Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

It seems extremely stupid for Russian if it was intentional to fire a rocket at Poland to hit a tractor and kill two innocent civilians in a NATO country.

The consequences are catastrophic and would do nothing other than stir up a hornets nest of shit considering they can barely fight the Ukraine with NATO support as it is.

My vibe is it was either Ukrainian or somebody is about to be killed in Russia for their incompetence. In any event, the damage is now that there’s going to be significant increase is air defence in Ukraine from NATO.
The real bonehead move is that Russia fired missiles directly in areas that have zero strategic value at this point in time of the war.

If Russia can deliberately release a Chemical attack on Salisbury without NATO responding militarily then I don't think two possibly stray missiles is going to lead to Armageddon. If the pattern persists the response will be proportional.

The only satisfying and proportional answer from NATO at this stage is to either 1) send destroyers to protect shipping lanes in the Black Sea, 2) isolate Kaliningrad even more (build the wall and make Russia pay for it), or 3) even do both.
 
Unusual quotes from Biden and Polish PM: If the missile is 'unlikely' to have been fired from Russian territory, are they implying a Ukraine false flag? Surely it'd be easier to say it wasn't aimed at Poland, or whatever, or are they arguing a technicality along the lines of not from Russian territory doesn't mean not fired by Russians?
 
Unusual quotes from Biden and Polish PM: If the missile is 'unlikely' to have been fired from Russian territory, are they implying a Ukraine false flag? Surely it'd be easier to say it wasn't aimed at Poland, or whatever, or are they arguing a technicality along the lines of not from Russian territory doesn't mean not fired by Russians?
I just don't get this either. Why the hell is he saying that? So weird.
 
But then surely they'd clarify or at least find a form of words to do so. At the moment, Russia are claiming that the UK did it.
It's been 12 hours, there will be a lot more information coming in the next few days.
 
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I don't believe a word Putin or Russia says, but I also don't think they are dumb enough to launch a rocket into Polish territory.

They aren't dumb enough to attack a Nato country, if they are then I'm going to start digging a hole tomorrow and making my bunker.
 
I don't believe a word Putin or Russia says, but I also don't think they are dumb enough to launch a rocket into Polish territory.

They aren't dumb enough to attack a Nato country, if they are then I'm going to start digging a hole tomorrow and making my bunker.
Not intentionally, I agree. Just like how they probably did not intend to shoot down MH17 over Ukraine.
 
Strange. You’d rather article 5 and WW3?
Sometimes a wild fire has to just be left to run its course, especially if you know intervention will only make it spread further to areas it would not have otherwise reached and cost million more lives.
So leaving Nazi Germany to "just run it's course" was the thing you think should have been done 80 years ago?
 
What a crock of sit this post is.

I know you don't agree with the poster, neither do I, but take a breath.

If the UK hadn't put troops in Ukraine since 2015 training their men and if we were not training tens of thousands of Ukrainians in the UK to go and fight for their homeland then just the amount of kit we have given and the fact that Russia pays special attention to insulting us at every chance would suggest we are not isolating ourselves from the security problems of Europe. We were there early and with actual help rather than warm words.
Huh? Where did I say otherwise…? UK is one of the main reasons Ukraine still exists but it’s because your government acts completely different than the poster I replied to suggested you should act. You should read the post I replied to instead of making a shite post yourself.
 
So Medveded is saying by waging a hybrid war against Russia the West is coming closer to world war. Poor Russia they have been pressured into driving into Ukraine, occupying 3rd of their territory, killing, burning, destroying, pillaging, bombarding the hell out of them by the evil West.
Dont make them bombard Ukraine ffs, do you hear!! They didn't want to do it but they had to and instead of letting them do their thing there West is helping Ukraine thus coming closer to world war.
 
Unusual quotes from Biden and Polish PM: If the missile is 'unlikely' to have been fired from Russian territory, are they implying a Ukraine false flag? Surely it'd be easier to say it wasn't aimed at Poland, or whatever, or are they arguing a technicality along the lines of not from Russian territory doesn't mean not fired by Russians?

I'd just take it at face value. They don't know enough yet to confirm anything, investigations going on. His statement doesn't rule out Belarus or Black Sea and if the trajectory suggests it's not come from direction of Russia then that would also rule much of Ukraine to the east of where it landed, however not Lviv where the majority of Ukrainian AD in the area will be located. This village is pretty much straight north of Lviv.
 
