He’s not Carrick, let’s not pretend he’s anywhere near as good.People were saying the same dumb shit about Carrick when he came in: he's nothing special, he's weak defensively, he's not fast etc.
There’s a slight irony here, I was a big Carrick fan much in the same way I’m guessing you were but there were a lot of people who were very dismissive of him when we signed him much in the same way you are with Neves, in fact Carrick was criminally under rated his whole career to be fair. Im not convinced Neves will ever be Carrick's level granted but I think the Carrick comparison is a fairer assessment of Neves career so far than Shelvey for instanceThis is utter rubbish to me. You could see what you were buying when you were buying Carrick from Tottenham.
Neves seems like someone people assume to be a deep lying playmaker just because he can occasionally make a good long pass - a Jonjo shelvey more than a Carrick to me.
He’s not Carrick, let’s not pretend he’s anywhere near as good.
You just have to watch him be outshone by an ageing Moutinho every week for Wolves.
He’s been hugely overrated by some, underrated by others. He’s decent and would be a good squad option, like Donny was supposed to be (and may still be.)
This is utter rubbish to me. You could see what you were buying when you were buying Carrick from Tottenham.
Neves seems like someone people assume to be a deep lying playmaker just because he can occasionally make a good long pass - a Jonjo shelvey more than a Carrick to me.
If Pogba stays, we should go for rice as he would bring in better defence stability and allow pogba to take over the creativity side of things. If Pogba leaves, we need to sign Neves as now we don't have anyone who could pass well from deep.Out of interest... would people prefer Neves for 35m or Rice for 60m?
Because wolves have promised to sell him and need to raise money for transfers. Nothing to do with his pace.There is a reason he is only costing 35 million at just 24 years of age. Slow as a snail.
You can’t judge anyone on a game that doesn’t matter. City got beat 9-0 off Middlesbrough once. Tottenham got hammered off Newcastle 4-0 also. Last game of the season is a nothing gameHe was completely non-existent in our final PL game at the Molineux and he was up against midfield 3 of Beek--Mata--Matic.
Yeah on the bolded, that may have an effect on how he plays for us. That said don't Wolves get majority of possession against the bottom half of the table?Wolves and their current tactics aren’t a great fit for him in fairness, that’s why I think he could be shrewd for United.
Here he’d be playing in a side that boss possession in 90% of our games and he’d be simply asked to sit, be positionally aware, and move the ball, his best attributes.
He still has a good amount of learning to do in his role but he also has time on his side but his form this season has been underwhelming, no question.
24 years old, DM/CM, premier league proven.
People saying he has gone stale, what do you expect? DM scoring 10 goals a season?
Hojberg (now valued at 40 million since his move from Southampton) was a coup, I'm sure this one can turn into a masterstroke too.
You’re not wrong though I’d say that Neves is better defensively whereas in the last season Tielemans has made more of an impact overall. Its difficult to assess Neves now because Wolves in general played dull, stodgy football under Nuno and were on the downturn last season.Am I wrong in thinking that his style is similar to Tielemans'?
To be fair you could have copied and pasted that to the transfer window we signed Carrick, and he turned out to be the final piece in the puzzle.Do you see Neves turning us onto P.L Winners ? That's the players we need now.
I agree but his form this season has been underwhelming and that showing could be argued to illustrate his campaign as a whole.You can’t judge anyone on a game that doesn’t matter. City got beat 9-0 off Middlesbrough once. Tottenham got hammered off Newcastle 4-0 also. Last game of the season is a nothing game
He was far from eye catching but he had the most touches on the pitch so non-existent is pushing it.He was completely non-existent in our final PL game at the Molineux and he was up against midfield 3 of Beek--Mata--Matic.
Our attackers are always getting the ball though. Thsts not a problem for us.He was far from eye catching but he had the most touches on the pitch so non-existent is pushing it.
In many games we just need a player in midfield to keep us ticking over and to keep giving to ball to our attackers. It's basics but our current options seem to struggle. Whether Neves is that player I don't know.
Guys this is a a very good opportunity to sign a pretty good deep lying playmaker. This is also very good opportunity for a much needed midfield overhaul.
Neves is not a solo DM, BUT, adding Camavinga next to him would create a crafty partnership who would compliment one another imo. 50m - 60m for the pair would be absolutely fine business.
Yeah on the bolded, that may have an effect on how he plays for us. That said don't Wolves get majority of possession against the bottom half of the table?
Hasn’t Saul gone Barcelona or did I make that up?I'd go one further and say that if we sell Pogba we should be trying to buy the two of them and also Saul and do a complete overhaul. Squad depth really matters. The ideal situation would be the two of them and Grealish but that would probably cost a bit too much.
Hasn’t Saul gone Barcelona or did I make that up?
Yeah. Tielemans is a box to box midfielder, Neves sits deeper. Neves does far more defensively; blocks, tackles, interceptions, whilst Tielemans does far more offensively.Am I wrong in thinking that his style is similar to Tielemans'?
Name / Tackles / Interceptions / Blocks / Passes / Pass Accuracy / Key passes (all stats = per game)
Neves / 2.3 / 1.7 / 0.3 / 54.1 / 84.9% / 0.9
McTominay / 1.6 / 1.0 / 0.3 / 42.0 / 86.0% / 0.5
Fred / 2.7 / 1.5 / 0.3 / 60.2 / 87.7% / 0.8
Rodri / 1.8 / 1.0 / 0.2 / 75.1 / 91.6% / 0.8
Jorginho / 2.0 / 1.8 / 0.2 / 66.3 / 90.1% / 0.8
I know that stats don't tell the complete story, but for someone playing in a struggling side and having a poor season, Neves doesn't compare too badly. It's quite feasible to argue that he'd improve offensively in a better side.
Good points.Wolves and their current tactics aren’t a great fit for him in fairness, that’s why I think he could be shrewd for United.
Here he’d be playing in a side that boss possession in 90% of our games and he’d be simply asked to sit, be positionally aware, and move the ball, his best attributes.
Do you see Neves turning us onto P.L Winners ? That's the players we need now.
Playing with one less defensive midfielder is the key reason to go for a disciplined holding player like Neves though. It releases another body further up the pitch so we might actually be willing to cross the ball sometimes. It's just about finding a way to get more bodies forward against a low block where we really struggle to break teams down.Our attackers are always getting the ball though. Thsts not a problem for us.
Agreed with this. Of we could sell Pogba and replace him with Camavinga and Neves we will come out a more balanced side with greater depth. That would be a great piece of business from the club.Guys this is a a very good opportunity to sign a pretty good deep lying playmaker. This is also very good opportunity for a much needed midfield overhaul.
Neves is not a solo DM, BUT, adding Camavinga next to him would create a crafty partnership who would compliment one another imo. 50m - 60m for the pair would be absolutely fine business.
Good job you lads weren’t scouting Carrick…
