JGP and Burns have been very poor.
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fecking hell, go back home billy
Ah that's a disaster
Woo, we won basically by default...
OMG, that was pathetic.
Farrell looks like he’s gonna lose it with Burns
That was an absolute criminal kick.
That was an absolute criminal kick.
The 2 biggest "wtf" selections as well
How could JGP and Burns make such stupid decisions?? They only came on a few mins ago, they can't blame fatigue. Awful, awful stuff.
JGP in particular has had nothing but poor games for Ireland.
JGP in particular has had nothing but poor games for Ireland.
The ball never went over the sideline even after it crossed the try line
Gareth Davies is the luckiest man in Wales.
That's why it was particularly funny, it was nowhere near the corner flag.
That's a different finish with Carty and Cooney as the back ups. Played some nice stuff at times, definitely at higher speed than recently but he's hamstrung himself with these stupid selection issues.
All the way into the stands behind the tryline. Woeful.
That kick at the end.... 'kin ell
Oh Ireland
What a fecking mistake at the end there. Wow
Wales were woeful. Not sure what that coaching team are trying to do, but they're an absolute mess. Just nothing there.
What a fecking mistake at the end there. Wow
Wales were woeful. Not sure what that coaching team are trying to do, but they're an absolute mess. Just nothing there.
They'd have been perfect for this. Heads-up, smart rugby.
He had Carty, JJ, Byrne to pick from at the out half and picked that langer, cooney and Casey at scrum half to pick from
I'm gutted as much for the fact we have more matches with Farrell in charge as for the result. You could claim the good stuff today (superb forward play) could be claimed by Paul O'Connell, the bad stuff (choosing the absolute wrong players to see out the game) are on him.
#irishrugbygoesintomeltdown
Ireland will take a lot from that performance though. Dissappointed not to win when we played the whole game with 14 men is a massive improvement on the last run of games.
I can see Ireland beat France comfortably next week. I don't think that they are a good match up, those long phases don't mix well with french indiscipline.
Ireland are a poor side and Wales are worse, the red card (which was right) was decisive in a close game. The last couple of minutes especially were a mess by both sides.
Yeah, I don't think we're particularly good either. It was a bit like yesterday's game with Wales in the England role. Ireland would have scraped the win but for the red card.
Don't know about that. Sexton got pretty shook up there and Farrell prefers poor backup options at 10.
Without the red card Ireland win that comfortably. We'll see where there at once they play a few games with 15.
He had Carty, JJ, Byrne to pick from at the out half and picked that langer, cooney and Casey at scrum half to pick from
If Sexton's out for next week they may to call someone up. I don't want to see Burns against the French.
As for Wales, barely a reprieve for Pivac. He'll get tonnes of stick for that.
Yeah one of the commentators was saying the win would ease the pressure. I don't see how when they squeaked past 14 men and were the inferior team for the most part.
I see the total opposite. Ireland are full on in transition and France are flying
My Final table looks like
France
Eng
Scot
Wales
Ireland
Italy
Ireland will beat Italy - after that I really dont see any other wins this year
That might be a bit pessimistic given that Scotland will probably Scotland by the end of the tournament, but I'm sticking with my prediction that this season will be an utter waste for Ireland. Crap results, no discernable direction, and no lessons learned. We'll be carried by a few players while carrying others who won't even make the next world cup.
Edit: And probably drive a few quality players like Cooney abroad by ignoring them.
The problem I have with Ireland right now is that the team is heading in no discernible direction. Is this team good enough to win the 6N right now. In all likelihood, no, they're not good enough. Then, was the team today selected with RWC 2023 in mind? No, of course it wasn't. Then you look at the age profiles of the players and it gets even worse. Johnny Sexton will be 36 in July; are Ireland thinking that he will be #10 in France in Autumn 2023? Conor Murray is 32 in April and has been in poor form for a while yet continues to start. CJ Stander is 31 in April, Peter O'Mahony is 32 in September, and both Cian Healy and Keith Earls are 34 in October. I can understand that in some positions there is a lack of depth but across the whole team? Ireland may not have a golden generation coming through like Ntamack and Dupont in France but there's hardly a dearth of talent in the country all the same. Yet Farrell seems entirely focused on the present at the expense of the future despite the fact that this team is likely too old to be a genuine 6N contender.
