Roy Keane on The Tommy Tiernan Show
Roy Keane
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Colour me surprised that a man who got sacked for saying things about the club he shouldn’t have said on TV is in the corner of another man who got sacked for saying things about the club he shouldn’t have said on TV.
I don't remember seeing Roy Keane on the TV saying things about the club that he shouldn't have said?
Please enlighten everyone.
He had an interview on MUTV and if I remember correctly he went in on the club and it's lack of ambition in bringing in big players etc. But it was so long ago i can't remember the specifics. I think United buried it as well and it's near impossible to get it online now
He slated his teammates, it was nothing to do with ambition. He slagged off Ferdinand, Fletcher, Van De Sar and a number of the younger players at the time. Basically said they weren’t good enough and Ferdinand thought he was better than he was.
It was never broadcast so was never on TV, that's your first correction.
Based on quotes from Roy and other people who seen the video he didn't say anything he shouldn't have (they got beat 4-1 by Middlesboroguh), and definitely didn't say the garage story you have just made up.
Roy Keane's explosive MUTV rant: Read the full outburst on the 10th anniversary - Mirror Online
Revisiting Every Word Roy Keane Said in His Infamous MUTV Rant in 2005 That Led to His Dismissal From The Club (90min.com)
Individuals who have been shown the video also said their was nothing wrong with it, including players he talked about.
Wayne Rooney defends Roy Keane’s infamous 2005 MUTV rant at Man Utd stars after Middlesbrough defeat - ‘Nothing wrong with it’ (talksport.com)
Darren Fletcher reveals the truth about infamous Roy Keane Manchester United video - Manchester Evening News
None of the players had an issue with Roy Keane's MUTV interview - Rio Ferdinand - Independent.ie
My recollections are from seeing snippets of it and thinking there was nothing untoward about it,” says Joe Evans, one of the MUTV interviewers and commentators from the time. “There was nothing you wouldn’t expect. He wasn’t vindictive, he wasn’t vitriolic. He was honest — but what else did you expect? There was never a point when I thought, ‘Whoa, he said what?’. It was just Roy Keane speaking from the heart.
Equally, several of Keane’s ex-colleagues have stated publicly that the programme wasn’t as shocking as you might think. Ferdinand is one, Neville another. Rooney, too.
“We watched the tape and, as Roy would claim, parts of it had been blown out of all proportion,” said Neville in his autobiography. “And, as the manager would argue, some of it wasn’t exactly the message you wanted to be broadcast on MUTV at a time when the team was struggling. Roy had gone for it but, in his eyes, only in the way that he always speaks his mind.”
Evans, who was popular with the players and remained at MUTV for another four years, can also remember the mood behind the scenes. “The general feeling was that he (Keane) was treated badly. I’ve reflected on this for years and I wonder sometimes whether it was used, or manipulated, to get him out.
Roy Keane, Sir Alex Ferguson and that ‘dynamite’ MUTV interview - The Athletic
That whole thing was blown out of all proportion just to get him out. Fergie knew his time was up, he just needed something to use as a catalyst for his departure. There was a lot of little things leading up to it, Keane felt he was being marginalised within the group, being put in out of the way places in training games etc. That interview on MUTV gave Fergie the excuse he was looking for and he took it with both hands. Keane's grudge is because he felt there were underhand tactics behind it all and they weren't being straight up and honest with him.
Personally, I think Fergie knew the team was heading in a different direction, he knew Keane wasn't compatible with it anynore, didn't want him round as a player and certainly didn't want him around in a coaching capacity. So he just did it in a way that meant he'd never have to deal with Keane again.
Funny how time changes the story. It's not something I thought about in well over a decade
That's a myth.
He effectively said that everyone was a bit shit (the kids were shit, the experienced ones were also shit) and claimed that the club were awarding shit performances.
He commented specifically on certain players (Rio, Fletcher, VDS, Richardson, O' Shea).
He was pissed off and said things he never should have said in public.
