bit out of his depth but he'll only get accustomed to the first team by playing in it, and if he isn't given the games when Giggs is in this sort of form, then he never will.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Speaking about Chadwick, where is he recently? I don't see him in the first team's bench for a long time. Has he injured? If he is fit but still can't get in the bench instead of Richardson, then I think he is really going to leave us very soon.

As for Richardson, he definitely has talent but this season may be one year too early for him. However, I think we should give him more chances, may be substitute in the last 10 or 15 minutes, during this season so as to help him grow faster. May be he can really start to replace Giggs in the next season?
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Being jeered off the pitch isn't something any player can get used to.

I think it'll be the fans that finally drive him away from OT. Guess there aren't that many truly loyal fans left in the stadium. We all know he isn't at his best, but it's not right to jeer 'em off the pitch like that.

I agree giggs need time on the bench. to both recover his form and get away from the non-supportive fans.
 
but Giggsy rejected that offer to Inter Milan already didn't he?!
 
Originally posted by jacqueline:
<strong>but Giggsy rejected that offer to Inter Milan already didn't he?!</strong><hr></blockquote>

anything's possible.. i don't think Giggs wants to leave OT, but if the fans start to get impatient then i wouldn't bet against him leaving.
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Originally posted by RUnited:
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anything's possible.. i don't think Giggs wants to leave OT, but if the fans start to get impatient then i wouldn't bet against him leaving.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's quite impossible to think that one day the fans could force such a loyal and long-serving player to leave. I think the most important point is still the attitude of Fergie. If Fergie supports him, he will stay.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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It's quite impossible to think that one day the fans could force such a loyal and long-serving player to leave. I think the most important point is still the attitude of Fergie. If Fergie supports him, he will stay.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i don't remember the last time our player were booed off the pitch when they get substituted. It's extremely annoying to see and accept that it's happening to one of the most loyal players in the team. If this continues, and Giggs doesn't improve, then i'm sure he'll look for a way out.

In any case, if he doesn't improve i don't think SAF will stay quiet and not bring in someone like Duff either.
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I can understand what Dans means about just getting on with it, but I think being jeered by your own supporters must have a negative affect on the whole team, and not help someone's confidence. Ideally, especially with the wage they're on, footballers should be able to handle it, and have the character to prove everyone wrong. But it's not an ideal world, and it's not just a case of hurting Giggsy's feelings - whilst they're on the pitch, players need the backing of the supporters - we're always hearing how the crowd can lift players, so they can just as easily do the opposite. If you want your team to win, you have to get behind them, and save the slagging until you're away from the game.

Having said that, I didn't hear much evidence of booing on TV, so seems to have been exaggeerated a bit anyway.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Having said that, I didn't hear much evidence of booing on TV, so seems to have been exaggeerated a bit anyway.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i heard nothing either.

Problem with Giggs is that ppl are expecting him to strip full backs every time he gets the ball. They expectations are too high for him. Hes going through a bad patch, the owrdt of his career but he has a few good yrs in him yet.
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