Again, Ireland have never made it beyond the QFs of the RWC; why does there not seem to be much interest in addressing this? I feel that too much emphasis is put on the 6N in Ireland in general at the expense of the RWC. Take England under Eddie Jones for example. Get well-beaten by Ireland at Twickenham in 2018 yet beat the All Blacks in 2019 and reach the RWC Final. Ireland on the other hand lose to Japan and get thwacked by New Zealand. I understand that the 6N is still important and Grand Slams are hard come by, but surely we have over-emphasised the importance of the 6N at the expense of making progress at the RWC.
Again, Ireland have never made it beyond the QFs of the RWC; why does there not seem to be much interest in addressing this? I feel that too much emphasis is put on the 6N in Ireland in general at the expense of the RWC. Take England under Eddie Jones for example. Get well-beaten by Ireland at Twickenham in 2018 yet beat the All Blacks in 2019 and reach the RWC Final. Ireland on the other hand lose to Japan and get thwacked by New Zealand. I understand that the 6N is still important and Grand Slams are hard come by, but surely we have over-emphasised the importance of the 6N at the expense of making progress at the RWC.
Really good post.
Because Farrell is focused on having a job when 2023 arrives. That's actually one of the best things done by the FFR when they hired Galthié, they gave him a very ambitious but also relatively distant objective, it wasn't in his interest to waste time on older players and that's why they have been almost entirely phased out, most of them are still doing really well in Top 14 and H Cup but they are not part of the project or the key to Galthié keeping his job.
I haven't followed Farrell's nomination as closely as most of you probably did but to me it felt like his job was to rejunvenate Schmidt's team more than revolutionize the nattional team?
It’s time to move on from the likes of CJ and POM, we are always carrying old heads to world cups when it’s the young honed guns that tend to win it lately or do well, the reason earls hasn’t been moved on is the fecking about with Larmours position, he’s a winger end of story they should let him play there he’s dangerous there at fullback he’s wasted.
Sexton should have been phased out after the last WC and the next up approach should have been taken, same with Murray, it should have been cooney and Casey as his back up out there today, there is plenty of youth coming through, with a lot of the old heads being missing the provincial teams will be playing them, Coombs got his break in the November internationals to have a constant starting job.
As far as I can remember, Farrell was appointed prior to the Six Nations in 2019 so he was mainly a continuity candidate; given how the 2019 6N and the RWC went for Ireland, that decision doesn't look too great in hindsight as the team probably needed a fresh approach as opposed to more of the same.
I understand that Farrell is coaching for his job but that being said, I don't see how playing these older players is really helping him right now. Ireland have always had and will likely always have depth in the back-row so replacing O'Mahony and Stander shouldn't be too troublesome. Similarly, they could bring in Stockdale or Larmour for Earls without much of a hitch. For me, Farrell's unwillingness to make more changes has more to do with his innate conservatism than the fact that these are the best players Ireland have to offer.
Yeah, I agree on pretty much all counts here.
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You could feel Wayne Pivac's relief even on the other side of the world. He won't be naive to the fact Wales are going have to improve enormously if they're going to beat Scotland next weekend. The fear of losing to a team with 14 seemed to consume the hosts in the first half in particular.
The last kick of the match is a real pet hate of mine. The best you could have got was a lineout 5m out from the goalline. Unless Burns' aim was pinpoint, he should have been content with a 10m lineout which is still a decent platform from which to set up a possible match winning try. Ireland still played well under the circumstances but they won't be looking forward to the visit of France.
The last kick of the match is a real pet hate of mine. The best you could have got was a lineout 5m out from the goalline. Unless Burns' aim was pinpoint, he should have been content with a 10m lineout which is still a decent platform from which to set up a possible match winning try. Ireland still played well under the circumstances but they won't be looking forward to the visit of France.
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