Most of his comments were about the match, though (like his comments about VDS - it was match specific).
But the rant gave Fergie the opportunity/excuse he needed to get rid of Keane.
Was Fergie right to get rid of him?
Of course he was.
Will Keane ever recognize this?
Of course he will not.
Pretty much spot on. Both about him not being suitable for the newer generation of players and his ability to continue playing. Don’t forget he had to retire just over 6 months later on doctors advice.
Fergie knew he didn’t need to keep him round, he had the likes of Neville, Giggs, Scholes for the dressing room.
Not exactly. Without saying to much, he wasn't happy with some of players performances. It was nothing shocking.
From that, it is all about politics.
Keane's time was up, injuries had taken their toll on him. But considering all he had done for the club, don't hide behind an interview as a stick to beat him, speak to him like a man and tell him to his face, he still wouldn't have been happy but in time would have realised it was the right call, and it was. I hate the way this was handled. Fergie did something similiar with Stam as well. The fact the interview Keane give is impossible to find probably illustrates it wasn't as bad as it was made out to be. Sad to see 2 legends still at loggerheads with each other.
Just on that infamous interview, it was pretty silly of MUTV to get Roy Keane to analyse a game where Manchester United had just been smashed. Even on a club propaganda channel, you know he's not the type to say something like ''Rio could have defended that better'' or ''Edwin would be disappointed to let a goal in like at his near post like that''.
I always got the impression he was starting to become a pain in the arse behind the scenes and Fergie wanted to make way for fresh legs. His MUTV rant was the last straw and a convenient excuse to get rid. It's a shame how it ended and understandable if he's a tad bitter about it, but we know how ruthless Fergie was when he'd had enough.
Why then did Fergie not just tell him the truth and put him on the transfer list. If its true that Fergie underhandedly managed him out with petty decisions against his best ever captain then he goes down in my estimation.
Why then did Keane not realize that his time was up and take it easy? These are existential questions that can't be answered.
Yeah, he even admitted as much not long after. I think Keane's grudge comes from him feeling his exit was engineered from within and that just they weren't straight with him. I'm sure if they were upfront and honest he might have viewed the whole situation differently.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...e-to-rebuild-united-says-ferguson-516396.html
The start of the Keane incident was the summer tour bust up with Queiroz and the fact that he felt the club weren't moving in the right direction. He was proven wrong but at the time the majority of fans were on his side, especially when we got knocked out of the CL group stage for the first time in a decade.
Ultimately it was the right call by Fergie but i also think people forget he did have a very good season in 04-05 (a huge improvement over 03-04).
Ultimately it was the right call by Fergie but i also think people forget he did have a very good season in 04-05 (a huge improvement over 03-04).
Funny how he can't seem to separate his own exit with Ronaldo's. Different times, different managers, totally different circumstances. I don't believe Keane's interview with MUTV was a self preservation attempt by a narcissist like Ronaldo's with Piers Morgan was.
For the record, I believe Fergie did feck Keane over. Like some have mentioned, the interview was used as an excuse to get rid a declining player. When Eric Cantona retired, I recall Ferguson himself saying how Eric had made things "easier for him", implying that Cantona walking away when he did saved Ferguson the drama and hassle of discarding a player that had once been huge for the club but was now on the wane. Keane, like Cantona (though in a totally different way) had made things easier for Ferguson.
For the record, I believe Fergie did feck Keane over. Like some have mentioned, the interview was used as an excuse to get rid a declining player. When Eric Cantona retired, I recall Ferguson himself saying how Eric had made things "easier for him", implying that Cantona walking away when he did saved Ferguson the drama and hassle of discarding a player that had once been huge for the club but was now on the wane. Keane, like Cantona (though in a totally different way) had made things easier for Ferguson.
Had Fergie just released him at the end of the year, fans might have been completely up in arms about it not realising what was happening in the dressing room, and also remember the team wasn’t doing well at the time. To lose a legend out of choice might have seemed crazy.
