That's my worry. If we don't get de Jong then we need someone like him.
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Will push up the price and rightly so
Wolves will want £60m for him.
If we move on from Frenkie than Neves is a strong pass from me. Don't rate him too highly.
Worrying that literally no decent sized club is looking at Neves, that's got to be a sign that he's not the level we require to get back where we belong.
Rather Tielemans than this bloke for half the price, but that’s another topic for it though
They’re completely different types of player. And we need the Neves type a lot more.
Ruben Neves? Never.
I'd take him for 20m. But it'll be silly money and simply just don't really get it with him. Just feel like people are desperate and pretending to be happy with us signing him.
I don't want Neves, he'll reinforce the Portuguese/Brazilian gang in the dressing room.
I wouldn't sign any Englishman this summer either.
I wouldn't sign any Englishman this summer either.
To the Neves thread!
First reply in August
Gonna spend more than we were going to pay for De Jong on a Wolves midfielder who thy tried to sell for £35m a year ago
Woot woot
First reply in August
Gonna spend more than we were going to pay for De Jong on a Wolves midfielder who thy tried to sell for £35m a year ago
Woot woot
Always thought he was way better than FdJ.
I like Neves. When they got a proper manager last season he was in fantastic form and went toe to toe with the best midfields in the league.
I’d argue he’s consistently put in better performances than de Jong has over the last few seasons. It’s not as much of a downgrade as many fans will think.
I’d argue he’s consistently put in better performances than de Jong has over the last few seasons. It’s not as much of a downgrade as many fans will think.
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I do like Neves.
But he's enough of a downgrade on FDJ that I can understand why we'd see that saga to an end before moving on to this as a second choice, if it indeed turns out to be that.
They're also quite different players.
But he's enough of a downgrade on FDJ that I can understand why we'd see that saga to an end before moving on to this as a second choice, if it indeed turns out to be that.
They're also quite different players.
Holy thread resurrection Batman.
So when are the links incoming.?
So when are the links incoming.?
Completely different types of players. He’s more of a sit and pass the ball around type, FDJ is get the ball and carry it forward.who will win?
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You just know Wolves will rip us a new one when we pay 80m pounds on August 31st.
De Jong and Neves are different. However, if you think about the role in the side we're recruiting for: The connecting midfielder, which Fred is currently doing. It's more important to be able to receive the ball from the defence and start play than anything else. Neves can do that.
De Jong has more strings to his bow than Neves. However, we don't really need the getting forward and dribbling bits. We just need a significant upgrade on Fred in the deep laying playmaker role. Neves would definitely be that. Plus he can strike a thunderb-d of a shot when he does get upfield.
When you put it that way, Neves could be a boon. Fred, while nowhere near FDJ's ability, can already do a job of moving the ball forward, but neither he nor McTom can sit and pass the ball effectively. We completely lack that type of player. (Edit - @#07 said it up better).
60m max though.
Yeah.
I like Neves. My issue with this is Wolves will smell our desperation, especially as the window closing gets closer. They will hold out for an ungodly fee.
Arguably it's worth it to our season to pay it. Cos it could be the difference between Champions League and not.
However, it seems poor value when we've sat back and watched other deep midfielders move while waiting on DeJong.
Leeds have signed Tyler Adams and Marc Roca for a combined £30m. Neves will probably go for double that, minimum. Plus he won't have preseason with us and have time to get integrated into the system.
Poor planning, again, from Man Utd.
If Wolves are going to try and scam us I'd rather we just go with what we have and try to develop players rather than overpaying for him, or get someone else. For £40m though I'd easily take him.
Haven't watched that much of Wolves for the past few seasons, but I love him in Football Manager and always buy him to Man Utd so that must mean he'd fit right in in real life too.
He's similar to Carrick isn't he, but with a great long shot. Seems to be the type of player we would benefit a lot from getting.
Haven't watched that much of Wolves for the past few seasons, but I love him in Football Manager and always buy him to Man Utd so that must mean he'd fit right in in real life too.
He's similar to Carrick isn't he, but with a great long shot. Seems to be the type of player we would benefit a lot from getting.
Personally I think Neves would be a big hit here. He’s pretty underrated and would fit our side well I reckon.