I'd just take it at face value. They don't know enough yet to confirm anything, investigations going on. His statement doesn't rule out Belarus or Black Sea and if the trajectory suggests it's not come from direction of Russia then that would also rule much of Ukraine to the east of where it landed, however not Lviv where the majority of Ukrainian AD in the area will be located. This village is pretty much straight north of Lviv.
A lot of talk now that it was an air defence missile fired by Ukrainians.


 
In a way it doesn’t matter which country launched the missile. There’s only one country to blame for the air in Eastern European being full of missiles.

Yeah, nobody here is going to blame Ukraine for that even if it turns out it was their missile. Except for our right wing nutjobs, who are already doing that and are predicting Ukraine (with NATO support) to attack Poland to reclaim Rzeszow and rest of Eastern territories (yes, we actually have a members of political party that is a part of Polish parliament saying that).
 
Yeah, nobody here is going to blame Ukraine for that even if it turns out it was their missile. Except for our right wing nutjobs, who are already doing that and are predicting Ukraine (with NATO support) to attack Poland to reclaim Rzeszow and rest of Eastern territories (yes, we actually have a members of political party that is a part of Polish parliament saying that).

Must be some Russian money involved there.
 
Oh well. Looks like it is time for NATO to step up, invoke Article 5 and protect every inch of its territory by neutralising Ukraine. Russia was right!1!1!!1!11!

/sarcasm
 
They do have ties to Russia, quite clearly.

It's alarming that over the last decade Russia has managed to infiltrate and destabilize the political systems of virtually every western country with relative ease. Hopefully the current sentiment towards Russia puts an end to that.
 
I was out for drinks with 2 friends on Friday. They did my head in, basically its all USA fault, they funded Zelensky and all political parties in Ukraine, all of those parties or most are right wing to the core, slightly milder than Azov. USA basically made poor Russa to attack cause they want to provocate Russia. I tried to say that its not like Russia is a light of civilisation, a good guy who is protecting the world against evil Americans and the West and they were like yeah yeah its bad they attacked Ukraine. But but if you bomb Donetsk and Luhansk for 8 years, ban Russian language of course Russia will intervene. I said yeah I bet separatists in those separatist republics just sat on their asses and never fired a bullet towards Ukraine teritory.
Anyway they closed that even Trump didnt start any wars but Biden did. Yeah actually Biden started war in Ukraine.

My head hurts just by writing this.
 
I was out for drinks with 2 friends on Friday. They did my head in, basically its all USA fault, they funded Zelensky and all political parties in Ukraine, all of those parties or most are right wing to the core, slightly milder than Azov. USA basically made poor Russa to attack cause they want to provocate Russia. I tried to say that its not like Russia is a light of civilisation, a good guy who is protecting the world against evil Americans and the West and they were like yeah yeah its bad they attacked Ukraine. But but if you bomb Donetsk and Luhansk for 8 years, ban Russian language of course Russia will intervene. I said yeah I bet separatists in those separatist republics just sat on their asses and never fired a bullet towards Ukraine teritory.
Anyway they closed that even Trump didnt start any wars but Biden did. Yeah actually Biden started war in Ukraine.

My head hurts just by writing this.

Sadly most people seem to have a few friends that have bought into Russian propaganda hook line and sinker. I know I do, I had a conversation with a friend a few months ago that was eerily similar to yours. Even down to the Donbas shelling, when I asked him what started the situation in the Donbas he didn't actually know.
 
Most likely case, and hoping it is, is that the two missiles were from Ukraine trying to protect their country and citizens from Russian missiles. Russia is still the agressor, as others have pointed out, and this must be stopped.

But I have that tiny voice in the back of my mind that wonders if the Western leaders are saying it's Ukraine's missiles whilst knowing they are Russian, only to avoid NATO getting directly involved under NATO articles.
 
It's alarming that over the last decade Russia has managed to infiltrate and destabilize the political systems of virtually every western country with relative ease. Hopefully the current sentiment towards Russia puts an end to that.

Not much defence against it. Territories and institutions around the world are set up so wealth can be transferred between individuals in complete secrecy and relative ease.
 
Sadly most people seem to have a few friends that have bought into Russian propaganda hook line and sinker. I know I do, I had a conversation with a friend a few months ago that was eerily similar to yours. Even down to the Donbas shelling, when I asked him what started the situation in the Donbas he didn't actually know.
I had one who was on about how Mariupol wasnt evacuated and was full of Azov in the sense its Ukrainian fault it was bombed to the ground. Mental.