It also allowed him to enact total power once again, which he may have been looking to do seen as it was a young impressionable squad.
Maybe Fergie regretted not letting him see out the final months, given how quickly he retired. But that’s easy to say in hindsight.
The MUTV interview wasn't the final straw.
It was the argument about it, in front of all the other players, that was the final nail.
You don't speak to Fergie like he apparently did, especially when you're near the end of your use. Only one outcome.
It was the argument about it, in front of all the other players, that was the final nail.
You don't speak to Fergie like he apparently did, especially when you're near the end of your use. Only one outcome.
Yup, I absolutely adore Keane to this day - but Ferguson was right. He usually was.
It wasn't an interview as such.
This was a regular feature on MUTV back then. A player would sit down with the presenter and look back at the last game. Go through the highlights. A weekly show if I remember correctly.
Was a brillant thing really. So much more access to the players back then.
Suppose we'll never know but he deserved the truth even behind the scenes.
It's a shame they don't speak
I think that's where Fergie missed a trick. If he had of said to Roy, thanks, you've been a great servant but no longer part of my plans . That would have had shown who had the power, using an interview he give as the reason for terminating his contract was a bit of a kop out in my opinion. Hindsight proves Fergie was right, as Keane hardly played for Celtic, but the way Fergie went about it never sat right with me.
Nor me. And same with Stam
Interview wasn't on TV it was never broadcast and their is nothing in the transcript that he should't have said.
As I said please englighten everyone.
Underhanded or not, Fergie did what he felt was best for the club as a whole (at that point) and posterity will adjudge that he was 100% right.
Keane on the other hand is still bitter twat about it decades later and that bitterness continues to fuel his opinions about the club to the point where he can't even be taken seriously anymore. One of them has come out far better from that incident, and it's not the guy looking like a retired 80s pornstar
Keane on the other hand is still bitter twat about it decades later and that bitterness continues to fuel his opinions about the club to the point where he can't even be taken seriously anymore. One of them has come out far better from that incident, and it's not the guy looking like a retired 80s pornstar
Fergie is still bitter about it as well, I think the one of the things that made them successful was their stubborness, is now a hinderance to why they don't bury the hatchet now. Fergie didn't even name him, in his world class players who played for him throughout his managerial career. I think everyone is in agreement that Fergie was right to get rid, but do it properly and don't hide behind an interview he was very quick to not be made accessible to the public. Both were greats in their own right, but Fergie made mistakes, the Stam one was another and he had to backtrack on that one in later years because Stam went on excelled post Utd.
Keane's a "bitter twat" (don't agree with that considering he is our most successful captain) because Ferguson trashed his managerial career in his autobiography as well as being in the wrong on how he got rid of him.
Keane went back to Carrington after he left and apologised (and said he doesn't know why he did as he wasn't in the wrong).
Keane accomplished more as a manager than a majority of Ferguson's ex players, yet Ferguson didn't trash them.
Between Keane leaving in 2005 and Ferguson's 2013 book their wasn't as much animosity as their is in recent years.
For the record Ferguson's autobiography was released in 2013 and Keane's most recent one the the year after since then Keane has been bitter since and he has every right to be.
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Keane got rid of himself. As someone noted, it wasnt the interview, it was the aftermath of the interview standing up to Fergie infront of the squad
Has he said anything positive about ETH and United yet?
Loved him as a player but never as a person.
Probably one of the few United fans who doesn’t.
Probably one of the few United fans who doesn’t.
Lovely to wheel out old episodes of RedCafe and see what people were arguing about almost 20 years ago.
I think Ronaldo’s case resonates with him because he had the same experience.
Fergie said he struggled to adjust to the end of his career.
Fergie said he struggled to adjust to the end of his career.
He tried to be funny at 5:10 but Ten Hag took it without laughing, he probably expected Ten Hag to laugh at the joke. You can see him turning a bit red with an awkward smile afterwards then tried to play it off with the old thumbs up.