Rugby Union 21/22/23 Discussion | RWC time!

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Suffice to say that if France win, I'll be rooting for them to win it all.
Not confident at all that we will get over the line here. It will come down to the kicking and we are coming up short on that front.
 
Traub said:
It is by the rules I think. Even though Mapimpi's injury wasn't deemed to be yellow, but that was more down to the ref than the rules.
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Yeah any head contact is a card, In this particular situation, the only way Etze could have avoided head contact is if he had decapitated himself before going into the tackle.
 
LDUred said:
You have to beat a big side or two at some point to win the World Cup. It doesn't matter whether you do it in the quarters, semis, or in the final.

At the end of the day, the final will most likely contain New Zealand, who've won it three times, and whoever out of South Africa/France who gets there will have to get past England, who've won it once and were beaten finalists in 2019. It's not like the entire competition will be devalued by this being the quarter. No one will say, 'Ah, France won it in 2023, but they only beat England in the semis, when it should have been Ireland - who've never even been in a semi before, and are serial bottlers'.

The rules are pretty clear and personally having a quarter that isn't a cake walk makes the competition more interesting, does it not?

What has sucked a good deal of excitement out of the World Cup is not the organisers but how bad Australia have been.
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France vs South Africa would be a hell of a lot more worthy a SF than either of these two teams going home, while England beat a poor Fiji team to get their place in the last four. That was obvious before a ball was kicked in this tournament and it’s frankly mental that anyone can question this today, of all days, after watching these two rugby matches.
 
It won't be upgraded, Atonio takes a step that slightly lower his position.
 
I bet Rassie is already writing his tweet about Penaud catching Etzebeth's heads early in the game.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
France vs South Africa would be a hell of a lot more worthy a SF than either of these two teams going home, while England beat a poor Fiji team to get their place in the last four. That was obvious before a ball was kicked in this tournament and it’s frankly mental that anyone can question this today, of all days, after watching these two rugby matches.
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Watch these two teams be absolutely fecked for the England game, and riddled with injuries.
 
What is the long term plan with these head on head clashes? Tactically it's impossible to stop - people duck, twist, sidestep etc., which means yellows are now inevitable in every game. Is this the purpose? I would assume the purpose of the yellow card is to try and stop players from going into certain tackles, but it just comes across as a punishment for something you can't stop.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Here’s a better idea. Have a WC with the four best teams on opposite sides of the draw. Like every other world cup in every other sport ever.
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Nah just have those four teams playing each other repeatedly.

All patting one another on the back about how good they are whilst belittling everyone else.

Sounds fun.
 
Traub said:
What is the long term plan with these head on head clashes? Tactically it's impossible to stop - people duck, twist, sidestep etc., which means yellows are now inevitable in every game. Is this the purpose? I would assume the purpose of the yellow card is to try and stop players from going into certain tackles, but it just comes across as a punishment for something you can't stop.
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They’re trying to fundamentally change the way tackles are made. For adult rugby players the muscle memory is there so you’re going to get a lot of yellow cards. I guess the hope is that the next generation will all instinctively tackle much lower.
 
Traub said:
What is the long term plan with these head on head clashes? Tactically it's impossible to stop - people duck, twist, sidestep etc., which means yellows are now inevitable in every game. Is this the purpose? I would assume the purpose of the yellow card is to try and stop players from going into certain tackles, but it just comes across as a punishment for something you can't stop.
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There is no plan, they introduced a dumb idea and are still not fixing dangerous rucks cleaning.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
They’re trying to fundamentally change the way tackles are made. For adult rugby players the muscle memory is there so you’re going to get a lot of yellow cards. I guess the hope is that the next generation will all instinctively tackle much lower.
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Which will lead to getting kneed and increasing the amoung of contacts with hips which is even worse than head to head.
 
Traub said:
What is the long term plan with these head on head clashes? Tactically it's impossible to stop - people duck, twist, sidestep etc., which means yellows are now inevitable in every game. Is this the purpose? I would assume the purpose of the yellow card is to try and stop players from going into certain tackles, but it just comes across as a punishment for something you can't stop.
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We’re already seeing them get reffed more sympathetically.

A year ago anything like this one was an auto-red, but I’ve been saying for ages that the game is so quick that a lot of time it’s completely unavoidable….players haven’t even begun the tackle and there’s a collision.

Anyway, stays a yellow
 
JPRouve said:
There is no plan, they introduced a dumb idea and are still not fixing dangerous rucks cleaning.
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This is correct. The two most dangerous areas are:
The tackler hitting a knee when tackling
The cleaner hitting the head of a jackler

The ball carrier is rarely the endangered party
 
JPRouve said:
Which will lead to getting kneed and increasing the amoung of contacts with hips which is even worse than head to head.
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I would disagree with that. Collisions which endangers two brains will cumulatively have a higher risk of CTE (which they’re trying to avoid) than collisions between a single brain and some other hard body part.

Plus the risk of head against knee/hip will always be there regardless.
 
The ref missed a second obvious knock on.
 
Pollard makes sense as you feel every point will count from now, and you can't have Libbok on those penalties.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I would disagree with that. Collisions which endangers two brains will cumulatively have a higher risk of CTE (which they’re trying to avoid) than collisions between a single brain and some other hard body part.

Plus the risk of head against knee/hip will always be there regardless.
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You disagree that a much more common action needs to be fixed first?
 
The changes are affecting us. We've lost all momentum, but importantly we haven't lost any points during the sin bin.
 
Kitshoff has had a shocker. We need something soon or this game will be over.
 
France making the right call. Get a try in front and it will be very tough for us.
 
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