@Mciahel Goodman & others who wish to debate war crimes. Please can you take that topic to a new thread, it’s worthy of a separate thread and also many others use this thread to get the update of what’s happening in the war. We don’t want to be bogged down reading long posts arguing about war crimes. Those that wish to do so can happily do so in a different thread
Russian War Crimes in Ukraine
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The atrocities are unraveling as fascists leaving the liberated towns behind them:
I can post another dozen like these from other places but this is very traumatizing content.
I can post another dozen like these from other places but this is very traumatizing content.
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Bucha is just insane. Civilian bodies everywhere.
Many with their hands tied behind their backs.
The streets of Bucha are exactly how you end up with the Ukrainians being pushed to a “take no prisoners” policy towards the Russian Army.
This incident can help show why people are talking about Azov's possible war crimes even though the Russians are worse, I think.
The hospital bombing was bad, really bad. It's also true that we're talking about a war where this bombing doesn't really stick out, the Russians have done similar things many other places. One incident that struck me, for example, is when they bombed a church used to shelter children. Yet, this bombing is still a topic for conversation, while other comparable ones aren't.
The reason, I think, is because people claim that it's fake. Not only the Russians themselves, but also people like Maajid Nawaz, certain right wing Americans and conspiracy theorists. Of course it wasn't fake, but because there is debate (defined loosely) we're still talking about it. Likewise, the reason people are talking about Azov is that there's disagreement about facts. If everyone agreed, either on it being fake or real or something that should be investigated, then it would get a lot less attention.
I'm not comparing the two incidents beyond that.
Yeah. Looking at the charred remains. The ring around the finger. That used to be a living, breathing human being. I'm at a loss now what to say.
Can there be a war without war crimes?
The Cod War perhaps?
The Emu War?
Funnily enough I heard about these just the other day on a history podcast. I'm sure the emus would disagree though.
More Bucha.
This is why have have fluctuated on how I feel about the Russian soldiers. Early on, when there were lots of conscripts in the invasion force, I felt awful for them. Seeing the videos of Russian tanks, helicopters, etc. were tinged with some sympathy. By now, the Russian soldiers in Ukraine know what they're doing and still keep murdering civilians. They have dehumanized themselves by their own actions.
As the tweet says, another with their hands definitely tied behind their back.
It’s very hard to judge on the whole tbh because they’re obviously not a homogenous lot.
Well it's very hard to distinguish a civilian emu from a soldier emu but I do believe most of those emus were armed so I'm not sure you could call it a war crime. Maybe the baby emus I suppose though, poor little murderous child soldier bastards.
What do you mean by homogeneous? That the fighting force don't all share the same ideals or aims?
I think that a lot of the Russian army isn't actually Russian. The conscripts anyway. Loads of Dagestanis for example.
Are these atrocities any different to what happened in Iraq?
The whole military complex of all sides needs booting into the fdcking sea.
The whole military complex of all sides needs booting into the fdcking sea.
Nationally those caucasians are Russian though, true they aren't ethnically a Rus but then that would be akin to saying the French army isn't homogeneous due to countless African soldiers.
Difficult to sympathize with any element of the Russian army these days.
That clip almost looked like the aftermath of a chemical attack.
War brings the worst out of people. It looks eerily the similar as it was in Balkan wars of the 90s. Sociopaths leading "normal" people and convice them do the unthinkable things to former neighbours just because they are 'the others'.
Mass graves, scenes of torture…
Girls brought to Zaparozia hospital from Mariupol with vaginal and anal raptures of which the OLDEST one is 10 years old.
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Yep, sympathy for Russians is basically evaporating.
There were loads of rumours that Putin had planned to round up and execute the Ukrainian leadership. I guess they felt the civilian population were a suitable substitute. I still cannot believe anyone did this and thought it wouldn't come to light.
We’re probably just at the beginning of learning about the atrocities.
The problem is that if you boot your military complex but then the opposition still keeps theirs your fecked.
This shit is fecking disgusting
Good thing none of those sons/husbands/brothers we’re supposed to feel bad for weren't part of this…
Sickening to read about this. I wish swift yet painful death upon all those involved.
I read in one of the tweets that they are investigating a case of a 16y.o girl who was anally raped
Expect nothing less from that country. Unfortunately the vast majority of the crimes will never be discovered unless we retake the occupied cities. Imagine the extent of shite happening in for example Mariupol, city with over 400k people. Russia must be completely blocked from everything and must be deputinized by all means necessary or we will never ever have peace in Europe because you can rest assured, there will be another Putin after this one, it's how the regime works for hundreds of years.
I read another tweet where a group of girls “the oldest of which is 10” is being treated in hospital for vaginal injuries.