I have said it before, neves problem is not his passing ability its his mobility, when the ball gets turned over from Fred or him, there is no way either of them are getting it back, it will completely expose our back line. Going to cost us 60m , and to avoid getting murdered will need to spend more money on another midfielder. Just watched highlights of him again, and he is so slow, I have never seen a PL player have no acceleration, he actually seems to slow down over 5 yards.
https://www.skysports.com/amp/footb...role-and-what-he-can-do-to-take-the-next-step
For those who want to jump off a cliff, read this.
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He'd be another expensive flop.
I would be happy with Neves, he will slot right into deepest midfielder role, and as I've argued over the last few weeks, we need that kind of player regardless if FDJ is joining or not. We can't have Fred in that DM role.
I don't fully get the obsession with de Jong, player who is being pushed out of Barca and only now Chelsea seems interested. That said, I've never seen much of him, the thing that excited me about Frankie is how badly ETH wants him.
The price Wolves will demand will be way too much but we only have ourselves to blame.
I don't fully get the obsession with de Jong, player who is being pushed out of Barca and only now Chelsea seems interested. That said, I've never seen much of him, the thing that excited me about Frankie is how badly ETH wants him.
The price Wolves will demand will be way too much but we only have ourselves to blame.
I don't think he's not a good player, he's just another Schneiderlinn. He looks good in a team fighting for a Europa spot but clearly isn't good enough for a team trying to compete at the top. Hope I'm wrong because if FDJ fails (quite likely) I do reckon the club will spunk big money on him instead given they are probably the most inept scouting department in the world.
If we can get him and Tielemens for under 100m, it's actually a pretty decent move considering the hole left by Pogba and Matic leaving.
Second best midfielder at Wolves, not a great fan, never really fulfilled the potential he had as a teenager. I’m hoping there are other options out there.
A lateral move. Please, no...
We don't need a midfielder better than Fred and McTominay. We need a midfielder that's as good as the competition. Or close to. Neves isn't that. Unless we are looking to compete for the Conference League?
He has next to nothing about him except the exorbitant fee. In ability, overall average. And slow. Between him and Maguire, and De Gea's sweeping, we will get wrecked. And his profile is nothing like De Jong. I get that De Jong's skillset is unique, but even then Neves isn't even close to that.
We don't need a midfielder better than Fred and McTominay. We need a midfielder that's as good as the competition. Or close to. Neves isn't that. Unless we are looking to compete for the Conference League?
He has next to nothing about him except the exorbitant fee. In ability, overall average. And slow. Between him and Maguire, and De Gea's sweeping, we will get wrecked. And his profile is nothing like De Jong. I get that De Jong's skillset is unique, but even then Neves isn't even close to that.
Yep, he's too slow on the turn which is the same problem with Maguire. I'm always reminded of how easily Amad kept taking the ball off him when we played them last year.
Our football is gonna look clumsy with him sitting in front of the back line and he's also too used to playing in a more defensive setup at Wolves.
Better than Mctominay, but you’d still need to partner him with Fred.
NevFred doesn’t have the same ring to it, and for that reason, I’m out.
NevFred doesn’t have the same ring to it, and for that reason, I’m out.
Tielemans has already agreed terms with Arsenal I think. Personally, signing a central midfielder who has only played 30 times for Portugal since 2015 and a club that finished 10th in the PL last year isn't really what we should be looking for. I don't think he'll be enough of an upgrade to what we currently have. We need a big upgrade and no point signing him as he hasn't set the PL alight to be honest
He's better on the ball than Schneiderlin but that doesn't mean much. He'll be under a shit load more pressure on the ball here though and I don't think he has the tools to deal with it
Technically good, Great passing Range, Decent screener, Physical.
Just because he's not De Jong doesn't mean he wouldn't massively improve us. He's no less mobile than Michael Carrick was for example, Or Jorginho.
Just because he's not De Jong doesn't mean he wouldn't massively improve us. He's no less mobile than Michael Carrick was for example, Or Jorginho.
The idea is to only get players who will not play much in WC actually...
IMO he would be a great upgrade and would give us many more options how to line up, but in 1-2 years we might be looking for another upgrade on him if we challenge for trophies again.
Still, 2 seasons with Neves is OK.
Very good point.
The problem is that if we bring Neves in we will be playing him for the next 5 years not 2. We can't shift our current deadwood.
Better to see if we can get players that are better, I would chase down Ruiz if we cant get de Jong, frankly I would go for Anguissa before Neves.
FDJ will play the DM role if he joins
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