Sorry, but this smacks of United fans not wanting their man to be outshined now. It's ludicrous to say Henry isn't a natural finisher, especially when he was under 20 years old at Monaco, and then use that ridiculous statement to say that Ruud is better.
Natural finishers in the Prem IMO:
RVN
Henry
Fowler
Phillips
Ole
Pahas
JFH
Anelka
Holdsworth
RVN
Henry
Fowler
Phillips
Ole
Pahas
JFH
Anelka
Holdsworth
I'm with MoM on this one - Giggzy or MFM define natural finisher please, then qualify your definition.
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>I'm with MoM on this one - Giggzy or MFM define natural finisher please, then qualify your definition.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What's wrong with quantifying the definition?
Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>Natural finishers in the Prem IMO:
RVN
Henry
Fowler
Phillips
Ole
Pahas
JFH
Anelka
Holdsworth
what about solskjaer, shearer, gudjohnsen, djorkaeff, beattie, jeffers, di canio?
they're all just bloody effective goalscorers.
there's also plenty of midfielders who are better finishers than many forwards. . .murphy, scholes, frandsen, ljungberg. . .
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Who's this other Ole in the list then?</strong><hr></blockquote>
whoops.
though he'd missed the 'C' off the front?
i'd say Fowler was a natural finisher..n'all
i think its a player, who's more instinctive infront of goal.. the types of forwards that'll be in the right place at the right time, to put tap ins in the back of the net...(thats also a skill...)
i've seen henry miss sitters.. but i've also seen him score spectacular goals...
so...natural finishers are the type that score alot of bread and butter goals......... Ole's another natural finisher, i'd back him to score 9/10 in one on ones, he also hits the target more times than not... i'd say he's an instinctive finisher...
i think its a player, who's more instinctive infront of goal.. the types of forwards that'll be in the right place at the right time, to put tap ins in the back of the net...(thats also a skill...)
i've seen henry miss sitters.. but i've also seen him score spectacular goals...
so...natural finishers are the type that score alot of bread and butter goals......... Ole's another natural finisher, i'd back him to score 9/10 in one on ones, he also hits the target more times than not... i'd say he's an instinctive finisher...
A natural finisher is someone who, 8 times out of 10, makes the correct choice when they get a chance. Most chances have to taken without time to think, ie. its natural.
Strikers cant say why they put the ball where they do, its instinctive.
ps. I agree Shearer should have been on the list, the rest, though creative, I dont think have that automatic instinct.
Strikers cant say why they put the ball where they do, its instinctive.
ps. I agree Shearer should have been on the list, the rest, though creative, I dont think have that automatic instinct.
Anyway, as for Henry missing sitters, I've seen Ruud miss sitters. What's your point giggzy.
MFM - please now quantify
I want stats that prove that Ruud is an 80%er.
MFM - please now quantify
I want stats that prove that Ruud is an 80%er.
Henry > Ruud as a footballer
Ruud > Henry as a finisher
Simple. Henry is needed in the Arsenal team to create and score goals. We mainly require Ruud to tuck them away. Of course it's a bonus if he does start assisting, but that's not his primary function. Both do their jobs remarkably well, and i'd be surprised if there was a team that wouldn't accept both of them with open arms.
Ruud > Henry as a finisher
Simple. Henry is needed in the Arsenal team to create and score goals. We mainly require Ruud to tuck them away. Of course it's a bonus if he does start assisting, but that's not his primary function. Both do their jobs remarkably well, and i'd be surprised if there was a team that wouldn't accept both of them with open arms.
Players have to be assessed relative to teams. I would have Ruud for us and I wouldn't even think about Ruud over Henry for Arsenal.
It has a lot to do with space and creativity, we need Ruud to bang them in, the Arse needs more than that from Henry.
I would love to have both though
It has a lot to do with space and creativity, we need Ruud to bang them in, the Arse needs more than that from Henry.
I would love to have both though
Its a toughie but Id have to go with John Hartson...Pure class!!
Two fantastic players,two very different players,but equally effective,cant choose really
Two fantastic players,two very different players,but equally effective,cant choose really
Originally posted by curt:
<strong>Henry > Ruud as a footballer
Ruud > Henry as a finisher
Of course it's a bonus if he does start assisting, but that's not his primary function.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Good point. He's a goalgetter, no doubt about it. But also, whenever he IS involved in setting up an attack, or giving the assist, he seems just as dangerous.
But how can you compare Henry with Ruud? They both read the game extremely well. They both are highly effective goalgetters. It's their physique that sets them apart: Henry being the swift graceful player, Ruud being the ruthlessly effective player. Comparing Henry with Ruud is like comparing 'synchronized swimming' with ..err well 'soccer' ..hmm ok Ruud wins!
Both are fantastic players and there's very little in it. They are both in the top 5 in the world. I'd have to go for Ruud purely because Henry has always had excellent players around him Juve, Monaco and Arsenal. Creative midfielders who have given him the chances. Ruud played in an average PSV team and scored at better than a goal a game one season.
Take away Henry's pace and he would be as prolific but Ruud doesn't rely on his pace to get the goals. I think Ruud will still be scoring goals well into his 30's, i'd be less confident about saying it in regards to Henry.
Take away Henry's pace and he would be as prolific but Ruud doesn't rely on his pace to get the goals. I think Ruud will still be scoring goals well into his 30's, i'd be less confident about saying it in regards to Henry.
Henry is the best player in the EPL right now, isn’t he?
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Now if only Henry could be encouraged to feel the same.
Have to say though, being realistic, I couldn't say Ruud is better than Henry. Whilst I wouldn't swap him, we need to see Ruud score against the top teams. His record here is not so good.
Sorry.
but he has scored against Bayern, Depor, Leverkusen, Basle(top side ask the Gypsies) etc etc
i see ya point.
Its a hard choice, RVN would be my choice as he could fit into any type of set up whereas Henry relies mostly on his pace, but crikey does he have lots of that! Henry doesn't have the full range of goals yet but if he ever learns to score with his head.....
Henry without a doubt, in my mind he's amongst the best 3 in the world.
Whereas Ruud scores lots but he's slower, clumsy and dives a lot!
Whereas Ruud scores lots but he's slower, clumsy and dives a lot!
henry can be breathtaking on his day, but if things are not going well for his team in the match, he tends to behave like a spoilt brat, quite petulant at times. especially, in the 2-0 defeat to deportivo at the riazor last season..
whereas, ruud will IMO dug deep to try to get a goal for his team.
whereas, ruud will IMO dug deep to try to get a goal for his team.
The striker with the best goal to games ratio is the best striker. Pure logic, isn't it ? Does anybody know who has the best ratio ?
It is a tie IMO. Henry is the more complete player, but Ruud is the ultimate striker. I wouldn't swap Ruud for Henry, but Henry would be a welcome addition to the team. Though it'll never happen.
I think Henry is better than Ruud.
Henry can score from anywhere.
His speed is amazing aswell.
But they are defintely the best 2 in the prem and top 5 in the world !
Henry can score from anywhere.
His speed is amazing aswell.
But they are defintely the best 2 in the prem and top 5 in the world !
What the hell are you talking about? Ruud doesn't even play cricket!
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